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    Jun 15, 2008, 03:20 AM
    What would Che do ?
    A poster of Che Guevara (strategically placed next to one of Obama)hangs on the wall of a judge who found Ohio's death penalty law unconstitutional.

    Ohio judge: State must change lethal injection law - USATODAY.com


    Perhaps he is also a fan of Che's rhetoric. Here's one for the judge :

    "Judicial evidence is an archaic bourgeois detail. This is a revolution. We execute from revolutionary conviction."
    Che
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    Jun 15, 2008, 06:16 AM
    This judge may have a bright future with an Obama victory.
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    Jun 15, 2008, 07:27 AM
    Hello tom:

    I am AWARE that torture doesn't bother you. This is just another example of it.

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    Jun 15, 2008, 07:15 PM
    I don't care whether the death penaly is unconstitutional or not. Its just unhumane and downright sick! I pity any country and man who supports it!
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    Jun 15, 2008, 07:36 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by Skell
    I dont care whether the death penaly is unconstitutional or not. Its just unhumane and downright sick! I pity any country and man who supports it!
    Really? What about their victims?
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    Jun 15, 2008, 08:18 PM
    The two men pictured on judge's wall, Che next to Barack, are his interpretation that represents change. The pictures below however, I can assure you do not represent change.


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    Jun 15, 2008, 10:44 PM
    I kind of like those pics; thanks! A judge with a pic of Che, in the name of change? Che was a terrorist, my friend. An American judge, an attorney, should have a semblance of respect for the constitution, not for violence, especially the communist style.
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    Jun 16, 2008, 02:20 AM
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    Now the death penalty is torture also ? I'd like to see the quote from one of the founders who spoke out against it.

    Bobby

    Yes I know that Che represents change the Dems can believe in.
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    Jun 16, 2008, 05:21 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by George_1950
    I kind of like those pics; thanks! A judge with a pic of Che, in the name of change? Che was a terrorist, my friend. An American judge, an attorney, should have a semblance of respect for the constitution, not for violence, especially the communist style.

    Ever heard of the American Revolution? Although I don't agree with Che's philosophy to a greater good, he was a revolutionist and to many people that represents change. In Obama's case, a change from the Republican administration.


    The Martyrdom of Che Guevara

    "First off, he was either an Argentine Trotskyite or an anarchist, but Che was not a Communist in what we think of as the heavily entrenched, bureaucratized Cuban mold. Che was restless in post-revolutionary Cuba because his anarchist temperament caused him to bristle at the emerging bureaucracy. He was, like Trotsky in his dispute with Stalin, skeptical that the kind of socialism that truly served the poor could survive in just one country; hence, he died attempting to internationalize the struggle."
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    Jun 16, 2008, 05:30 AM
    Hello tom:

    Yes, the death penalty given by lethal injection IS torture, and that's exactly why it was overturned. Don't you read the stuff you post?

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    Jun 16, 2008, 05:49 AM
    Che was a murderer who bound, gagged and blindfolded his victims as he murdered them by the thousands without trial As the quote I provided points out he claimed that judicial evidence was an "unnecessary bourgeois detail" He stressed that "revolutionaries must become cold-killing machines motivated by pure hate".
    Today his T-shirts and posters are worn and hung on the walls of those who oppose capital punishment.

    Is that not irony ? It is a huge insult to compare him to the founders of our country .
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    Jun 16, 2008, 06:03 AM
    Yes, the death penalty given by lethal injection IS torture, and that's exactly why it was overturned.
    That is of course one judges opinion. Lethal Injection has been challenged before and found constitutional . However ,the issue here is protocol and the judge would have a case if he argued that procedures should be standardized to avoid the possibility of the person being executed being in pain.

    Ironically most people who claim this is cruel and unususal often support the same procedures and protocols when discussing euthenasia.
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    Jun 16, 2008, 06:19 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by tomder55
    That is of course one judges opinion.
    Hello again, tom:

    And, it's HIS opinion that counts in THIS case. That's how our system works.

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    Jun 16, 2008, 08:34 AM
    Judge's offices, Obama campaign offices, what is it with this fascination with Fidel's executioner?

    "A revolutionary must become a cold killing machine motivated by pure hate." Che Guevara.

    "We will march the path of victory even if it costs millions of atomic victims... We must keep our hatred alive and fan it to paroxysm." Che Guevara.

    "Crazy with fury I will stain my rifle red while slaughtering any enemy that falls in my hands! My nostrils dilate while savoring the acrid odor of gunpowder and blood. With the deaths of my enemies I prepare my being for the sacred fight and join the triumphant proletariat with a bestial howl! Hatred as an element of struggle; unbending hatred for the enemy, which pushes a human being beyond his natural limitations, making him into an effective, violent, selective and cold blooded killing machine. This is what our soldiers must become…” Che Guevara.

    "(T)o execute a man we don't need proof of his guilt. We only need proof that it's necessary to execute him. It's that simple." Che Guevara.
    “If they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun.” -Barack "Untouchable" Obama

    Is that "Che-nge we can believe in?"
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    Jun 16, 2008, 08:41 AM
    Yeah I read that Obama quote

    McCain was quick to point out that it is a strange quote to be using for someone who is against hand-gun ownership.

    John McCain 2008 - John McCain for President

    I'm more concerned of course that the CIC bring a gun to a fight with Jihadistan.
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    Jun 16, 2008, 08:34 PM
    Barack used “If they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun,” as a metaphor. Which ironically means more bad new for Republicans, since he's not going to coward down like Kerry did in '04.

    As for concealed carry and banning of handguns, nobody is going to pry 650 million handguns away from the US citizens fingers, not Obama and Congress, nobody. There would be breakouts of chaos and militias across the country. In Vegas a weapon for self-defence is not an option. People who think calling 911 is going to get you served adequate protection in a timely manner are only making prearrangement's for their own funerals.
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    Jun 16, 2008, 10:30 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by BABRAM
    People who think calling 911 is going to get you served adequate protection in a timely manner are only making prearrangement's for their own funerals.
    Maybe that means there needs to be more money spent on policing at home, as opposed to the money spent policing Iraq. Then maybe, just maybe, the gun culture may begin to fade.
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    Jun 17, 2008, 10:55 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by Skell
    Maybe that means there needs to be more money spent on policing at home, as opposed to the money spent policing Iraq. Then maybe, just maybe, the gun culture may begin to fade.
    Skell,

    Notice he said "in Vegas." Vegas is a whole other world ;)

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