[Ahmadiyya]

IS JESUS GOD?

That is my question, now as a christian you are thaught that The Prophet Isa(jesus) is the "son of god". In the bible it says that we are all the son of god in many verssus. Now if The Prophet Isa is god what makes him any better then the Prophet Adam? Why do you think that The Prophet Isa is god? So to sum it up my queastions to you are.

1. Why do you think The Prophet Isa(jesus) is god?

2. Why is he better then The Prophet Adam?

3. Why is it that if you accept The Prophet Isa as your savior you will enter heaven?

:D Lets see what you know

[Fr_Chuck]

1. From the Bible

2. Adam was not a prophet

3. Jesus came as the final sacrifice to redeam and pay the price for the sin in our lives.

And no the bible does not say we are all sons of God in the same matter and phasing. Even the Quran accepts Jesus as a great prophet and even accepts his virgin birth.

[Ahmadiyya]

I did not say that he was not born of a virgin by the blessings of Allah that is how he was born. But The Holy Quran also says that no Prophet is better then another, and that Allah has no equal and does not begot and can not be begoten. Adam is not a prophet in your dogma but in The Holy Quran he is and even if lets say he is not then why is it that no one praises him even though he is the son of god, god blow breath in his body so he is gods son in the eyes of man right? So why not praise him like The Prophet Isa? And if we must sacrifice prophets for god to forgive our sins then that is not a very nice and mercifal god now is he? Allah does not put man on earth to die for man that is stupid! And if that is the case then we need a prophet now cause we got sins galor

[Fr_Chuck]

No, Adam is merely man, we are all sons of God ( adopted) if we are his followers. A prophet would in basics need to have some evidence of being a prophet, But he has been seen as a symbol or forerunner of Jesus.

And even in the Quran, I believe they look forward to a angel or spirit of light that will come in the end. I have always believed that Jesus would have been that light.

[RickJ]

IS JESUS GOD?

That is my question, now as a christian you are thaught that The Prophet Isa(jesus) is the "son of god". In the bible it says that we are all the son of god in many verssus. Now if The Prophet Isa is god what makes him any better then the Prophet Adam? Why do you think that The Prophet Isa is god? so to sum it up my queastions to you are.

1. Why do you think The Prophet Isa(jesus) is god?

2. Why is he better then The Prophet Adam?

3. Why is it that if you accept The Prophet Isa as your savior you will enter heaven?

:D Lets see what you know

Well, for one Adam was not a prophet... but anyway, there are countless prophets buried all over this planet, but one showed his Divinity by rising from the dead.

[Krs]

I did not say that he was not born of a virgin by the blessings of Allah that is how he was born. But The Holy Quran also says that no Prophet is better then another, and that Allah has no equal and does not begot and can not be begoten. Adam is not a prophet in your dogma but in The Holy Quran he is and even if lets say he is not then why is it that no one praises him even though he is the son of god, god blow breath in his body so he is gods son in the eyes of man right? so why not praise him like The Prophet Isa? And if we must sacrafice prophets for god to forgive our sins then that is not a very nice and mercifal god now is he? Allah does not put man on earth to die for man that is stupid! and if that is the case then we need a prophet now cause we got sins galor

Im sorry - this all closed mindness at its best.
You quoted "allah does not put man on earth to die for man that is stupid!" so why are there all these muslim suicide bomers killing themselves and humanity for the name of allah??
Once I read in your Quran - "allah says - who isnt muslim, is enemy"
That explains everything!

[Starman]

The Holy Quran he is and even if lets say he is not then why is it that no one praises him even though he is the son of god, god blow breath in his body so he is gods son in the eyes of man right?

Good question!

Adam was the son of God, true, but Adam sinned and in that way became a rebel alongside Satan.

Genesis 3:

4And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:

5For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.

6And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat. KJV


In contrast, Jesus did not sin and resisted Satan's temptations.


Matthew 4 (King James Version)
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Matthew 4
1Then was Jesus led up of the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil.

2And when he had fasted forty days and forty nights, he was afterward an hungred.

3And when the tempter came to him, he said, If thou be the Son of God, command that these stones be made bread.

4But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.

5Then the devil taketh him up into the holy city, and setteth him on a pinnacle of the temple,

6And saith unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down: for it is written, He shall give his angels charge concerning thee: and in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone.

7Jesus said unto him, It is written again, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God.

8Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them;

9And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me.

10Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve. KJV

So it is not being god's son which merits praise.
It is faithfulness.

Remember, the angels which rebelled during Noah's days were once sons as well and they too were unfaithful and deserve no praise.

[Krs]

Religion to me is all down to faith nothing more and nothing less.
If you don't have faith then u can't believe.

[RickJ]

My angle is a bit different. I think that solid evidence shows that
1. there was a Creator, and
2. that He has personally revealed himself to us.

#1 is a matter of science and #2 is a matter of History, Archaeology and Epigraphy.

After the reality of these two are shown, then I think Faith is easy.

[Krs]

Im not a strong follower of religion myself, I have my believes but to a certain extent.
RickJ - Maybe I'm limited with my beliefs because I don't have so much faith and you probably have more than me, so you find it easy to believe what we don't see.
Hope that made sense :)

[Ahmadiyya]

People say they can't believe in the unseen, but you believe in the unseen every day. You believe that air is there, you believe that you have a soul, some believe in aliens, some believe in bigfoot and stuff like that, these are all things that are unseen but still people believe in them. Faith is only believeing in the unseen

[Krs]

People say they can't beleive in the unseen, but you beleive in the unseen every day. You believe that air is there, you believe that you have a soul, some believe in aliens, some believe in bigfoot and stuff like that, these are all things that are unseen but still people believe in them. Faith is only believeing in the unseen

You may have a slight point, but of course we believe there is air to breathe, otherwise how can all of us be here standing and living on earth.
That's common sense NOT faith!

[Ahmadiyya]

But it is faith, the only reason you think there is air cause science tells you this. Science has showed us that there is air and that is how we live from the carbon in the air and so on and so forth. With out science people had know idea how they were living and science has been shown to be wrong. The true point of that statement is that everyday of live we believe in the unseen things of this planet, The Holy Quran says " this is a book for the people who believe in the unseen". Another point is how can you define common sense, you are assuming that all people are born with this? That is a false statement, are you saying that all people have a common amount of sense when growing up? That to is false since in other countries the people are smarter or stupider.First you must define common sense and then define faith in the unseen to get the essence of what I'm saying.

[Krs]

Science proved that there is carbon dioxide on this planet which is the air that we breathe.
If there is NO air there is no human race.
Believing that there is air on this planet is hardly the way to compare it to having faith in God.

Religion faith is a strong belief in a supernatural power or powers that control human destiny; firm belief in something for which there is no proof; complete trust

[NeedKarma]

First you must define common sense and then define faith in the unseen to get the essence of what im saying.

Here's your definition of common sense:Common sense - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Faith is indeed belief in something unseen and unproven.

Science has indeed proven that air exists. Science is sometimes wrong because new knowledge comes about that disproves a previous experiment. The thing about science is that its findings are reproduceable by anyone.

Any other semantics you want to debate?

[Krs]

I tried to comment on your post NeedKarma but I need to spread reputation round.
Well just to say that I totally agree with you.

[kp2171]

But it is faith, the only reason you think there is air cause science tells you this. Science has showed us that there is air and that is how we live from the carbon in the air and so on and so forth. With out science people had know idea how they were living and science has been shown to be wrong.

Yes. Science can be wrong. It is a human invention.

Lets test it. You want to volunteer to get in a vacuum chamber, well pump out all of the invisible, faith-based "air thingies"? Then well talk in, oh, five minutes?

You cannot see gravity. It is a force. Want to step off a cliff?

By the way, I'm much more partial to the oxygen in the air, not so much the carbon, but then I'm not a plant.

I know its not your point. You just need to be careful in your arguments. Ramble in the wrong direction or with bad or poorly developed analogies and your point gets lost.

[TxGreaseMonkey]

Jesus is God and His resurrection proved it. This is clear from John 1:1, where it says, "In the beginning was the Word (Jesus), and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." Jesus' claim in John 10:30, "I and the Father are one," is the very reason He was crucified. John Greenleaf, professor emeritus, Harvard Law School, and who made Harvard famous, was considered the foremost expert in the world on evidence. His students challenged him to review all the evidence concerning the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus Christ and determine if it was fact or fiction. Later that semester, he told his students that if the evidence on the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus Christ was presented in any unbiased courtroom in the world that it would be accepted as absolute fact. Accordingly, Prof. Greenleaf became a Christian.

[magprob]

It comes from the heart. You can feel Jesus so strong in your heart and it is a personal revelation-you just know that he is the son of GOD and your savior. Until you come to that point-keep arguing about it!