[Tj3]

Even though the word trinity is not in the scripture does not mean the teaching is not there.

Absolutely right. The doctrine of the trinity is probably one of the strongest taught doctrines in the Bible from Genesis through to Revelation. The word trinity is just a word used to describe it.

Same with purgatory the word is not there BUT the question IS is the teaching there?

That doctrine cannot be found anywhere from Genesis through to Revelation. The only way that claims are made that it is there is through interpretations of the leaders of one or more church denominations. Interpretations of men.

[Tj3]

Please show me.

How many times must I quote it?

2 Peter 1:19-21
20 knowing this first, that no prophecy of Scripture is of any private interpretation, 21 for prophecy never came by the will of man, but holy men of God spoke as they were moved by the Holy Spirit.
NKJV

[N0help4u]

The denomination decides what is scriptural but then you have to determine that you agree with it as Biblically sound. Like I could believe that Assemblies of God is closest to the truth that does not mean that they are but that is what I believe. No church has cornered the market on the truth.

[Tj3]

Amen my friend.... but, as usual, I say it does.... and so does more than a thousand years of Christians long before you and I were born.... so who determines who is right?

God. Do you have a problem with His interpretation?

[ScottRC]

How many times must I quote it?

2 Peter 1:19-21
20 knowing this first, that no prophecy of Scripture is of any private interpretation, 21 for prophecy never came by the will of man, but holy men of God spoke as they were moved by the Holy Spirit.
NKJV

The Church is a collective group... and so is not a "private interpretation"... the Greek word "idios" should make this clear.

God. Do you have a problem with His interpretation?

No... but it seems you don't offer Him the same respect when others views vary from your own.

[Tj3]

The Church is a collective group... and so is not a "private interpretation"... the Greek word "idios" should make this clear.

Ah, so you are trying to say that when you get a group of men together that the combined error in their interpretation is better than a just having that error by yourself.

Now, if that is okay for your denomination, then it must be okay for all other denominations also, right?

Be consistent!

No... but it seems you don't offer Him the same respect when others views vary from your own.

Hmmm... lets' examine that thought once you tell me if the interpretations of other denominations are equal to those made by yours.

[De Maria]

Got to tell you Pete. I need white space. When you have long paragraphs with continuous sentences, I just have trouble reading it. But I'll give it a shot.

De Maria, sorry you got blamed for my post. :)

No problem.

What I meant was that our works will be tested by fire, that is, as we build on the foundation of Jesus, His church. If what we build with is from our own ideas or making, like a cult might do, then it will be tested. If our works are righteous, and in keeping with what has already been laid and not add to it a different Gospel than was preached in the beginning, then it will stand and we will receive our reward. Our righteous acts will not be burned up,

Ok

I didn't mean for it to sound like that, just the acts of righteousness that come from the wrong motives.

Hm? Seems to contradict what you just said.

If from spiritual pride, whoosh, up it goes, if for the praise of men, whoosh, if for personal gain, whoosh, if for any other reason than to obey the Holy Spirit, (you do have the Holy Spirit don't you?)

I think so. And that is another good point. Does the Holy Spirit contradicts itself? If you believe I have the Holy Spirit, why do you believe you can teach me anything?

then it will be accounted as loss.

OK.

If you are not Born again, you can't either see nor enter the Kingdom of God.
When did you get Born again,

Yes.

what was your experience. Were you "buried" in baptism, or just sprinkled.

I was baptized as an infant.

If so, did you believe before you were baptized, do you have the signs following that Jesus said would follow them that believe?

Do you?

To be honest, the way you interpret scripture is as far out as the Jehova's Witnesses.

I believe I interpret Scripture much better than you Pete.

You seem to believe whatever you have been taught by man.

That's why we all have different gifts Pete. Some of us are teachers:
Romans 12 6 And having different gifts, according to the grace that is given us, either prophecy, to be used according to the rule of faith; 7 Or ministry, in ministering; or he that teacheth, in doctrine; 8 He that exhorteth, in exhorting; he that giveth, with simplicity; he that ruleth, with carefulness; he that showeth mercy, with cheerfulness. 9 Let love be without dissimulation. Hating that which is evil, cleaving to that which is good. 10 Loving one another with the charity of brotherhood, with honour preventing one another.

Why don't you pray this prayer, I did, "Dear Father God, if I am in error and if I am in the wrong place, then tell me. For if you don't tell me, then when I stand before you, on that day, I will say, "It is your fault, I asked you to tell me and you didn't"".
There's one thing I know about God, He wants us to be real, not religious.

I've prayed that many times Pete. I advise you to pray the same.

He loves it when we come and reason with Him.
Isaiah 1
18 "Come now, let us reason together,"
Says the LORD.
"Though your sins are like scarlet,
They shall be as white as snow;
Though they are red as crimson,
They shall be like wool.
I don't mean that we should be dis-respectful, just real.

I agree. I think you show the makings of a great Catholic. I await your entry in the Catholic Church with open arms.

God wants to work in your life beyond the limits you set, by His grace, I have had many miracles happen to me and my family, from healings to supernatural provision to visions and dreams, to even hearing the audible voice of God on at least two occasions, to seeing angels and demons and even meeting Jesus, face to face in a vision. (Though I couldn't actually see His face, it was shining like the sun.) I have seen Heaven open and God on the throne, with Jesus at His right hand,(He was standing), there was a number of elders standing and sitting on the ground around the throne,and all the Angels of heaven around them, though back at a distance. Gold dust was floating down over all the worshippers at that time, it was awesome.

That is wonderful for you Pete. Now, since you seem to have a more direct line to God than I, ask Him to teach you about the Catholic Church. And come join the church of the first born and the just made perfect.

Please understand that I don't say that to make myself sound more "spiritual" than you or anybody else, if I have received anything, then it is the gift of God, certainly not my righteousness, I battle the desires and appetites of the flesh as do we all.
I just say these things to let you know that God is not just a belief system, He is real and active today, look at what is happening in Florida and other parts of the world.

I KNOW!!

In our Church ( Dayspring Church Australia) we have had some very significant healings lately, one man was healed from Parkinsons disease, another woman was in a coma on her deathbed with cancer, she was prayed for and completely healed.
These are the works that are righteous, let these be tested in the fire, this is what you have called for at this time. If you ignore the call then l trust in your own righteousness.

I trust in God.

Sorry if it sounds like I'm judging you, I'm not,

No need to apologize. I think you are on the right track. You just need one thing more. The Catholic Church.

I don't even know you, I'm just trying to spur you on to do good works, after all, wasn't that your first love, don't you remember why you chose to follow the priesthood, to get close to God.

I'm not a priest. I'm a lay person. But I understand where you are coming from.

Rev. 3
2Wake up! Strengthen what remains and is about to die, for I have not found your deeds complete in the sight of my God.

And I say to you,
James 2 18 But some man will say: Thou hast faith, and I have works: show me thy faith without works; and I will show thee, by works, my faith.

This is what the Catholic Church teaches. And this work of evangelisation that I do on the Internet is just one of my works.

I don't go around patting myself on the back however, for Scripture also says:
Matthew 6 2 Therefore when thou dost an almsdeed, sound not a trumpet before thee, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, that they may be honoured by men. Amen I say to you, they have received their reward.

3 But when thou dost alms, let not thy left hand know what thy right hand doth. 4 That thy alms may be in secret, and thy Father who seeth in secret will repay thee.

Sincerely,

De Maria

[De Maria]

There is not only nothing in scripture supporting such a practice, but indeed it is a completely unnecessary practice since you are either on to way to hell not having received Christ as Saviour, or if you have received Christ as Saviour, then he has paid the price for ALL of your sins (1 John 1:9 and others). The Roman Church is therefore claiming power and authority that is does not have.

I assume you mean the payment for sins:
Acts Of Apostles 8 22 Do penance therefore for this thy wickedness; and pray to God, that perhaps this thought of thy heart may be forgiven thee.

Acts Of Apostles 26 20 But to them first that are at Damascus, and at Jerusalem, and unto all the country of Judea, and to the Gentiles did I preach, that they should do penance, and turn to God, doing works worthy of penance.

2 Corinthians 12 21 Lest again, when I come, God humble me among you: and I mourn many of them that sinned before, and have not done penance for the uncleanness, and fornication, and lasciviousness, that they have committed.

Apocalypse 2 22 Behold, I will cast her into a bed: and they that commit adultery with her shall be in very great tribulation, except they do penance from their deeds.

Jesus retained those keys as shown by the fact that He still has them in the Book of Revelation.

Rev 1:18-19
18 I am He who lives, and was dead, and behold, I am alive forevermore. Amen. And I have the keys of Hades and of Death.
NKJV

Different set of keys:
Matthew 16 19 And I will give to thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven. And whatsoever thou shalt bind upon earth, it shall be bound also in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose upon earth, it shall be loosed also in heaven.

Sincerely,

De Maria

[Tj3]

I assume you mean the payment for sins:
Acts Of Apostles 8 22 Do penance therefore for this thy wickedness; and pray to God, that perhaps this thought of thy heart may be forgiven thee.

Acts Of Apostles 26 20 But to them first that are at Damascus, and at Jerusalem, and unto all the country of Judea, and to the Gentiles did I preach, that they should do penance, and turn to God, doing works worthy of penance.

2 Corinthians 12 21 Lest again, when I come, God humble me among you: and I mourn many of them that sinned before, and have not done penance for the uncleanness, and fornication, and lasciviousness, that they have committed.

Apocalypse 2 22 Behold, I will cast her into a bed: and they that commit adultery with her shall be in very great tribulation, except they do penance from their deeds.

Nice try.

Tell me, have you found any translation other than the Douay-Rheims Bible (created by the Roman Church to support its own doctrines) which translates the word as "penance"?

The word used in Acts 8:22 in Greek is metanoeo which means to change your mind. I did not waste my time checking the rest though I suspect that the other verses are equally poorly translated.

Different set of keys:
Matthew 16 19 And I will give to thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven. And whatsoever thou shalt bind upon earth, it shall be bound also in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose upon earth, it shall be loosed also in heaven.

So what makes you think that they are a different set of keys?

[De Maria]

Nice try.

Tell me, have you found any translation other than the Douay-Rheims Bible (created by the Roman Church to support its own doctrines) which translates the word as "penance"?

The word used in Acts 8:22 in Greek is metanoeo which means to change your mind. I did not waste my time checking the rest though I suspect that the other verses are equally poorly translated.

Lets see. According to the BLB, metaneo means also:

heartily to amend with abhorrence of one's past sins
Blue Letter Bible - Lexicon

What does "amend" mean?

Amend
A verb
1 rectify, remediate, remedy, repair, amend
set straight or right; "remedy these deficiencies"; "rectify the inequities in salaries"; "repair an oversight"
Definition of amend - WordReference.com Dictionary

Re·pent 1 (r-pnt)
v. re·pent·ed, re·pent·ing, re·pents
v.intr.
1. To feel remorse, contrition, or self-reproach for what one has done or failed to do; be contrite.
2. To feel such regret for past conduct as to change one's mind regarding it: repented of intemperate behavior.
3. To make a change for the better as a result of remorse or contrition for one's sins.
v.tr.
1. To feel regret or self-reproach for: repent one's sins.
2. To cause to feel remorse or regret.
repent - definition of repent by the Free Online Dictionary, Thesaurus and Encyclopedia.

Why that doesn't mean to amend at all? It just means to be sorry for what one has done.

Penance
Noun
1. voluntary self-punishment to make amends for a sin
2. RC Church a sacrament in which repentant sinners are forgiven provided they confess their sins to a priest and perform a penance [Latin paenitentia repentance]
penance - definition of penance by the Free Online Dictionary, Thesaurus and Encyclopedia.

But penance means "to make amends".

Isn't that something? The Protestant translations don't take the entire meaning of the word into account. They leave out making amends.

Just goes to show, that the Douay is actually the most accurate translation in the English language.

So what makes you think that they are a different set of keys?

You don't know the difference between heaven and hell?

Heaven is eternal life.

Hell is eternal death.

Read it.

Matthew 16 19 And I will give to thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven

Rev 1:18-19 And I have the keys of Hades and of Death.

This is another reason why Sola Scriptura fails. I had to explain to you the difference between heaven and hell. Unbelievable!!

Sincerely,

De Maria

[De Maria]

Nice try.

Tell me, have you found any translation other than the Douay-Rheims Bible (created by the Roman Church to support its own doctrines) which translates the word as "penance"?

The word used in Acts 8:22 in Greek is metanoeo which means to change your mind. I did not waste my time checking the rest though I suspect that the other verses are equally poorly translated.

Lets see. According to the BLB, metaneo means also:

heartily to amend with abhorrence of one's past sins
Blue Letter Bible - Lexicon

What does "amend" mean?

Amend
A verb
1 rectify, remediate, remedy, repair, amend
set straight or right; "remedy these deficiencies"; "rectify the inequities in salaries"; "repair an oversight"
Definition of amend - WordReference.com Dictionary

Re·pent 1 (r-pnt)
v. re·pent·ed, re·pent·ing, re·pents
v.intr.
1. To feel remorse, contrition, or self-reproach for what one has done or failed to do; be contrite.
2. To feel such regret for past conduct as to change one's mind regarding it: repented of intemperate behavior.
3. To make a change for the better as a result of remorse or contrition for one's sins.
v.tr.
1. To feel regret or self-reproach for: repent one's sins.
2. To cause to feel remorse or regret.
repent - definition of repent by the Free Online Dictionary, Thesaurus and Encyclopedia.

Why that doesn't mean to amend at all? It just means to be sorry for what one has done.

Penance
Noun
1. voluntary self-punishment to make amends for a sin
2. RC Church a sacrament in which repentant sinners are forgiven provided they confess their sins to a priest and perform a penance [Latin paenitentia repentance]
penance - definition of penance by the Free Online Dictionary, Thesaurus and Encyclopedia.

But penance means "to make amends".

Isn't that something? The Protestant translations don't take the entire meaning of the word into account. They leave out making amends.

Just goes to show, that the Douay is actually the most accurate translation in the English language.

So what makes you think that they are a different set of keys?

You don't know the difference between heaven and hell?

Heaven is eternal life.

Hell is eternal death.

Read it.

Matthew 16 19 And I will give to thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven

Rev 1:18-19 And I have the keys of Hades and of Death.

This is another reason why Sola Scriptura fails. Apparently, by your private interpretation, you thought they were the same set of keys. I had to explain to you the difference between heaven and hell. Unbelievable!!

Sincerely,

De Maria

[Peter Wilson]

Actually, DeMaria, I do have those signs following, when I was 21, even though I was into dealing drugs, drinking, sex and whatever else would come my way, I still used to pray.
Must have been the catholic in me eh!
Sorry about the long runs of words with no breaks, I'm a builder, no writer, I suppose that's obvious though.
Anyway, I was out in the back yard of my parents house, and I asked God to let His light shine through me to help other people.
I walked back inside and something washed over me, and I started to speak in tongues, I thought that I had made up a new language, and thought I was pretty cool.
Even though I had been brought up a Catholic and went to Catholic school, I never even heard about the baptism of the Holy Spirit.
I felt wonderful, I would walk around the backyard speaking in this new language to my dog, she didn't seem to mind.
After that, I had three dreams, the first one was-
Dream 1.
I was kneeling down in a catholic church praying, I was alone, my back got really hot, so I turned around and saw blood and fire raining on the church.
I was instantly taken from there straight up, and taken back to the beginning of time, as I was flying in, I saw a figure dressed in a white monks habit, he had his hands together inside his sleeves and his head forward, so I couldn't see his face.
He was standing beside a screen, on this screen was scriptural type words, moving slowly up the screen.
I looked around to see where the light was coming from, it was shining down from space onto something else and reflected onto the screen. I could see the earth, dark and void, there was no stars or moon.
Suddenly, a very powerful voice started speaking to me, it sounded like thousands of voices of one loud voice.
I knew that that was my life on that screen, that it had been written down.
I didn't know what to think, I thought maybe it was judgement day or something.
I woke up with a start and was shaking and sweating profusely.
If you know your scriptures, you will understand this dream and the significance of it to me.
Dream 2.
I was walking along in a field, it was a beautiful sunny day, I walked down into a gully, and along the end of the gully, was a door leading into the earth.
I walked down and opened the door, there was a cave hewn out of the earth, I could see the roots of the grass sticking through.
At the end of the cave, about 20 feet or so, there was, what looked like a white ball, that had a square cut into it and padded, just like the inside of a coffin.
I stepped into the ball, and it immediately started spinning.
It was a pleasurable experience, but then, I was rolled out of the ball into an underground cave.
It was dark, except for an eerie light that was coming from around a corner.
I was picked up spiritually, or that is the best way to describe it, and forced/carried to the corner of the cave.
I looked around, I could see tables and chairs some fallen over in various places, there were also plates and cups strewn about.
On the corner that I was hanging onto, was a wooden bench, there was wooden shelves on the walls with old bottles standing and some lying down.
Everything looked as if it had been untouched for hundreds of years, all covered in dust.
This force pulled me off the post that I was hanging onto, and I was stood with my back to a large hole behind me. I looked down and saw an armour plated steel ramp leading back into the hole.
My back got really hot, and I could see the flickering of flames on the walls.
I thought, "This must be Hell, I must be at the very gates of Hell!"
I immediately began to call on the name of Jesus, I was saying "I love Jesus, Jesus is my Lord".
As I continued to say it, the power dragging me into hell, suddenly let go and I fell forward and started walking away.
I stopped saying it and the power started pulling me back again.
I almost tripped over my tongue and continued saying "Jesus is Lord, I love Jesus!"
The power stopped pulling me and I was able to go back to the hole, crawl up through the ball, out of the cave, back into the sunlight, and then I woke up sweating and shaking again!
Again, if you know your scriptures, you will recognize the significance of this dream.
Dream 3
(Hope your not getting bored) It was night time, I looked over to my left to see a town all lit up, I was on a boat about 300 or so metres offshore.
I looked to my right, and there was an enemy gunship, firing onto the shore.
There was about 6-8 other people on our boat, which was shaped exactly like Noahs ark.
I told everybody to jump off and I would ram the enemy gunship.
I turned the boat around and headed toward it.
Just before we collided, they saw me coming, and turned their guns on me, but it was too late.
We crashed into each other and as we did, I jumped off and started swimming away.
Unfortunately, the boats sank so fast, that I got sucked down with them.
I started swimming to the surface thinking, "I'll make it, I always do."
Suddenly I stopped swimming, I had drowned, I thought," Well I'm dead now, I might as well wake up".
And so I did, sweating and shaking again.
Again, if you know your scriptures, you will understand the symbolism.

I told that, to tell you this.
As I was walking around the backyard and in the laundry, it was an old house with a separate laundry, the Holy Spirit started speaking to me. He told me to get baptized by full immersion.
I said, "where am I supposed to go, the lutheran church, the prostestant church, besides, I am supposed to be in the one true church" (You see, even I believed it once)
The Holy Spirit told me to go and see this bloke that I used to buy drugs from.
He got busted bringing Buddha sticks back from Bali, glassed inside a surfboard.
I thought about it, and my idea of Christians, was like a Mormon or a Jehova's witness, that is, short hair dressed in a suit.
I said, "Look Lord, if I don't settle down in the world by the time I hit 35, I will find you then, even if I have to become a priest or a monk or a nun!" (I was being facetious)
Fortunately, He didn't strike me dead, but He was faithful, and at 35, he told me audibly to get baptized.
Even then, if yo read my profile, I have been bitten by snakes, one a taipan, and all the signs in Mark 16, I have in my life, so yes, I do have the signs, and I wasn't sold a pup, no-one brainwashed me.
God has a plan for my life, as He does for yours, I know, because He showed me.
There have been many other things that God has done in my life, but that will have to wait for another time.
Grace and Peace
Peter.

[De Maria]

Actually, DeMaria, I do have those signs following, when I was 21, even though I was into dealing drugs, drinking, sex and whatever else would come my way, I still used to pray.
Must have been the catholic in me eh!

No. That is Luther's teaching. "Sin and sin mightily and grace will abound the more." Of course that is completely against Scripture:

Romans 6 1 What shall we say, then? shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? 2 God forbid.

How many Protestants have I spoken to who claim that ALL their sins, past and present have been forgiven simply because they made a profession of faith. Tons and tons. Sorry, but that is a Protestant teaching. Not Catholic at all.

Sorry about the long runs of words with no breaks, I'm a builder, no writer, I suppose that's obvious though.

Just hit the Enter button after you've completed an idea. And that way you'll build a better more readable message.

Anyway, I was out in the back yard of my parents house, and I asked God to let His light shine through me to help other people.
I walked back inside and something washed over me, and I started to speak in tongues, I thought that I had made up a new language, and thought I was pretty cool.
Even though I had been brought up a Catholic and went to Catholic school, I never even heard about the baptism of the Holy Spirit.
I felt wonderful, I would walk around the backyard speaking in this new language to my dog, she didn't seem to mind.
After that, I had three dreams, the first one was-
Dream 1.
I was kneeling down in a catholic church praying, I was alone, my back got really hot, so I turned around and saw blood and fire raining on the church.
I was instantly taken from there straight up, and taken back to the beginning of time, as I was flying in, I saw a figure dressed in a white monks habit, he had his hands together inside his sleeves and his head forward, so I couldn't see his face.
He was standing beside a screen, on this screen was scriptural type words, moving slowly up the screen.
I looked around to see where the light was coming from, it was shining down from space onto something else and reflected onto the screen. I could see the earth, dark and void, there was no stars or moon.
Suddenly, a very powerful voice started speaking to me, it sounded like thousands of voices of one loud voice.
I knew that that was my life on that screen, that it had been written down.
I didn't know what to think, I thought maybe it was judgement day or something.
I woke up with a start and was shaking and sweating profusely.
If you know your scriptures, you will understand this dream and the significance of it to me.
Dream 2.
I was walking along in a field, it was a beautiful sunny day, I walked down into a gully, and along the end of the gully, was a door leading into the earth.
I walked down and opened the door, there was a cave hewn out of the earth, I could see the roots of the grass sticking through.
At the end of the cave, about 20 feet or so, there was, what looked like a white ball, that had a square cut into it and padded, just like the inside of a coffin.
I stepped into the ball, and it immediately started spinning.
It was a pleasurable experience, but then, I was rolled out of the ball into an underground cave.
It was dark, except for an eerie light that was coming from around a corner.
I was picked up spiritually, or that is the best way to describe it, and forced/carried to the corner of the cave.
I looked around, I could see tables and chairs some fallen over in various places, there were also plates and cups strewn about.
On the corner that I was hanging onto, was a wooden bench, there was wooden shelves on the walls with old bottles standing and some lying down.
Everything looked as if it had been untouched for hundreds of years, all covered in dust.
This force pulled me off the post that I was hanging onto, and I was stood with my back to a large hole behind me. I looked down and saw an armour plated steel ramp leading back into the hole.
My back got really hot, and I could see the flickering of flames on the walls.
I thought, "This must be Hell, I must be at the very gates of Hell!"
I immediately began to call on the name of Jesus, I was saying "I love Jesus, Jesus is my Lord".
As I continued to say it, the power dragging me into hell, suddenly let go and I fell forward and started walking away.
I stopped saying it and the power started pulling me back again.
I almost tripped over my tongue and continued saying "Jesus is Lord, I love Jesus!"
The power stopped pulling me and I was able to go back to the hole, crawl up through the ball, out of the cave, back into the sunlight, and then I woke up sweating and shaking again!
Again, if you know your scriptures, you will recognize the significance of this dream.
Dream 3
(Hope your not getting bored) It was night time, I looked over to my left to see a town all lit up, I was on a boat about 300 or so metres offshore.
I looked to my right, and there was an enemy gunship, firing onto the shore.
There was about 6-8 other people on our boat, which was shaped exactly like Noahs ark.
I told everybody to jump off and I would ram the enemy gunship.
I turned the boat around and headed toward it.
Just before we collided, they saw me coming, and turned their guns on me, but it was too late.
We crashed into each other and as we did, I jumped off and started swimming away.
Unfortunately, the boats sank so fast, that I got sucked down with them.
I started swimming to the surface thinking, "I'll make it, I always do."
Suddenly I stopped swimming, I had drowned, I thought," Well I'm dead now, I might as well wake up".
And so I did, sweating and shaking again.
Again, if you know your scriptures, you will understand the symbolism.

Yeah. And its all Catholic. Apparently you've received the gift of prophecy but not the gift of interpretation.

In the first dream you were in the CATHOLIC Church praying and you were taken up TO SAFETY.

In the 2nd dream, the Post which you were clinging to is the Pillar of Truth, the Church. And when you were pulled away, you were standing on the precipice of hell.

In the 3rd dream, you were in the Ark and safe, the Ark has always been a symbol of the Barque of Peter, the Catholic Church. But YOU made a shambles of the Ark, you sunk it and then you drowned.

Obviously, God is calling you back to the Catholic Church, but Satan is keeping you in his grip.

Repent, go to confession and reconcile yourself to God and His Church.

I told that, to tell you this.
As I was walking around the backyard and in the laundry, it was an old house with a separate laundry, the Holy Spirit started speaking to me. He told me to get baptized by full immersion.

Did you try the spirit? Because that wasn't the Holy Spirit who spoke to you. If you were Baptized Catholic, you need not be baptized again.

I said, "where am I supposed to go, the lutheran church, the prostestant church, besides, I am supposed to be in the one true church" (You see, even I believed it once)
The Holy Spirit told me to go and see this bloke that I used to buy drugs from.
He got busted bringing Buddha sticks back from Bali, glassed inside a surfboard.
I thought about it, and my idea of Christians, was like a Mormon or a Jehova's witness, that is, short hair dressed in a suit.
I said, "Look Lord, if I don't settle down in the world by the time I hit 35, I will find you then, even if I have to become a priest or a monk or a nun!" (I was being facetious)
Fortunately, He didn't strike me dead, but He was faithful, and at 35, he told me audibly to get baptized.
Even then, if yo read my profile, I have been bitten by snakes, one a taipan, and all the signs in Mark 16, I have in my life, so yes, I do have the signs, and I wasn't sold a pup, no-one brainwashed me.

Read the Scripture:

Matthew 7 21 Not every one that saith to me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven: but he that doth the will of my Father who is in heaven, he shall enter into the kingdom of heaven.

God has a plan for my life, as He does for yours, I know, because He showed me.
There have been many other things that God has done in my life, but that will have to wait for another time.
Grace and Peace
Peter.

I think He has a plan for you. But you have been running from it. Come back to the Fullness of Truth and you will take your first steps in the right direction.

Sincerely,

De Maria

[ScottRC]

Ah, so you are trying to say that when you get a group of men together that the combined error in their interpretation is better than a just having that error by yourself.

It's not just any group of men... it is those chosen by the Apostles to carry on their mission... those who are protected and guided by the Holy Spirit through the laying of hands... in other words, Apostolic Succession.

Now, if that is okay for your denomination, then it must be okay for all other denominations also, right?

Yes... any that have a valid priesthood with Apostolic Succession... Roman Catholic and Eastern Orthodox.

[Fr_Chuck]

A lot of posts have been deleted, persoal attacks on faith, difference between explaining what ideas and teachings various denominations have, and bigoted comments about a denomination.

[N0help4u]

My point was that you can not say it is one denominations teaching when it IS in other denominations so none can point fingers.

[Tj3]

It's not just any group of men... it is those chosen by the Apostles to carry on their mission... those who are protected and guided by the Holy Spirit through the laying of hands... in other words, Apostolic Succession.

Something that I would suggest is also not scriptural. Therefore I would suggest that it is just any groups of men. Jesus did not start a denomination, nor did He delegate a single denomination.

Yes... any that have a valid priesthood with Apostolic Succession... Roman Catholic and Eastern Orthodox.

[/QUOTE]

According to the man who you claim to be the pope, I am a valid priest.

[Tj3]

Lets see. According to the BLB, metaneo means also:

heartily to amend with abhorrence of one's past sins
Blue Letter Bible - Lexicon

You are quite selective is what you choose to quiote and not quote. Let's look at all of it:

1) to change one's mind, i.e. to repent
2) to change one's mind for better, heartily to amend with abhorrence of one's past sins

Note that the context even of the line that you quoted has to do with chnaging one's mind. Nowhere does this suggest doing penance.

Just goes to show, that the Douay is actually the most accurate translation in the English language.

Again, I find it hard to believe that you even believe that statement.

You don't know the difference between heaven and hell?

I know the difference and I also know that when Jesus opens the door to one for a person, the door to the other is closed. What controls one, controls the other. That is the Biblical gospel.

[ScottRC]

Something that I would suggest is also not scriptural. Therefore I would suggest that it is just any groups of men. Jesus did not start a denomination, nor did He delegate a single denomination.

Opinions vary obviously, but again we come back to the question of how to decide who is right? :)

According to the man who you claim to be the pope, I am a valid priest.

Certainly... Christ, high priest and unique mediator, has made of the Church "a kingdom, priests for his God and Father." The whole community of believers is, as such, priestly. The faithful exercise their baptismal priesthood through their participation, each according to his own vocation, in Christ's mission as priest, prophet, and king. Through the sacraments of Baptism and Confirmation the faithful are "consecrated to be . . . a holy priesthood."

But you are not an ORDAINED priest= a presbyter, from the Greek πρεσβύτερος, presbýteros, which is conferred by the cheirotonia, ("Laying-on of Hands"), or Holy Orders... something quite different than what you are asserting.

[Tj3]

Opinions vary obviously, but again we come back to the question of how to decide who is right? :)

The Bible. We find that there are only 12 apostles and no more (other than jesus who is described as "The Apostle"). Thus there is no apostolic succession.

But you are not an ORDAINED priest= a presbyter, from the Greek πρεσβύτερος, presbýteros, which is conferred by the cheirotonia, ("Laying-on of Hands"), or Holy Orders... something quite different than what you are asserting.

The Bible records that the ordained priesthood was done away with.