[N0help4u]

No if you are born again you do not do whatever you please. Except that whatever you please is pleasing to God. It is a misconception that you do whatever you please just because you are 'born again'. If a 'born again' believer is believing they are able to go about doing whatever they believe then they do not really understand their salvation.

[ScottRC]

No if you are born again you do not do whatever you please.

I agree.

There are consequences for sin.

[Tj3]

No if you are born again you do not do whatever you please. Except that whatever you please is pleasing to God. It is a misconception that you do whatever you please just because you are 'born again'. If a 'born again' believer is believing they are able to go about doing whatever they believe then they do not really understand their salvation.

Rom 6:15-16
15 What then? Shall we sin because we are not under law but under grace? Certainly not!
NKJV

[arcura]

Tj3,
I DID NOT intentionally misrepresent what you said. Period.
Please do not try to twist my words.
You said "There is no such thing as "know-so" salvation. That is your personal derogatory term for people you don't agree with. Therefore define it as you wish."
That again is wrong by you. The term Know-so-Salvation has been around much longer than my 75 years.
I noticed that you did not accept my apology.
Fine, if that is the way you want it so be it.
But never-the-less I AM sorry if that upset you.
I will continue to pray for you as I have for several years.
Peace and kindness.
Fred (arcura)

[Tj3]

Tj3,
I DID NOT intentionally misrepresent what you said. Period.
Please do not try to twist my words.

I would like you to stop twisting mine. I was quite explicit with respect to what I believed and you turned around and said something completely different.

You said "There is no such thing as "know-so" salvation. That is your personal derogatory term for people you don't agree with. Therefore define it as you wish."
That again is wrong by you. The term Know-so-Salvation has been around much longer than my 75 years.

Perhaps in your circles there are other who choose derogatory terms for those that they disagree with. I do not agree with OSAS but I would never use such a term to mis-represent the doctrine.

I noticed that you did not accept my apology.

I have told you in the past that I do not hold grudges and always accept sincere apologies. Coming back with an accusatory approach because I did not say anything is a bit ironic.

Fine, if that is the way you want it so be it.
But never-the-less I AM sorry if that upset you.

No upset, but I do hope that someday that you will deal with me in a respectful and honest manner. I consider you and intelligent person and I think that we could have some interesting discussions.

The door remains open, Fred, as it always has been.

[arcura]

Tj3,
I am sorry and very sorry for you.
That is why I will continue to pray for you.
Peace and kindness,
Fred (arcura)

[Tj3]

Tj3,
I am sorry and very sorry for you.
That is why I will continue to pray for you.
Peace and kindness,
Fred (arcura)

No need to be sorry for me. I have assurance of my salvation:

1 Thess 1:5-6
5 For our gospel did not come to you in word only, but also in power, and in the Holy Spirit and in much assurance, as you know what kind of men we were among you for your sake.
NKJV

Do have assurance of salvation, Fred? If not, I would like to show you how you can.

My God has cleansed me from all unrighteousness, and has paid the full price.

1 John 1:8-10
9 If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
NKJV

There is therefore nothing more for me to pay to merit salvation. He did it all on the cross.

And no one can take it away.

John 10:28-30
28 And I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; neither shall anyone snatch them out of My hand. 29 My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of My Father's hand. 30 I and My Father are one."
NKJV

I feel sorry for anyone who does not know the safety of this salvation offered by Christ freely through His sacrifice on the cross.

[tsila1777]

You are missing my point.... what happens if you had died BEFORE you came back to the Lord?

What was the point of your repentance and change of heart if you never needed it?

I am confused by some of the terms used here. I am not sure we are talking the same language.

If I had died BEFORE I ‘came back’ to the Lord, I would have gone to heaven. I have no doubt of that. I did not stop believing in God, I did not lose my faith, I did not stop calling on God every day during that time to help me. I still loved God and I knew He still loved me. I still believed in my heart that Jesus was Lord, I was still a Christian saved by grace.

I said ‘fall into sin, live in sin for a time, and come back to God’; I do not know any other way of explaining it, except to tell some of what happened. I stopped going to church, and I adopted some bad habits, I was not were I was before that thing happened.

I prayed to God, I read the word but not as much. I even began to drink some…and some other things. Being out of church, I did not have the support and encouragement of other Christians, or the teaching or other things that being a member of a church means.

I did not kill anyone, or start shoplifting or taking drugs, or selling drugs or stuff like that. I wasn’t where I felt I was suppose to be, and if I had not ‘come back’ to the Lord, repented and received forgiveness, I would have continued until I really don't know what would have happened.

“What was the point of your repentance and change of heart if you never needed it?”
I really do not understand this question, it seems I have answered this before this time. I used repented because it seemed I was forced to, and who said I never needed a change of heart. It is one thing to be saved; it is another to reach your full potential in God.
I hit rock bottom when I got so upset anxiety attack/panic attack, and took too many pills, prescriptions legally obtained from a doctor, but they would not stay down. I believe that was God saying I am not finished with you yet; I still have some things for you to do.

So I called on the Name of the Lord, (after I woke up on the bathroom floor) and had a long talk with Him about many things, and when it was over I knew something had changed, my attitude.

I could have decided to keep going the way I was, or I could ‘come back’ to the Lord and make a real effort to find a church that taught the word and made me feel welcome and part of the body. And to ‘return’ to my former study habits, quit the other bad habits, etc: I chose to do that.
I do not just want to be a ‘sinner saved by grace’ I want to be a ‘Christian saved by grace’ and on fire for God and spreading His Word. I cannot go to Africa, but I can send people, I cannot reach the world for Christ, but I can support those who can. I can intercede for people around the world as well as for those at home.
The attitude I am getting from some of the people on this board is much like the ones from the former church I attended. I do not understand this feeling of hostility I am getting, or imagining. Maybe I am just being too sensitive, but I do not feel welcome here. If I am not, please tell me so. I do not have to visit here, and it will not hurt my feelings.
I have learned that feelings change, so there’s no point is getting overly attached to them.

[tsila1777]

But after you called on God the first time, you didn't need to repent or retore your relationship because your sins were already forgiven, right?

So once a person is "born again" they can do whatever they please... lie, steal, murder.... and just as long as they don't reject Christ go to heaven, that what you are saying?

I do not understand this. When I called on God the first time was when the relationship was restored, and yes my sins were already forgiven. But NO, a person who is born again does not want to do those things. They want to honor God. If you mean when I first was born again, yes my sins were forgiven. That is what it means that Jesus paid the price for my sins. But it is not automatic, one has to receive it from God, just like one has to believe in their heart and confess with their mouths to be saved, and if one does sin, one has an advocate with the Father, who is faithful and just to forgive sins. I believe in His faithfulness and He is justified and the justifier of those who believe. I believe. I have never stopped believing since I was first born-again, saved what ever you call it here on the Christian site.

So once a person is "born again" they can do whatever they please... lie, steal, murder.... and just as long as they don't reject Christ go to heaven, that what you are saying?[/quote]

I do not know how you jumped this high from what I said.

I have been made the righteousness of God, my sins are forgiven, and they are under the Blood. God sent His Son in the likeness of sinful flesh to condemn sin in the flesh, that the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. It is the Grace of God under the new covenant. God does not impute sin to us; His Son paid the price for sin. God does not consider that a minor thing. Being justified freely by His grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus…Whom God hats set forth to be propitiation through faith in His Blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins.

I thought the question was can you lost your salvation, I believe a person can lose their salvation, by denying Christ, and by blaspheming the Holy Spirit. I believe a person can be lead away by their own lusts and enticed and get so far away from God that they will deny Him. I do not believe a Christian can get so deep in sin as to lose their salvation without at some point denying Christ. I don’t mean they actually have to say the word, “I deny Christ”, but they my as some on here have done, they just don’t believe in God anymore, which God the Father, God the Son, God the Holy Spirit. These Three are ONE. I hope you understand I mean I believe a person can get that deep in sin

I have not slept for two nights, does anyone on here believe in praying for the sick? Oh, I am not supposed to piggyback questions…sorry….

I hope I have explained myself, I think I have not…because I do not understand the questions. But I did answer the topic question. Didn’t I? Forgive me if I did not, or if I repeated myself or made too many mistakes in typing, spelling or grammar, or terminology.

God bless and keep you,
So glad I finally found the Christian site.

[arcura]

tsila1777,
Yes I believe in praying for the sick and have often done so.
Peace and kindness,
Fred (arcura)

[ScottRC]

I do not believe a Christian can get so deep in sin as to lose their salvation without at some point denying Christ. I don’t mean they actually have to say the word, “I deny Christ”, but they my as some on here have done, they just don’t believe in God anymore, which God the Father, God the Son, God the Holy Spirit. These Three are ONE. I hope you understand I mean I believe a person can get that deep in sin

I understand what you are saying now... thanks for explaining.

I have not slept for two nights, does anyone on here believe in praying for the sick?

Prayer for the Sick
Dear Jesus, Divine Physician and Healer of the sick, we turn to you in this time of illness. O dearest comforter of the troubled, alleviate our worry and sorrow with your gentle love, and grant us the grace and strength to accept this burden. Dear God, we place our worries in your hands. We place our sick under your care and humbly ask that you restore your servant to health again. Above all, grant us the grace to acknowledge your will and know that whatever you do, you do for the love of us. Amen.
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Watch, O Lord, with those who wake, or watch, or weep tonight, and give your angels charge over those who sleep.

Tend your sick ones, O Lord Christ.
Rest your weary ones.
Bless your dying ones.
Soothe your suffering ones.
Pity your afflicted ones.
Shield your joyous ones.
And for all your love's sake. Amen.

-Saint Augustine

[tsila1777]

ScottRC, Thank you for understanding. I guess it is difficult with so many different terms for 'falling into sin', 'falling away' 'backsliding' etc. to explain something like that. And my typing didn't help... to make it easier. I didn't see the my when I meant may.. anyway. I thank you for the prayer,it is much appreciated. It is because of the pain of Fibromyalgia, that I haven't been able to sleep, they say there is no cure, but I say there is nothing impossible with God.

thank you,
Your sister in Christ,
Tsila

[arcura]

ScottRC,
Thanks much for posting those marvelous prayers.
They are very timely for me right now because my diabetes is acting up and I am feeling bad today.
Peace and kindness,
Fred (arcura)

[Peter Wilson]

Dear Tsila1777, Put you hand on the area that needs healing... "I speak to your mind in the name of Jesus Christ and I tell all the lies of the enemy to STOP!

I bind those spirits of fibromyalgia that are trying to bring sickness on you and by the authority of the blood of Jesus, I forbid them to speak to your mind, I tell them to SHUT UP!

Fibromyalgia, I speak to you, in the name of Jesus, COME OUT OF HER RIGHT NOW, I COMMAND YOU IN THE NAME OF JESUS LOOSE HER FROM THIS INFIRMITY, COME OUT NOW, I COMMAND YOU, GO.

By the stripes of Jesus, I claim deliverance from all sickness, all pain, all infections, and any other thing that the enemy is trying to bring on your life!

I command healing to come RIGHT NOW, in Jesus name!

Enemy, I command you in Jesus name , GO NOW, I forbid you to come upon any of Tsila's family or friends and I forbid you to return to this place, NOW GO!

Tsila, I pray the peace and love of God would flow over and through you, right now, as you read this, and set you free from all the works of the enemy in your life.

May the Holy Spirit fill all those places vacated by the enemy and bring restoration to your body and your soul.
And may your spirit be lifted with the knowledge that You are seated in Heavenly places, in Christ. Never forget this, if you are seated with Him, then the devil is an invader, kick him out, you don't have to win the battle, it is already won, just put on your armour and resist the works of the enemy.
Stand your ground, it has already been purchased for you.
God bless you!
Peter. :)

[Peter Wilson]

Dear Arcura, put your hand on the area that needs healing,. "DIABETES, I SPEAK TO YOU IN THE NAME OF JESUS, THE SON OF GOD, I HAVE BEEN GIVEN AUTHORITY OVER YOU AND I TELL YOU NOW, TO RELEASE FRED FROM THIS SICKNESS!
TAKE YOUR TENTACLES OUT OF HIS BODY RIGHT NOW!
I FORBID YOU TO BRING ANY MORE SICKNESS, ANY MORE PAIN, ANY MORE INFECTION, IN FACT ANY MORE OF ANYTHING ON FRED!
I BIND YOU IN JESUS NAME AND TELL YOU TO COME OUT NOW, LOOSE FRED RIGHT NOW!
BY THE STRIPES OF JESUS, I COMMAND THE HEALING OF GOD TO COME RIGHT NOW, ALL SICKNESS, YOU MUST LEAVE NOW!
I FORBID YOU TO RETURN IN THE NAME OF JESUS!
SPIRIT OF DOUBT, AND SPIRIT OF UNBELIEF, I SPEAK TO YOU, IN THE NAME OF JESUS AND FORBID YOU TO BRING DOUBT AND UNBELIEF ON FRED, HE IS HEALED AND YOU KNOW IT. SO DOES FRED, SO GET OUT AND DON'T COME BACK!
I FORBID IT IN JESUS NAME!
Holy Spirit, I ask you to fill those places left by the enemy, make no room for him in Fred's life, fill him with your love and peace, lead him on the paths of righteousness, for Your Names' sake.
Bless Fred, with all spiritual blessings in Christ. Amen
May the peace that passes understanding, flood over your life and may you know the presence of God in your life.
Bless you, Peter.:)

[arcura]

Peter Wilson,
Thank you so much for you good intentions and prayers for me.
God bless you.
Peace and kindness,
Fred (arcura)

[tsila1777]

Dear Peter,

Thank you so much for the wonderful prayer. It has been hard to believe I'm healed whole and set free when there has been so much pain. I am changing my way of thinking, and talking. I do not say 'i have' fibro anymore, I say I'm healed in the Name of Jesus. We had such a wonderful service in Church this morning, I felt a change and then this prayer. God works all things according to His wisdom and time. Blessed be His Name.

God bless you and keep you.

Your sis in Christ,
Tsila

[arcura]

tsila1777
I am very pleased and happy for yoi.
May God continue to bless you in many ways.
Peace and kindness.
Fred (arcura)

[tsila1777]

Thank you, Arcura, You are a good man. I preceive that you are a kind person. I appreciate you and your prayers and good thoughts toward me as well.

I pray God to touch you also, and health, and strength will return to your body. The Name of Jesus is above every other name, it is above the name of diabetes, and Fibromyalgia. So, in His Name I declare us both healed, whole and set free. Blessed be the Name of the Lord who takes pleasure in the properity of His servants.
Blessing, my dear brother,
Your sis in Christ,
Tsila

[0rphan]

Peter Wilson,
Thank you so much for you good intentions and prayers for me.
God bless you.
Peace and kindness,
Fred (arcura)

Dear arcura,
I am so sorry your not well, my son is a diabetic so I know what you go through.. be sure you check your blood sugar etc... it can be affected when your not well.

I am sure the Good Guy upstairs will see what a good man you are,and lay his healing hands upon you.

Bless you Peter for the kindness you show to arcura and others who are unwell on these boards... it's very heart warming to read.

May the light of human kindness extend to everyone who is suffering one way or another today and everyday around the world.

Bless you all