[ChihuahuaMomma]

I realize this. But the WOMAN still needs the MAN in order to do this. You know what I'm saying. The woman cannot ]on her own have a child. And vice versa. It's artificially done. Not naturally.

And everyone shares the city for the other 364.

No, she needs his seed. Not him. So, by this theory are you against c-section and/or epedoral during birth because it's artificial and not natural? That's not a good argument for someone's life.

[erin7799]

Without HIM there is no SEED. So technically, there is a HIM out there somewhere that SHE NEEDS. Because she needs something from HIM in order to make it happen.

[erin7799]

Were you serious about the whole c-section and epidural comment? Now you're just getting silly. Those are two totally different "un-naturals". How you need a man to conceive and having an epidural?

[ChihuahuaMomma]

Yes, but she does not need him as a person in her life. Do you understand what I'm trying to say to you? Men don't need women (in their life or relationship) in order to have children. And same for women. And please, spare me the lecture about gay parents raising gay children, because I'm sure you believe that as well.

[ChihuahuaMomma]

Were you serious about the whole c-section and epidural comment? Now you're just getting silly. Those are two totally different "un-naturals". How you need a man to concieve and having an epidural?

You were the one arguing what's natural and unnatural. If you diagree with anything "unnatural" then you can't be prejudice. It's all or nothing.

[erin7799]

Was I lecturing you about gay parenting? Nope. Never brought it up. So today was your lucky day! I was a single mother for a long time. I had no men in my life. I know you don't need a man to parent. Conception. That's what I'm talking about. Nor did I say that homosexuals aren't good parents. Just because I don't believe in who they choose to sleep with doesn't mean I think they're bad parents. Or people in general. I just have a hard time thinking that it's OK.

[erin7799]

This is why I said I was done with this. Because I feel the way that I do, you're going to argue that I'm wrong. Me and everyone else who believes that homosexuality is wrong. I kept trying to unsubscribe to this stupid post and it keeps emailing it to me and the temptation is too much! But why is it that it's not OK for me to feel that way? Why is it OK for you to feel the way that you do? If I'm not right then are you? And what makes you right then and not me?

[ChihuahuaMomma]

Fortunately they don't need you approving of who they choose to sleep with, as you don't need their approval of who you choose to sleep with. Just because you don't think its OK, doesn't mean that it's wrong. I don't think having a child outside of marriage is OK, but does that mean that it's wrong? No. I was conceived outside marriage.

[ChihuahuaMomma]

This is why I said I was done with this. Because I feel the way that I do, you're going to argue that I'm wrong. Me and everyone else who believes that homosexuality is wrong. I kept trying to unsubscribe to this stupid post and it keeps emailing it to me and the temptation is too much! But why is it that it's not ok for me to feel that way? Why is it ok for you to feel the way that you do? If I'm not right then are you? And what makes you right then and not me?

There is no right and wrong on opinions, if you can't unsubscribe, email curlyben and ask him for help.

[margog85]

I've seen gay pride parades before and it is the gays who are offensively dressed (if they are dressed at all) and it is the gays who carry offensive signs with offensive literature.

Offensive signs? Like 'marriage now?' and 'my family deserves equal rights'? And what offensive literature? Such as.. And as I've said before, it's a parade, a celebration... look at Mardi Gras... Fat Tuesday... a celebration before the holy season of Lent- is that something completely pure? I think not.

The question can easily be asked of you. Why do you feel that gays may impose their beliefs on others?

If following a parade with megaphones and signs is imposition of beliefs, what is the parade itself?

Seems to me that you are simply angered by freedom of expression when the ideas being expressed are not those with which you agree.

No one is imposing their beliefs by having a parade. The parade, as I've said before if you read the entire thread before posting, is a celebration of who we are and a commemoration of the Stone Wall riots of the 60's.

[QUOTE=De Maria}The rest of your post can be ignored. It is simply a rant from someone who wants all people to agree with her views.[/QUOTE]

You cannot ignore what you disagree with. It is not a rant, I was expressing how I felt, looking for feedback from others and a discussion, and that is what has been going on here. Your confrontational, condescending, and argumentative tone are not welcome on this thread. I've been very open and honest about how I feel here- and other people have recognized that and been appreciative of the open dialogue. Please do not come here and try to stir something up.

If you live in the USA, the Constitution gives you the right to express what you believe is right and what you believe is wrong.

If you believe that homosexuality is right, then you don't have to be a homosexual to believe so. Simply hold your belief.

As for me, I believe it is wrong. And I reserve the right to say so whenever I wish. It is my right guaranteed by the Constitution.

You can express it, I'm not saying that you can't. Again, if you read what I wrote, I didn't say they didn't have the right to do so- but that it seemed like more of a self-righteous effort than one truly concerned with 'saving' anyone.

I don't understand what you mean by 'if you believe that homosexuality is right, then you don't have to be a homosexual to believe so'- no one ever said anyone had to be gay- what are you talking about here?

You can say what you like when you wish, no one said you should be deprived of the ability to do so. But realize that it hurts people who do not deserve to be hurt, that it is inappropriate in certain situations, and that although you may have the 'right' to say what you wish, it doesn't mean you should.

No you don't. The largest part of your message is simply a rant against those who don't believe what you believe. And we've had this discussion before anyway.

Again, not just a rant, and I am offended that you would reduce my emotions and my attempt to share what I'm thinking/feeling about something that is important to me to a 'rant' that doesn't deserve anyone to pay anymind. That cannot be the 'christian' way, can it?

De Maria, your negativity is not welcome here- please change your tone, or start your own thread. This IS a discussion- again, if you read the entire post before interjecting your 2 cents, you'd see that.

[WVHiflyer]

I can't seem to stop myself. If a woman and a woman were meant to be together, then why do they need a man to have a child? And vice versa?

...People get offended when they think that a christian/heterosexual, etc...is trying to impose their beliefs onto them by not agreeing with what they're doing. Yet, it's ok to impose what they believe to be right onto us. And society is far more accepting of them by silencing us and allowing them to run the city for a day. Though they choose not to see it that way.

..And everyone shares the city for the other 364..

Actually they're quickly coming to the point where they don't need sperm but just joining eggs. Only drawback (?) is that all the ofspring would be female.

But this is besides the point. Homosexuals are a legitimate minority. The same app 10% rate occurs in all 'races' and even in the animal world. I submit that it is, therefore, 'natural,' just different. If it was so against God's plan, why would he make homosexual animals since they don't have a sense of so-called morality?

So the point is that they aren't trying to 'impose' but merely be recognized as a minority denied the same civil rights as most others. They're just more flamboyant about it than other groups seeking the same thing.

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[erin7799]

Ok. Live Well, All! :)

[rockerchick_682]

margog the issue is that you will not open your mind to some truth, you want it your way because you want your way period, And no homosexuality can not be interpreted many ways it is plain that it is wrong, the trouble is that you don't want to admit that you can be wrong, and that unless your way is "right" everyone else has to change thier way of thinking and in the end you want to force everyone to accept your beleif. In fact you are more guilty of forcing than those you are talking about
And in the end, moral values are and should be a consistant value. Those that see peverted sexual desires are moral are just wrong in every sense but if they wish to do thier own desires, it should not be forced on others to have to view, accept and be given special levels.

I really think you should take your own advice for your religious views. Why do you assume that when two people of the same sex are together that it's all for perverted sex? Why is it wrong for two people who truly love each other to be together? What makes you think that because YOU believe something that you have the right to influence other people's lives? Why waste your time on something that's NEVER going to change? People can't change WHO they are and what they feel!

Just look at the evidence! I'm seen so much research that disproves the fact that being gay is a choice. Even in the studies of hardcore catholics that force people into being straight have loop-holes.

Believe what you want to believe, live the way you want to live, but NEVER think that you can decide for others.

[Credendovidis]

I really think you should take your own advice for your religious views.

Excellent response ! :)

Believe what you want to believe, live the way you want to live, but NEVER think that you can decide for others.

Hear , hear , hear!!

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

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[tsila1777]

One’s sexual life is a private matter, whether you chose to be gay or not. So, why do gays like to advertise it? Why do many gay women try to look, dress, walk and act like men?

However, it is my belief :rolleyes:that gay people are demon possessed, just my opinion, based on my belief in the Holy Bible. And, it is in the New Testament:
24Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:

25Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

26For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:

27And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

28And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;

29Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,

30Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,

31Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:

32Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.




Believe what you want to believe, live the way you want to live, but don't try to make others approve of it by acting so perverted. That's not the way to win friends and influence people. $0.2

Hear hear hear:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

[NeedKarma]

Ah yes, "the devil made them do it" - that certainly absolves one from personal responsibity.

[tsila1777]

No, they were tempted and fell. No excuse. They could repent and be saved. Repent means to stop what you are doing and go the other way. The devil can't make anyone do anything unless they are willing to follow him.

[ChihuahuaMomma]

Well, if that's the case then fine, but isn't lusting after someone just as much a sin? SO, if a homosexual repents and says "I'm not going to be gay anymore", he's okay? He's saved? But he'll be thinking it, all the time. It's who he is. He didn't choose to be this way, he was born this way. He will be attracted to, have thoughts of men, and fantasies. So, really, what's the point of apologizing to God for being born the way he was?

[NeedKarma]

No, they were tempted and fell. No excuse. They could repent and be saved. Repent means to stop what you are doing and go the other way. The devil can't make anyone do anything unless they are willing to follow him.

But you said the were "demon possesed", that doesn't sound like someone doing something willfully.

[rockerchick_682]

So you would agree that straight people also advertise being straight by dressing the way they do.

Gay people dress the way they do because that's how they WANT to dress, not to advertise themselves.

So if people advertise their sexuality by the way they dress, and you believe they should hide, then why doesn't every straight person in the world dress like a gay person to hide their preferences. Why doesn't every priest in the world goth it up and throw on some anarchy symbols!

This is so ridiculous! UGH!. I need some bubble wrap