[numberguru]

Retail businesses in a Triple Net Lease are responsible for reimbursement of expenses for building maintenance and upkeep, which is split based on square footage of leased space with all lessees. When the property management claims gross operating revenue, is this revenue before the deducting the reimbursed expenses or does it include the reimbursed expenses as part of the revenue.

This question is asked because the property management company is claiming the reimbursement as income to base their 5% management fees on.

In my opinion the Gross Operating Revenue should only be based on all other income, which includes rental income. I feel that the reimbursed expenses should be deducted before the management fees are calculated, since 5% of '0' is 0.

My question is which revenue should the management fees be based on: the gross operating revenue less reimbursed expenses or gross operating revenue including the reimbursement of the expenses?

[morgaine300]

Well, I can't see a contract to know exactly what's going on here, nor am I a lawyer, which is what you maybe really need for this case.

However, if this is truly a reimbursement, it isn't income or expense. It's a reimbursement. As these expenditures are made, they could all be put into a receivable from the leasees, and then the pro-rating done at month-end or whenever, and when they get the money back, take it off the receivable. I actually work for a property management company once, but can't recall how they even handled this.

If they had some legitimate reason to count this as income (say, it's not a true reimbursement), I think it would be pretty jerky of them to count it as income for the sake of the 5% management fees. Those fees should be based on operating revenues.

That's my opinion. If you are personally involved and have a disagreement, I seriously mean it when I say you should probably go the legal forum and ask someone there. You've really got more of a legal question than an accounting question. They don't necessarily coincide. (If I'm blackmailing my neighbor, accounting says I could count that as "other" income, but it doesn't make it legal. Drug dealers are only allowed to count cost of goods sold as an expense on their taxes. Isn't that a hoot?)

[numberguru]

Retail businesses in a Triple Net Lease are responsible for reimbursement of expenses for building maintenance and upkeep, which is split based on square footage of leased space with all lessees. When the property management claims gross operating revenue, is this revenue before the deducting the reimbursed expenses or does it include the reimbursed expenses as part of the revenue.

This question is asked because the property management company is claiming the reimbursement as income to base their 5% management fees on.

In my opinion the Gross Operating Revenue should only be based on all other income, which includes rental income. I feel that the reimbursed expenses should be deducted before the management fees are calculated, since 5% of '0' is 0.

My question is which revenue should the management fees be based on: the gross operating revenue less reimbursed expenses or gross operating revenue including the reimbursement of the expenses?

"Quote Morgaine 300"

Well, I can't see a contract to know exactly what's going on here, nor am I a lawyer, which is what you maybe really need for this case.

However, if this is truly a reimbursement, it isn't income or expense. It's a reimbursement. As these expenditures are made, they could all be put into a receivable from the leasees, and then the pro-rating done at month-end or whenever, and when they get the money back, take it off the receivable. I actually work for a property management company once, but can't recall how they even handled this.

If they had some legitimate reason to count this as income (say, it's not a true reimbursement), I think it would be pretty jerky of them to count it as income for the sake of the 5% management fees. Those fees should be based on operating revenues.

That's my opinion. If you are personally involved and have a disagreement, I seriously mean it when I say you should probably go the legal forum and ask someone there. You've really got more of a legal question than an accounting question. They don't necessarily coincide. (If I'm blackmailing my neighbor, accounting says I could count that as "other" income, but it doesn't make it legal. Drug dealers are only allowed to count cost of goods sold as an expense on their taxes. Isn't that a hoot?)

[JudyKayTee]

This should be added to your other post; otherwise, it makes no sense.

Is this homework or a legitimate business question - ?

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[numberguru]

This is a legitimate business question.

[JudyKayTee]

This is a legitimate business question.

Something very similar has been posted before, I think on the tax or financial board. Maybe in the Fall - ?

If you search I think you can find it.