[Credendovidis]

Why should I say "I believe"?

You should start with "I believe" when you make a claim.
A (religious) claim !

CLAIM : a statement that proposes a view, property, or quality, without being accompanied by objective supported evidence to support that claim as correct.

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[N0help4u]

Why because YOU can not speak for other peoples intents that they are not doing it because they are offended. That is YOUR conclusion. Since you don't see why they should or would do it because they are offended it means that you conclude without all the facts. That is why.:rolleyes:

[Allheart]

Cred,

You have been blessed with superior intelligence that I for one can not nor would I want to keep up with.

But here is the thing... faith is a sprituality, that comes from your inner spirit, it's not to be laid out with a logical thought process. So your crusade to be shown proof, in a logical
Way, may never bear the fruit for which you seek.

[Credendovidis]

... You have been blessed with

My intelligence is not at stake here. We were discussing why a wild (religious) claim should be preceded by "I believe". Please do not try to change that subject, once you realize that your arguments are based logical quicksand.

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And good news for many here : I will be out for a couple of days with my grandchildren on holidays.

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[Allheart]

My intelligence is not at stake here. We were discussing why a wild (religious) claim should be preceded by "I believe". Please do not try to change that subject, once you realize that your arguments are based logical quicksand.

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And good news for many here : I will be out for a couple of days with my grandchildren on holidays.

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Cred, what did you eat nails for breakfast :). Yikes. I wasn't trying to change the topic, just trying to explain to you...

Enjoy the grandchildren.

[Credendovidis]

Cred, what did you eat nails for breakfast :). Yikes. I wasn't trying to change the topic, just trying to explain to you... Enjoy the grandchildren.

If I need any explanation I will ask for that... see you own previous post about IQ...

And thanks for your wish : I will ! :)

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[Allheart]

Cred -

What is it about Christians that you so dislike? There appears to be a great deal of upset
That comes from you, why is that?

[Credendovidis]

Cred - What is it about Christians that you so dislike? There appears to be a great deal of upset that comes from you, why is that?

TOTAL NONSENSE !!!

I do not dislike Christianity at all. My partner is a Christian for many decades, and I support her all the way in anything she wants, including support in her many religious activities. And over the years many Bishops and Archbishops have been been guests at our house, shared supper with us, drank our wine, and enjoyed our company.

I dislike those who try to change the subject once they feel or realize to have lost the argument.
I also dislike those who make (religious) claims they refuse to support, but still keep claiming they are "right".
And I dislike those who start posting cr*p when they get p*ssed after feeling or realizing that they just lost the argument.

If the shoe fits...

:rolleyes:

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[Allheart]

One thing I do not argue about is religion and/or God's love.

Religion isn't a topic for "argument" - to prove wrong or right, but to openly discuss.

That's the way I see it.

[tsila1777]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Allheart
Cred - What is it about Christians that you so dislike? There appears to be a great deal of upset that comes from you, why is that?
TOTAL NONSENSE !!!

I do not dislike Christianity at all. My partner is a Christian for many decades, and I support her all the way in anything she wants, including support in her many religious activities. And over the years many Bishops and Archbishops have been been guests at our house, shared supper with us, drank our wine, and enjoyed our company.

I dislike those who try to change the subject once they feel or realize to have lost the argument.
I also dislike those who make (religious) claims they refuse to support, but still keep claiming they are "right".
And I dislike those who start posting cr*p when they get p*ssed after feeling or realizing that they just lost the argument.

If the shoe fits ...what size do you wear Cred? LOL

Cred. if you will note the original topic was: If someone does not believe in salvation, that does not make it untrue. Just as believing in salvation does not make it true. And if neither can be proven then how is one to decide what to believe?

I do not know whom or when it got so off topic, but if you will also note, in # 50, I tried to get back on topic and even went into more detail as to what I was asking. Also please note above the answer box it says "Answer this Question. So you and yours have been off topic for this entire board.

Don't go away mad, just go away...that was a joke...enjoy your grandkids, take more than a few days, take a week. They grow up so fast you should not miss a minute with them.

peace dear one,

[tsila1777]

Cred, I see in #5 you did notice the question, and even agreed it was a good question, but you answered it with another question. What is it they say about people who do that?

Seriously, I want to know. Anyone?

[Credendovidis]

What is it they say about people who do that? Seriously, I want to know. Anyone?

My reaction #88 was to a statement by Allheart, completely with quotation to ensure that everyone would understand that.

Yes : I agreed that YOUR question was a good question.
But does that mean one may not address other statements made in this topic ?

What is it they say about people who post replies like the one you did here?
Seriously, I want to know. Anyone?

"Sieg Heil" ? "Jawohl Herr Ober Truppen Anfuhrer" ?

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PS : from tomorrow I'm out for a couple of days with my grandchildren. So time enough for you to table all your frustrations , while you can...

:D :D :D :D :D

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[tsila1777]

My reaction #88 was to a statement by Allheart, completely with quotation to ensure that everyone would understand that.

Yes : I agreed that YOUR question was a good question.
But does that mean one may not address other statements made in this topic ?

What is it they say about people who post replies like the one you did here?
Seriously, I want to know. Anyone?

"Sieg Heil" ? "Jawohl Herr Ober Truppen Anfuhrer" ?


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PS : from tomorrow I'm out for a couple of days with my grandchildren. So time enough for you to table all your frustrations , while you can ....



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I am not the one who is frustrated here. Why would you assume that?:confused:

Why is it that the best you can come up with is to repeat what the former poster says?

Can't you come up with anything original?

Why do you make statements that have no basic of proof? But only what you believe to be true.


Why do never answer a direct question?

Are you so afraid of failure?


I grade on the curve. :p:p

[savedsinner7]

Not so. Because prayer does not belong in schools, other than in personal silent reflection. Schools are to teach people. Churches are for religious activities.


Not so. Because prayer is a personal activity, a personal silent time of reflection. Churches are for religious activities.

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Sorry to disappoint you, but I pray out loud. Sometimes very loud. Sometimes I yell.

[tsila1777]

Amen!!

[savedsinner7]

I also pray in public.

[savedsinner7]

And who said where prayer belongs and doesn't belong? I never said it doesn't belong in school. I was always better off praying before a test.

[Credendovidis]

Sorry to disappoint you, but I pray out loud. Sometimes very loud. Sometimes I yell.

What you personally do is not my concern, although you do not seem to be very tolerant towards people with different religious or non-religious views.
All I stated was that as far schools are concerned "prayer is a personal activity, a personal silent time of reflection."

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[savedsinner7]

Prayer is much more than just a personal thing.

We are called to pray for this nation.

2 Chronicles 7:14
if My people who are called by My name will humble themselves, and pray and seek My face, and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin and heal their land.

We are called to teach the Word to children.

Deuteronomy 4:9
Only take heed to yourself, and diligently keep yourself, lest you forget the things your eyes have seen, and lest they depart from your heart all the days of your life. And teach them to your children and your grandchildren,


Romans 12:9
Don't just pretend to love others. Really love them. Hate what is wrong. Hold tightly to what is good.

God is good. Humans are not. Human understanding will fade and God's wisdom will not. I have to reject that which does not line up with the Word of God. Many things that I used to believe do not line up. I used to believe in many different religions, world views and found that nothing can stand in the Light of God's Word.

Hebrews 4:12
For the word of God is alive and powerful. It is sharper than the sharpest two-edged sword, cutting between soul and spirit, between joint and marrow. It exposes our innermost thoughts and desires.


And also,

2 Corinthians 10:5
casting down arguments and every high thing that exalts itself against the knowledge of God, bringing every thought into captivity to the obedience of Christ,

I tried to run from Him. It doesn't work when He decides He wants you.

[tsila1777]

2 Chronicles 7:14
if My people who are called by My name will humble themselves, and pray and seek My face, and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin and heal their land.

Saved... I do not like savedsinner... you were a sinner, now you are saved, holy unto God the Father, washed in the Blood of Jesus, made the righteousness of God...

but that wasn't what I was going to say... We need this so much. We need God to heal our land. Good post.

God bless and keep you, child of God, beloved and precious in His sight.