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Alty · Jul 29, 2008, 01:36 PM

Exactly, but it happens again and again, will it ever end? I don't think so.

ordinaryguy · Jul 29, 2008, 03:21 PM

Originally Posted by Credendovidis

That is what you BELIEVE !

That is what you BELIEVE !

Yes, of course it is what she believes, but your constant repetition of this obvious and uncontested fact, has long since ceased to contribute anything substantive to the discussion. Give it a rest, please.

Capuchin · Jul 29, 2008, 04:37 PM

Originally Posted by ordinaryguy

Yes, of course it is what she believes, but your constant repetition of this obvious and uncontested fact, has long since ceased to contribute anything substantive to the discussion. Give it a rest, please.

Seconded.

Alty · Jul 29, 2008, 04:50 PM

Third. :)

N0help4u · Jul 29, 2008, 04:54 PM

Fourth.
I think we can ALL live without any of the ''that is what you believe'', ''that is your claim'', etc... from anybody.

jillianleab · Jul 29, 2008, 05:03 PM

Originally Posted by N0help4u

Fourth.

Fifth.

Originally Posted by NeedKarma

That's just those two. You can set them to "Ignore".

Needs repeating - *golf clap*

WVHiflyer · Jul 29, 2008, 07:32 PM

NOhelp4U>... if an atheist can't handle religious discussion and even sometimes feel the need to attack people's religious beliefs and claim they have no beliefs why do they come here? What do they hope to accomplish?

Why do religionists feel they need to attack non-believers wherever they find them? I only can think of one who regularly displays open hostility to the religious. The vast majority simply want to discuss. Why is a discusion seen as an attack?

WVHiflyer · Jul 29, 2008, 07:33 PM

Capuchin> This isn't a religious forum. It's a place for religious discussion. That is for anyone to come and discuss religion. Stop clinging onto the belief that this is your forum and the atheists are invading..

Bravo!

WVHiflyer · Jul 29, 2008, 07:36 PM

sominoeaugie> It's simple, the Christians are attempting to convert/convince the Atheists and the Atheists are attempting to convert/convince the Christians and neither side is winning anyone over.

Not all atheist want to 'convert' the religious (tho all wish they would see the irrationality of their beliefs <G>). Personally, I just would like the religiuos to stop trying to influence all aspects of society and realize that not everyone shares their views nor wants to live by their religiously based rules. And that the non-religious should stop being persecuted. And, that those who do not believe in monotheism stop being persecuted.

N0help4u · Jul 29, 2008, 07:38 PM

When the discussion is constantly pointed out as that is your belief when that should be clear since it IS the religious discussion board, it is not the fact board or the science board so as I have been saying my point is why does it have to constantly be pointed out 'that is your belief' and not accepted as such?

Alty · Jul 29, 2008, 07:51 PM

WVHiflyer, I do agree that most times non-believers do just want to discuss, and that there are really only two people that are consistently argumentative on this site. I will even say that there are Christians on this site that are consistently argumentative on this site. I've said it before, I'll say it again, both sides are guilty.

I wish that an open honest kind discussion could be carried out, but I don't think it's possible. It may start okay, but it quickly turns in to a fight, and then wham, the thread is closed, only to be replaced by and even more argumentative thread.

The reason that we cannot discuss peacefully is because the majority of people who do come to these threads are firm believers in their faith and will do anything and everything to defend it.

Also, allot of these threads are started just to tick off the opposing side, start an argument. I may get allot of people angry by saying this, but this thread is the perfect example of that. Credo is also known to start threads that are a jab at people who's beliefs are different than his, it's like putting bait in front of a shark.

So, one side starts it, the other side joins in, they battle, quote each other, turn eachothers words around and nothing is accomplished.

I wish I could ignore these threads, believe me I've tried, but too many times something is said and I feel the need to jump in.

I do believe in God, I pray to God, and I know, in my heart, that he exists. No one can tell me otherwise, no one will persuade me to turn my back on God. So, to me, God is a fact, not fiction, I don't need proof. To others, non-believers (not all) they are constantly harping on believers to provide proof. Not my job, if they want it they can find it.

I do not believe in the bible (what am I starting by saying that?), I do not believe in Church (another target on my back), but I do believe in God.

Am I willing to discuss whether God exists, no, because to me he does, the end.

Are most atheist willing to discuss whether God exists, no, because to them, he doesn't, the end.

So, why are we fighting, why are we trying to discuss this? Your guess is as good as mine, because really, I can't see a time or place where the opposing sides can have a rational, logical, unargumentative discussion about their views without mud slinging, name calling and fighting.

Sorry for the long post, but that's how I feel.

Peace. :)

WVHiflyer · Jul 29, 2008, 08:14 PM

Alt - one of the most logical posts I've seen on these types of posts. I see your snuffling hasn't affected your reasoning yet... <G> (Brandy help?)

Alty · Jul 29, 2008, 08:22 PM

Still snuffling, and I've lost my voice, but not my ability to type. ;)

asking · Jul 30, 2008, 01:28 AM

Originally Posted by Capuchin

Religion is not non-existent....

Personally - I'm interested in defending science and evidential inquiry when it is attacked, which often happens in these discussions - hence I keep an eye on it.

I'm also very interested in religion - it's a very intriguing human condition, don't you think? It's something that I don't understand and am eager to learn more about.

I hope this helps.

Same for me. I just search on "evolution" and it nearly always comes up in Religion for some reason. If people are seriously talking about evolution, I try to put some accurate information out there if I have time. I don't browse religion and am not interested in purely religious discussions. I prefer to talk about evolution in the science section, where discussions are much calmer. The word appeared in this thread...

Originally Posted by Altenweg

Am I willing to discuss whether or not God exists, no, because to me he does, the end.

Are most atheist willing to discuss whether or not God exists, no, because to them, he doesn't, the end.

So, why are we fighting, why are we trying to discuss this?

Amen!

jillianleab · Jul 30, 2008, 05:37 AM

Originally Posted by N0help4u

When the discussion is constantly pointed out as that is your belief when that should be clear since it IS the religious discussion board, it is not the fact board or the science board so as I have been saying my point is why does it have to constantly be pointed out 'that is your belief' and not accepted as such?

But again, you're talking about ONE person on this board; please don't lump the rest of the non-believers in with someone who does not represent our views or opinions. There are plenty of non-believers on this site who simply discuss.

Originally Posted by Altenweg

WVHiflyer, I do agree that most times non-believers do just want to discuss, and that there are really only two people that are consistently argumentative on this site. I will even say that there are Christians on this site that are consistently argumentative on this site. I've said it before, I'll say it again, both sides are guilty.

Both sides aren't guilty - those individuals are guilty.

People need to remember to deal with individuals on this site how they see fit, and not lump everyone together because of a few a-holes. Personally, I advocate the "ignore" button. It is, by far, my favorite feature of this site! :)

N0help4u · Jul 30, 2008, 06:09 AM

I agree Jillianbean and I did not mean to make it sound like everybody I meant 'those that have a problem with Christians not specifying I believe before every thing they say.

Shih-tzumama · Jul 30, 2008, 06:41 AM

Atheists try to disprove the existence of God. Deep down they believe God exists or they wouldn't try so hard to disprove Him.

N0help4u · Jul 30, 2008, 06:59 AM

Originally Posted by Shih-tzumama

Atheists try to disprove the existance of God. Deep down they believe God exists or they wouldnt try so hard to disprove Him.

I can't wait to read what Cred0 does with this one :D
(some how I already KNOW what he will do with it :rolleyes: :rolleyes: )

sassyT · Jul 30, 2008, 07:52 AM

Originally Posted by ordinaryguy

Yes, of course it is what she believes, but your constant repetition of this obvious and uncontested fact, has long since ceased to contribute anything substantive to the discussion. Give it a rest, please.

Seventh!

sassyT · Jul 30, 2008, 08:01 AM

Originally Posted by WVHiflyer

Why do religionists feel they need to attack non-believers wherever they find them? I only can think of one who regularly displays open hostility to the religious. The vast majority simply want to discuss. Why is a discusion seen as an attack?

Religious people do not attack non believers... But when non believers come on a religious forum and make condescending demeaning remarks about religion then you best to expect we believers are not going to take the abuse and be silent about it. After all.. it is you so called non-religious people who come on the religious forum day in day out.. it is not the other way round.