[JoeT777]

Open your eyes the Bible says NOTHING about sex between a husband and a wife being wrong

I never said there was something wrong with a physical relationship between husband and wife. In fact good Catholics celebrate life with large families.

JoeT

[Wondergirl]

That's a big claim Wondergirl. Do you wish to show us how this could be?

JoeT

I didn't claim anything. Note the word "if."

Why did the Catholic Church make Mary a virgin her whole life?

[N0help4u]

I never said there was something wrong with a physical relationship between husband and wife. In fact good Catholics celebrate life with large families.

JoeT

So if she was free to have a sexual relationship with Joseph then why does the Catholics insist she was a virgin all her life? Why is it such a threat to Catholics if she had more children? Once she gave birth to Jesus her obligation was over and she was free to live a godly Christian life just as any godly Christian woman.

[Tj3]

So if she was free to have a sexual relationship with Joseph then why does the Catholics insist she was a virgin all her life? Why is it such a threat to Catholics if she had more children? Once she gave birth to Jesus her obligation was over and she was free to live a godly Christian life just as any godly Christian woman.

The whole doctrine is based on a non-canonical, apochryphal document called the Protoevangelium of James. This book is not even considered canonical by the Roman Catholic denomination.

[JoeT777]

So if she was free to have a sexual relationship with Joseph then why does the Catholics insist she was a virgin all her life? Why is it such a threat to Catholics if she had more children? Once she gave birth to Jesus her obligation was over and she was free to live a godly Christian life just as any godly Christian woman.

I thought you'd never ask. Its as much, maybe more of a threat to Protestants than Cahtolics. It's a threat to Christianity as a whole. Without a Virgin Mary, Christianity, including Protestantism, is soiled with the sin of Adam.

Well I'm glad you asked. The answer to why Catholics believe in the one true faith that holds the Mother of God ever virgin is in the following verse.
Jeremiah 31:22 How long wilt thou be dissolute in deliciousness, O wandering daughter? For the Lord hath created a new thing upon the earth: A WOMAN SHALL COMPASS A MAN.

A woman conceives without the co-operation of man. What comes to life is the Word Incarnate. The mother is said to “compass a man.” Once God conceives Mary's womb becomes the dwelling place of God; a Tabernacle, the Holy of Holies. To have had additional children would mean one of two things. More than one God came from Mary – which I think we would both agree is ridiculous. Or, that the Mary the Tabernacle of the Most High God was desecrated by Joseph and Mary – which I think you would agree is equally absurd.

You do know what a Tabernacle is don't you? - link

Thus, Mary, the Mother of God, was Ever Virgin

JoeT

[N0help4u]

virgin Mary MEANS she was a virgin BEFORE giving birth to JESUS!

YOU never said there was something wrong with a physical relationship between husband and wife. In fact good Catholics celebrate life with large families.
SO WHY do you deny Mary to celebrate life with a large family?

How can it be desecrated by Joseph and Mary when God says a physical relationship between a husband and wife is blessed and honored?

How does it mean that more than one God came from Mary whenever it would be Joseph that was the father of the others and NOT God himself?

I do believe your reasoning is very faulty. So I do not see where it is absurd for Mary to have children. I see where it is absurd for her to not have any more children.

NO threat to Protestants whatsoever one way or another!

[JoeT777]

virgin Mary MEANS she was a virgin BEFORE giving birth to JESUS!

YOU never said there was something wrong with a physical relationship between husband and wife. In fact good Catholics celebrate life with large families.
SO WHY do you deny Mary to celebrate life with a large family?

How can it be desecrated by Joseph and Mary when God says a physical relationship between a husband and wife is blessed and honored?

How does it mean that more than one God came from Mary whenever it would be Joseph that was the father of the others and NOT God himself?

I do believe your reasoning is very faulty. So I do not see where it is absurd for Mary to have children. I see where it is absurd for her to not have any more children.

NO threat to Protestants whatsoever one way or another!

Mosaic Law required that the spot on which the Tabernacle was built remain holy ground when the tents were taken down and removed. The spot was usually marked with Altar, only priests were to enter onto the spot.

So am I hearing you say that God is not Incarnate and that Mary's womb holds no significance? Truly strange from a Christian.

JoeT

[Wondergirl]

Mosaic Law required that the spot on which the Tabernacle was built remain holy ground when the tents were taken down and removed. The spot was usually marked with Altar, only priests were to enter onto the spot.

OT situation. No relation to Mary.

So am I hearing you say that God is not Incarnate and that Mary's womb holds no significance? Truly strange from a Christian.

Huh? It was a one-shot deal by the Holy Spirit to create Jesus in a virgin's womb. The rest of Mary's children were from Joseph's seed, and she was no longer a virgin then.

[N0help4u]

Truly strange from a Christian?

What is truly strange?

Mary was chosen by God to be Jesus mother. AFTER Jesus was born Mary was free from her purpose of being a virgin. Joseph KNEW Mary. Mary was free to have children. The Bible says HOLY matrimony meaning there is NO sin involved.

Why is that so complicated?

[JoeT777]

Truly strange from a Christian?

What is truly strange?

Mary was chosen by God to be Jesus mother. AFTER Jesus was born Mary was free from her purpose of being a virgin. Joseph KNEW Mary. Mary was free to have children. The Bible says HOLY matrimony meaning there is NO sin involved.

Why is that so complicated?

No, that's not quite right. She submitted to God's will becoming the Handmaiden of God. She wasn’t chosen. She cooperated with God’s will – of her own free will; a marked difference.

JoeT

[N0help4u]

Okay SO she submitted to God's will -either way, -Does that mean that she is forced to be obligated to her choice of submission after her part is fulfilled? I mean if I made a promise to fulfill something or I submitted to doing something for someone does that mean I am required to live a certain life for thereon after once my *obligation* has been fulfilled?
NO and the Bible says that too.

[JoeT777]

[QUOTE=N0help4u]Okay SO she submitted to God's will -either way, -Does that mean that she is forced to be obligated to her choice of submission after her part is fulfilled? [QUOTE]

Yes because she became like the Tabernacle, the Holy of Holies. Her womb became a Holy place.

JoeT

[N0help4u]

Me thinks you are reading too much into things.

[JoeT777]

Me thinks you are reading too much into things.

Ok, but its equally possible you're not reading enough into the Scripture.

JoeT

[Wondergirl]

No, that's not quite right. She submitted to God's will becoming the Handmaiden of God. She wasn’t chosen. She cooperated with God’s will – of her own free will; a marked difference.

JoeT

Of course God chose her. The Bible say so. Luke 1:30--And the angel said, "Do not be afraid, Mary, for you have found favor with God." Then Mary was confused and wondered why she had been chosen, but she finally submitted to God's will. And yes, she could have said no.

[Wondergirl]

Yes because she became like the Tabernacle, the Holy of Holies. Her womb became a Holy place.

JoeT

But only while Jesus was in it.

[JoeT777]

But only while Jesus was in it.

Don't forget. Christ was first and foremost fulfillment of Mosaic Law (The Old Testament). He lived the Law, like no man could because he was pure without the stain of sin. He was the Messiah of the Old Testament. His Tabernacle was where ever He was. That makes the very ground he walked on Holy; it makes the womb of Mary Sacred, for that one residence and forever.

Mary was ever Virgin.

JoeT

[Wondergirl]

Don’t forget. Christ was first and foremost, fulfillment of Mosaic Law (The Old Testament). He lived the Law, like no man could because he was pure without the stain of sin. He was the Messiah of the Old Testament.

JoeT

Yes. So?

[JoeT777]

Yes. So?

Re-read previous post. I added the explanation to it.

[Wondergirl]

it makes the womb of Mary Sacred, for that one residence and forever.

Jesus was sacred, not Mary's womb--ever.

If I put my life savings into a paper bag, the bag becomes valuable too?