[N0help4u]

I corrected that **probably while you were typing your reply**
BUT it is still what he believes based on his scientific beliefs and
It IS different than your scientific beliefs SO your beliefs do differ.

[N0help4u]

[QUOTE=sassyT]

I have a bachelors degree DUH!
:rolleyes:

You lied then :rolleyes:

[sassyT]

[QUOTE=N0help4u]

You lied then :rolleyes:

Lol.. I guess credo is confused again.. I have a bachelors degree already and am currently working on my Masters.

[Credendovidis]

I have a bachelors degree already and am currently working on my Masters.

No, I am not confused. But I only can base my approach on the statements you post on this website...
So can you tell me on which "Biology Nursery School" (and when) you obtained that bachelors degree? Any specifications?

:D :rolleyes: :p ;) :rolleyes: :D

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[lobrobster]

[QUOTE=sassyT]

okey so based on your "logic" and "ratio" how did the universe and life come into being?

Why do you think this is a question that must be answered at this time? What's wrong with, 'I don't know'?

Scientists are working on it. In the meantime, the best answer is that no one is sure about first cause. And that's my biggest problem with many religious people. They arrogantly imagine that they are VERY sure about questions, which no one could possibly have the answer to. You won't trust educated scientists using state of the art instruments, but you'll believe a 2000 year old book written by men who didn't even know the shape of the planet they were standing on. Go figure.

[lobrobster]

I think evolution is a farce given the strugling fossil evidence and the fact that a not single mutation resulting in adding new information has ever been observed in nature or in a lab. This is just one of the many unproven assuption the theory depends on.

Even if there wasn't a single fossil to go on, the evidence for evolution is overwhelming! I honestly don't know how you are about to become a biologist, but you should keep these ridiculous assertions to yourself. Otherwise, you are sure to be laughed out of the workplace. That is, if you somehow manage to land a job in this field in the first place (which you almost certainly won't if you spout this kind of stuff to a prospective employer).

[N0help4u]

True very true with many careers you have to keep your personal beliefs to yourself and go along with the status quo unless you can find a job in your field that follows your same belief system.

[NeedKarma]

True very true with many careers you have to keep your personal beliefs to yourself and go along with the status quo unless you can find a job in your field that follows your same belief system.

So as a biologist it's OK for sassy to assert that all species of animals and plants arrived on earth at the same time? What kind of job does one get as a biologist with that mindset?

[sassyT]

Why do you think this is a question that must be answered at this time? What's wrong with, 'I don't know'?

If Credo doesn't know he should just admit and say so... instead of claiming that a big bang created the universe. :rolleyes:

Scientists are working on it. In the meantime, the best answer is that no one is sure about first cause.

Good, so if you are not even sure why do you expect me to believe in an unproven big bang theory?

And that's my biggest problem with many religious people. They arrogantly imagine that they are VERY sure about questions, which no one could possibly have the answer to.

I don't have the answers but I have faith in a God I know exists based on my personal experience with him. If you don't believe in him, fine, I couldn't care less.. believe me... but just leave us believers alone. Don't come on religious forums to promote your own faith in unproven scientific theories and try and pass them off as facts.
I know everything there is to know about evolution and the big bang and I know it enough about it to know that there are a lot of scientific problems with the theories that make their validity virtually impossible.
The only thing holding theses tattered theories together, is desperate athiests like yourself who want to hold on to the notion, despite lack of evidence, because the alternive (God) is not acceptable to your athiestic doctrine.

You won't trust educated scientists using state of the art instruments, but you'll believe a 2000 year old book written by men who didn't even know the shape of the planet they were standing on. Go figure.

Yes you are right I don't share the same trust and faith you have in scientific theories that have not been proven to be TRUE. I do however have faith in a God who used over 40 different men who lived in totally different times and locations, and yet came up with a word that was consistent.

And just as an FYI the Bible, thousands of years ago, had already established that the earth was spherical in the book of psalms, while scientists just a few hundred years ago were afraid to fall off the edge of the earth.
Scientists are only now beginning to catch up with scientific principles the Bible had already established THOUSANDS of years ago.

[jillianleab]

So as a biologist it's ok for sassy to assert that all species of animals and plants arrived on earth at the same time? What kind of job does one get as a biologist with that mindset?

I think the bigger question is, why would one want to become a biologist with that mindset? :confused:

Maybe I should become a nun...

[NeedKarma]

I think the bigger question is, why would one want to become a biologist with that mindset? :confused:

Maybe I should become a nun...

I'm on my way to teaching others about the benefits of religion. I'm currently getting a PhD in Religious studies.

[sassyT]

I think the bigger question is, why would one want to become a biologist with that mindset? :confused:

Maybe I should become a nun...

Lol... As far as I remember believing in a mythical one cell creature that crawls out of a promordial vegie soup and morphs into everything we see today, is not a prerequisite to being a biologist. :D

[lobrobster]

True very true with many careers you have to keep your personal beliefs to yourself and go along with the status quo unless you can find a job in your field that follows your same belief system.

But biology and evolution are NOT belief systems, no matter how hard and often you insist that they are.

[sassyT]

But biology and evolution are NOT belief systems, no matter how hard and often you insist that they are.

Biology is not a Belief because it consists of studies done on things that can be observed tested and repeated... but the evolution is a belief system.

[N0help4u]

But biology and evolution are NOT belief systems, no matter how hard and often you insist that they are.

Did I say they were the same thing??
I have no idea how you managed to twist that when all I was doing was agreeing with you
Therefore you must be contradicting yourself,
Seems to me you must be saying they are the same thing then

[sassyT]

Did I say they were the same thing????

I don't know why these Darwinists like to quate evolution with Biology. :rolleyes:
It is not the same thing.

[NeedKarma]

I dont know why these Darwinists like to quate evolution with Biology. :rolleyes:
it is not the same thing.

Very intertwined:
Graduate Biology Program

[michealb]

Sassy you also never answered my question about the fact that evolution has been proven in a lab. If you are now going to change your line of thinking or are you going to ignore evidence and go with your religious ideas instead?
Bacteria make major evolutionary shift in the lab - life - 09 June 2008 - New Scientist

[lobrobster]

Good, so if you are not even sure why do you expect me to believe in an unproven big bang theory?

I don't expect you to believe in the big bang. I'm not sure what I believe about it (so, I don't know is my answer). I do however, trust what leading scientists say. There are now several different theories some having to do with multi-verses and 11 dimensions. My stance is wait and see. It's also possible we may never have an answer to first cause or a-biogenesis.

I don't have the answers but I have faith in a God I know exists based on my personal experience with him.

There you go again. You don't know God exists. You have faith God exists. To claim that you have some definitive knowledge or experience that no one else has, is arrogant. This knowledge and experience you speak of, has somehow slipped by the millions and millions of Muslims, Jews, Hindus, atheists, etc.

but just leave us believers alone. Don't come on religious forums to promote your own faith in unproven scientific theories and try and pass them off as facts.

I have no problem leaving people like yourself alone. You are obviously proud of your ignorance and wear it like a badge of honor. There is nothing I or anyone else can do for you. But there are some (including myself), who seek to move beyond our ignorance and I certainly will not sit idly by while you try and dumb down these people with your incorrect and uneducated rants.

You say you are studying to become a scientist, yet don't even understand the purpose or process of science. Nothing is ever proven in science. If you need to PROVE things then take up mathematics. Science is about finding the best possible theories to explain things. This is done through making predictions and trying to falsify previous theories. So far, evolution is the best possible explanation for the diversity of life and has yet to make a single bad prediction or be falsified.

Seriously Sassy, you are exposing yourself to be a charlatan. It is incredibly doubtful that you know anything about science, let alone studying to work in the scientific field of biology.

[sassyT]

[QUOTE]

I have no problem leaving people like yourself who seem to be proud of their ignorance alone. But there are some (including myself), who to move beyond their own ignorance. I certainly will not sit idly by while you try and dumb down other people with your uneducated rants.

lol why do You equate my disbelief in the validity of such unproven thoeries like the big bang with ignorance... lol i don't get it. If you took time out and did some research instead of just taking everything you are fed at face value, you would actually find that there are many scientific problems with the theory that make it virtually impossible.
LIke i said before i am not ignorant about these subjects, i have studied this at great length and have come to the conclusion that the likely hood of them occurring is zero. So i just don't believe in them. You do. I don't! Why does that bother you? :confused: :rolleyes:

You are becoming a scientist and don't even understand that you do NOT try and PROVE things with science! Nothing is ever proven in science. If you want to PROVE things take up mathematics. Science it about find the best possible theories to explain things. This is done through making predictions and trying to falsify previous theories.

That is not true. Science is the effort to discover, understand, or to understand better, how the physical world works, with observable physical evidence as the basis of that understanding. Theories on origin can not be science for the simple reason that we cannot observe history. The origin of the universe, life and mankind all took place in the past and cannot be studied or repeated in the laboratory. I don't know why that is hard for you to accept.

So far, evolution is the best possible explanation for the diversity of life and has yet to make a single bad prediction or be falsified.

It has been falsified many times but like i said, this theory has too many desperate athiests clinging to it despite the fact that it is biologically impossible.
The hidden truth that evolutionists have seldom openly acknowledged is that mutations are genetic mistakes that fail to provide a logical answer to the question as to what fuels the evolutionary development. In fact mutations can not possibly explain the biological diversity in our world. The problem is simply that mutation by definition are rare errors in a the copying of the genetic code. They are genetic mistakes and as a result are almost always negative or neutral in their effect. Evolutionist do admit to this fundamental flaw in their theory but it is never publicized.

Scientists have never observed a single mutation in the laboratory in nature that adds information to an organism. Coping errors through mutation cannot possibly add new information as the theory of evolution demands.
The fact it that the theory depends entirely upon the unobserved and unproven assumption that random mutations over long periods will result in beneficial improvements in a species vial added information that will be carried in ot future generations because they provide an enhanced opportunity for "survival of the fittest" However scientific research contradicts this underlying assumption of evolution that accidental mutations could ever produce improvements in a species, let alone a transformation to an entirely new species

Seriously Sassy, you are exposing yourself to be a charlatan. It is incredibly doubtful that you know anything about science, let alone studying to work in the scientific field of biology.

Again just because i don't share the same FAITH you have in unproven theories does not make me less of a science student. :rolleyes: