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    Aug 21, 2008, 04:41 PM
    I wonder if she made him sign a prenuptial knowing that John split with his wife and family after Nam?
    Correct McCain has absolutely no knowledge of his wife's holdings due to a prenupt agreement.They would always keep their finances apart and file separate income tax returns. As to her motives ;was that the same one Terry had JF Kerry sign ? It also serves to prevent conflicts of interests of course . Cindy had 160 asset sales during 2007 so it really should come as no surprise that McCain is not sure how many investment holdings the family has.

    Really this is a non-issue and for Obama to jump on it just proves that the onion has been completely peeled about his above it all politics. Does he really want the issue to be Cindy McCain's holdings going into the hours before his convention ?
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    Aug 21, 2008, 05:01 PM
    I thought about it and decided that Obama can't be an elitist. Elitists don't knowingly have brothers living in tiny shacks in Kenya making a dollar a month. Elitists instead go to 3rd world countries and bring back children in need of medical care ;later adopting the child. Yeah... there's the ticket
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    #43

    Aug 21, 2008, 05:55 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by tomder55
    Correct McCain has absolutely no knowlege of his wife's holdings due to a prenupt agreement.They would always keep their finances apart and file separate income tax returns. As to her motives ;was that the same one Terry had JF Kerry sign ? It also serves to prevent conflicts of interests of course . Cindy had 160 asset sales during 2007 so it really should come as no suprise that McCain is not sure how many investment holdings the family has.

    Really this is a non-issue and for Obama to jump on it just proves that the onion has been completely peeled about his above it all politics. Does he really want the issue to be Cindy McCain's holdings going into the hours before his convention ?

    Sometimes the campaign advisers try to make it personal, and the candidates, perhaps, do so reluctantly (unless it's the Clinton's, of course). The Clinton's actually seem to take great joy in the nastiest negative campaigning possible. IMO Cindy questioned John's trust factor from the beginning and rightly so. I'm sure there was a "wait and see" phase in the early years of their marriage. Cindy, like Teresa Heinz Kerry, is a cautious women with tons of money. Cindy is no dummy, that's for sure. She learned from recent history and doesn't want the issue to be her wealth, or have the dreaded elitist label, that hurt Kerry's campaign.


    Quote Originally Posted by tomder55
    I thought about it and decided that Obama can't be an elitist. Elitists don't knowingly have brothers living in tiny shacks in Kenya making a dollar a month. Elitists instead go to 3rd world countries and bring back children in need of medical care ;later adopting the child. Yeah ...there's the ticket
    If John McCain is elected Americans won't have to travel to another country for future adoptions. The U.S. will be become a third world country.
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    Aug 21, 2008, 06:08 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by speechlesstx
    Does anyone really think any of the presidential candidates we've had recently are actually in touch with the average American? Seriously now, who in Washington can we point to as being "in touch?" I've had it with Democrats and all their blubbering about wealthy, elite, out of touch Republicans and I bet if you asked any in this list how many houses they owned they probably couldn't give you an answer:

    Lawmaker / 2006 Average Net Worth

    Jane Harman -D / $409,427,000
    Darrell Issa -R / $337,440,000
    John Kerry -D / $267,790,000
    Vernon Buchanan -R / $191,696,000
    Herb Kohl -D / $171,423,000
    Edward Kennedy -D / $102,823,000
    Jay Rockefeller -D / $91,713,000
    Robin Hayes -R / $82,552,100
    Dianne Feinstein -D / $79,555,700
    Frank Lautenberg -D / $79,051,100
    Rodney Frelinghuysen -R / $49,515,600
    Michael McCaul -R / $46,648,600
    Elizabeth Dole -R / $43,867,100
    Nita Lowey -D / $39,753,200
    Nancy Pelosi -D / $38,539,600
    John McCain -R / $36,431,100

    9 of the 16 wealthiest are Democrats - including number one and 7 of the top 10. I don't see how this should be a winning issue for the Dems, especially when they want to bleed us average guys to death in taxes. Obama is grasping at straws and the willing media is playing it up for him - and none of it sounds very presidential. Just petty and whiney.
    This shows an inherent problem with your election process in my opinion. Becoming president relies too heavily on how much money you have / make. Unless you have money, and bucket loads of it, in your own bank account and behind you, you have no hope. So much for democracy.

    Give me our system any day!!
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    Aug 22, 2008, 06:55 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by tomder55
    I thought about it and decided that Obama can't be an elitist. Elitists don't knowingly have brothers living in tiny shacks in Kenya making a dollar a month. Elitists instead go to 3rd world countries and bring back children in need of medical care ;later adopting the child. Yeah ...there's the ticket
    I was wondering if anyone had noticed that Barry's brother has been found. :D
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    Aug 22, 2008, 05:39 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by BABRAM


    If John McCain is elected Americans won't have to travel to another country for future adoptions. The U.S. will be become a third world country.
    That could happen anyway. We have tried to enrich people around the globe for most of my life, without noticeable success, unless you count dictators that stash their stolen aid funds in numbered accounts. What we have accomplished is to undermine our economy and burden ourselves with unreasonable taxation, a la Marx. I doubt anyone is going to do much about it, sadly.

    I am certain that Obama won't.
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    Aug 22, 2008, 06:04 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by Galveston1
    That could happen anyway. We have tried to enrich people around the globe for most of my life, without noticible success, unless you count dictators that stash their stolen aid funds in numbered accounts. What we have accomplished is to undermine our economy and burden ourselves with unreasonable taxation, a la Marx. I doubt anyone is going to do much about it, sadly.

    I am certain that Obama won't.



    Might happen? I provided information concerning the Marx view of Capitalism (a couple of times now). According to Marx, we are not escaping it's eventual failed conclusion with either the Republicans or Democrats. BTW, taxes, according to some historians, goes back to ancient Egypt.

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