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tomder55 · Jun 22, 2008, 03:14 AM

This is what Obama said when he met with the Congressional Black Caucus and was confronted by Congresswomen who were Hillary supporters.

In what Representative Diane Watson, (D-CA.) found "dismissive" and "off putting" Barack Obama responded to that by agreeing that healing was needed and saying he hoped the members at the meeting would help with that healing and he went on to say, "However, I need to make a decision in the next few months as to how I manage that since I'm running against John McCain, which takes a lot of time. If women take a moment to realize that on every issue important to women, John McCain is not in their corner, that would help them get over it."

Watson, who is also a longtime Clinton supporter did not appreciate the term "get over it" and told Obama, "Don't use that terminology."

ABC News: Obama-Clinton Sparks Fly at Key Meeting

The number of anit-Obama websites created by former Clinonistas has grown to 123 at "Just Say NO Deal"
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"we are a coalition of millions with one thing in common: NObama".

Many of these sites are actively campaigning against Barack Obama as well as campaigning for John McCain, donating money to the McCain campaign .

Does Obama need Evita's supporters to win in November ?

Credendovidis · Jun 22, 2008, 03:48 AM

Originally Posted by tomder55

Does Obama need Evita's supporters to win in November ?

No. Just common sense instead of this attitude that remind me of the aggression and intolerance that is so clearly displayed during election time in dark Africa, and to which almost every citizen shakes his or her head and say : "they still need to learn a lot there".

Well, so must be the conclusion for any outsider of the US election circus : "they still need to learn a lot there" !

:rolleyes:

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George_1950 · Jun 22, 2008, 06:22 AM

Originally Posted by tomder55

Does Obama need Evita's supporters to win in November ?

Yes, he needs them badly. Obama, in my view, has scuttled his own ship, which is what Democrats must do to win the far left vote, especially the caucuses. It will be an interesting election in that Obama needs Evita's, and McCain must figure out a way to energize the right wing. My guess is that when McCain, and the voters, see the magnitude of the challenge posed by the MSM and the far left, McCain and the general public will coalesce. This may be happening now in energy policy as well as foreign policy. Obama will offer his 'middle class tax cuts', but can he win over the moderates with the massive payoffs to left wing interest groups? McCain, therefore has at least three arrows in his quiver: budgetary control, foreign policy, and energy policy. Obama can't afford to loose Evita supporters, but can he keep his mouth shut 'til November? Naaa.

SkyGem · Jun 22, 2008, 08:01 AM

Originally Posted by George_1950

Yes, he needs them badly. Obama, in my view, has scuttled his own ship, which is what Democrats must do to win the far left vote, especially the caucuses. It will be an interesting election in that Obama needs Evita's, and McCain must figure out a way to energize the right wing. My guess is that when McCain, and the voters, see the magnitude of the challenge posed by the MSM and the far left, McCain and the general public will coalesce. This may be happening now in energy policy as well as foreign policy. Obama will offer his 'middle class tax cuts', but can he win over the moderates with the massive payoffs to left wing interest groups? McCain, therefore has at least three arrows in his quiver: budgetary control, foreign policy, and energy policy. Obama can't afford to loose Evita supporters, but can he keep his mouth shut 'til November? Naaa.

And of course, he needs to appoint Hillary as his V.P. a.s.a.p. in order to keep at least some of her supporters! Should he default in doing that, he can surely kiss his presidential aspirations good-bye. He should seriously be thinking about doing that right now as each day that passes is one more day Hillary's supporters have to think that he does not seriously support her for his V.P. and will surely be turned off in November so that many will not even go to vote. They will either write-in Hillary on the ballot, some will end up voting for McCain (either way, V.P. appointment or not), or simply just stay home.

SkyGem · Jun 22, 2008, 08:10 AM

Originally Posted by tomder55

This is what Obama said when he met with the Congressional Black Caucus and was confronted by Congresswomen who were Hillary supporters.

ABC News: Obama-Clinton Sparks Fly at Key Meeting

The number of anit-Obama websites created by former Clinonistas has grown to 123 at "Just Say NO Deal"
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Many of these sites are actively campaigning against Barack Obama as well as campaigning for John McCain, donating money to the McCain campaign .

Does Obama need Evita's supporters to win in November ?

And since you mentioned the Black Caucus, you might be interested in seeing the latest poll concerning matters dealing with race relations that voters were asked and are thinking about.

ABC News: Racial Views Among Whites Predict Vote

BABRAM · Jun 22, 2008, 09:06 AM

He was speaking in terms a small category of women (and men), not as Tom dreamt "Obama to women get over it." After repeatedly telling Gore supporters (that included a large contingent of women) to get over it after the 2000 election, the Republicans stand to look as hypocrtical as ever. Meanwhile Obama's lead is increasing. :)

RealClearPolitics - Election 2008 National Head-to-Head Polls

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George_1950 · Jun 22, 2008, 09:42 AM

I hope, and wouldn't be surprised, to see Obama lead up to election day, unless he suffers a meltdown of some kind, which could happen. Two points: The "Bradley Effect" was much discussed during the Democrat primaries (Bradley effect); - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia I would expect the MSM to point to abject racism for whites not to vote for Obama, but if there is any truth to the theory, it will be replayed. Also, recall that Bill Clinton didn't win either election, 1992 or 1996, without Ross Perot. In this regard, Obama needs Evita more than McCain. It is obvious that if Obama can't placate these women and their followers, his candidacy may be historical, but is dead in the water.

SkyGem · Jun 22, 2008, 10:56 AM

Originally Posted by George_1950

I hope, and wouldn't be surprised, to see Obama lead up to election day, unless he suffers a meltdown of some kind, which could happen. Two points: The "Bradley Effect" was much discussed during the Democrat primaries (Bradley effect); - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia I would expect the MSM to point to abject racism for whites not to vote for Obama, but if there is any truth to the theory, it will be replayed. Also, recall that Bill Clinton didn't win either election, 1992 or 1996, without Ross Perot. In this regard, Obama needs Evita more than McCain. It is obvious that if Obama can't placate these women and their followers, his candidacy may be historical, but is dead in the water.

Agreed! You are so right, George!

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BABRAM · Jun 22, 2008, 02:49 PM

Yup folks! That's the McCain bandwagon slowly riding on, tongues hanging, dried and parched, hopelessly wondering into that November dust storm.

YouTube - TPMtv: McCain Leaves Fox Speechless

Choux · Jun 22, 2008, 07:25 PM

McCain is no friend to women since he is against a woman's right to choose. AND, how about the 100 years of War, women's children and grandchildren are up for serving in the Armed Forces. And, how about him flip flopping on most of the major issues. The most recent being he took a stand against drilling offshore, and CHANGE HIS MIND a couple of days ago!

Why a couple of days ago, he said that he could understand why it would be difficult to love America because of some of its polities. What? He is so confused.

tomder55 · Jun 23, 2008, 03:05 AM

A lot a deflecting instead of addressing a fundamental problem Obama has.

George is right about the fact that you cannot trust the polling numbers .The "Bradley effect " has confounded polsters for a long time now .
Of course Obama and his flunkies in the MSM will try to make a linkage between opposing him and racism. He has already proven that he will do and say anything while carrying the mantle of change and transcending politics.

SkyGem I am almost 100% certain that Evita will not be his veep choice.

Credendovidis... lol... When I see Americans hacking at each other with machete's and denying food to political opponents then I will take your comparison seriously .

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/23/wo...hp&oref=slogin

tomder55 · Jun 23, 2008, 05:45 AM

how about him flip flopping

The reality is that in this cycle both candidates have shamelessly flipped on a number of issues . It is hard to determine what either of them truly believe. The big difference to me is that McCain has a track record to examine while Obama is a blank slate to fill in and erase as needed .

What's his position on NAFTA and campaign financing ? Those were among the flip flops by Obama last week and they are coming in as frequently as he throws advisors;confidants ,and grandmas under the bus.

Edit :

Also note that over the weekend he went from supporting the FISA compromise to opposing certain sections of it that the Moveon and Huffpo crowd objected to at the end of last week . They gave him a pretty hard time of it .
Art Levine: Is Obama Selling Out on FISA bill? - Politics on The Huffington Post

tomder55 · Jun 23, 2008, 06:48 AM

Skygem here is a copy of the ABC /Washinton Compost survey

Washington Post-ABC News (washingtonpost.com)

Please note that 70% of white Americans deny a racial bias when deciding on Obama. Also note that this was the 42nd Question out of 44 asked in the survey ,but ABC news and the Compost decided to distort the finding in a headline article .

tomder55 · Jun 23, 2008, 07:08 AM

Meanwhile Obama's lead is increasing.

Bobby ;Only once in the last 20 years has the candidate who has been ahead in June polls ended up winning the election according to the TimesOnline

US Elections - Times Online - WBLG: June Polls Don't Hold Up

speechlesstx · Jun 23, 2008, 07:55 AM

[QUOTE=BABRAM]He was speaking in terms a small category of women (and men), not as Tom dreamt "Obama to women get over it." After repeatedly telling Gore supporters (that included a large contingent of women) to get over it after the 2000 election, the Republicans stand to look as hypocrtical as ever. Meanwhile Obama's lead is increasing. :)

You don't think that by oh, the 2004 election, that Gore supporters should have gotten over it?

BABRAM · Jun 23, 2008, 08:34 AM

[QUOTE=speechlesstx]

Originally Posted by BABRAM

He was speaking in terms a small category of women (and men), not as Tom dreamt "Obama to women get over it." After repeatedly telling Gore supporters (that included a large contingent of women) to get over it after the 2000 election, the Republicans stand to look as hypocrtical as ever. Meanwhile Obama's lead is increasing. :)

You don't think that by oh, the 2004 election, that Gore supporters should have gotten over it?

I don't know what you misunderstood, but that was my point. So why would anybody or more specifically McCain supporters use a strategy with an issue that's a proven loser? So they can look like hypocrites?

tomder55 · Jun 23, 2008, 08:35 AM

Bottom line here is that Obama's fundraising fell flat and McCain has been keeping up . Meanwhile Obama spent a lot of money to secure the nomination and now he needs Evita's Democrat deep pocket donators who possibly will opt out of giving Obama a dime . So far Evita's minions are saying PUMA (Party Unity My A$$) and it doesn't help for Obama to flippantly tell them to get over it.

Meanwhile... how's this for arrogance

BABRAM · Jun 23, 2008, 08:39 AM

Originally Posted by tomder55

Bobby ;Only once in the last 20 years has the candidate who has been ahead in June polls ended up winning the election according to the TimesOnline

US Elections - Times Online - WBLG: June Polls Don't Hold Up

And the Republicans and McCain supporters will get that dubious distinction of being the first losers to carry their flickering flame from June until November when it's snuffed out.

BABRAM · Jun 23, 2008, 08:41 AM

Originally Posted by tomder55

bottom line here is that Obama's fundraising fell flat and McCain has been keeping up . Meanwhile Obama spent alot of money to secure the nomination and now he needs Evita's Democrat deep pocket donators who quite possibly will opt out of giving Obama a dime . So far Evita's minions are saying PUMA (Party Unity My A$$) and it doesn't help for Obama to flippantly tell them to get over it.

Meanwhile ...how's this for arrogance

LOL! I guess I'm arrogant for liking a campaign moniker. I love it! Vote Obama!