[sndbay]

Would we today be healthier if we still taught all statues which the Lord had spoken in the book of Leviticus? According to what Jesus said, He did not come to change or eliminate them but to fulfil them.
Matthew 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

[wildandblue]

Remember the Covenant, the promise that God gave to the Israelites was the Promised Land. When Jesus came He established the New Covenant which opened up the gates of Heaven to all men, not just the Israelites. So the prize is now a heaven, a new garden of Eden where the righteous will reside forever, not a small piece of land. And Jesus spoke about how people would follow the law, clean the outside of a cup or wash their hands, but neglect the inside, about how what comes out of a man defiles him, not what his outward appearance looks like.

[sndbay]

Jesus is the mediator of the New Covenant spoken of in Hebrews 12:24. Jesus became our passover, His body and blood set us free, and John 8:32 speaks of the Truth of Christ makes you free. My love for Jesus and His worthness brought us a cleaning of our souls by nailing our sins to the cross. Collossians 2:14

If you go to 2 Kings 17:36-38 But the LORD, who brought you up out of the land of Egypt with great power and a stretched out arm, him shall ye fear, and him shall ye worship, and to him shall ye do sacrifice. And the statutes, and the ordinances, and the law, and the commandment, which he wrote for you, ye shall observe to do for evermore; and ye shall not fear other gods. And the covenant that I have made with you ye shall not forget; neither shall ye fear other gods.

These scripture refer the worship of God, it is the statues, commandments, ordinances, law that is directly stated to be observed forever. There is only one detail which is the old covenant pretaining to sacrifices. We no longer need the blood of animals because we have the NEW Covenant of JESUS who became our passover and it was His body and blood that changed the old covenant. He came to save us.. "from sin"

Matthew5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
Matthew 5:18 was another scripture that clearly states that not until heaven and earth pass. That hasn't happened, so my opinion leads me to believe we would be protected by God's Word and healthier to eat according to what the Word of God tells us.

[wildandblue]

Well Peter and Paul seemed to disagree on this. Peter tells of seeing a scroll fall from the sky full of creatures and being told it's OK to eat this stuff. Because before that, Peter was of the opinion that there was a separate law still in force. And none of the Gentiles were ever under the law. There was a big to do over whether they as grown men would need to be circumcised. Wasn't there some agreement reached that they should refrain from eating blood and from eating things sacrificed to idols

[sndbay]

The Gentiles were not under that law until then.. You have that right.. and this sheet that was drop did example the unclean and common. Note Peter said no Lord after he was offered the unclean food in Act 11:7. The idea was to show Peter what now was clean, or what God has granted as cleaned even to the Gentiles.
Acts 11:9. God said what he cleaned was not to be called common Acts 11:10 it was done 3 times to be sure Peter understood this. Immediately there after Acts 11:11 came 3 Gentiles at the house. Acts 11:15 The Holy Spirit fell upon the Gentiles . Acts 11:18 Then hath God also to the Gentiles granted repentance unto life.

Jesus came to save us...

Again up until this occurrence or example that was shown unto Peter the Gentiles were not known to believe in Christ. Many amazing things happen to example the Truth. We just have to acknowlegde the Truth is Jesus as our Savior.

[classyT]

NOPE. The LORD gave the orders to eat unclean animals in Acts. We are not under the law anymore. Period. Jesus said he came to give us LIFE and life more abundantly. Why would he allow us to be less healthy now? Doesn't make any sense. He gave the orders under the law and HE gave the orders under the new covenant. We are under the new covenant so go fry yourself some bacon and enjoy.

[sndbay]

Yes in Acts as was stated in #5, God dropped a sheet of food before Peter and said eat. But you also must read Peter said NO LORD.. Peter would never eat that which was unclean. This example was done 3 times, and the significance of 3 is completeness. The number 3 is Divine perfection and completeness. This significance is shown by 3 refusal, and 3 Gentiles.

Jesus is our Savior, and it is our sins that we are cleaned by repentance, and belief in Christ. Tell me where the bible says Jesus came to save us from food. Eating the wrong food is not a sin, but is was set as a law of protection. We still obey the commandments, and they are set up to show us sin.

There are no bible scriptures to contradict this fact from what I have read. That's why I ask if we would be healthier to acknowledge the food law today. In my opinion I think it would be wise to acknowledge them as God's protecting law.

[classyT]

Yes in Acts as was stated in #5, God dropped a sheet of food before Peter and said eat. But you also must read Peter said NO LORD.. Peter would never eat that which was unclean. This example was done 3 times, and the significance of 3 is completeness. The number 3 is Divine perfection and completeness.

Jesus is our Savior, and it is our sins that we are cleaned by repentance, and belief in Christ. He did not come to save us from food. Eating the wrong food is not a sin, but is was set as a law of protection.

There are no bible scriptures to contradict this fact from what I have read. That's why I ask if we would be healthier to acknowledge the food law today. In my opinion I think it would be wise to acknowledge them as God's protecting law.

Well I disagree with you. IF it is healthier to NOT to eat lobster, pork and other "unclean" animals the Lord wouldn't have allowed it. Jesus came to give us life and life more abundently. I don't know about YOU, but being unhealthy from eating a food that HE said is good to eat.. doesn't sound like an ABUNDENT life. Having said that, of course all food needs to be prepared properly and we should eat food in a balanced way.

[classyT]

Well Peter and Paul seemed to disagree on this. Peter tells of seeing a scroll fall from the sky full of creatures and being told it's OK to eat this stuff. Because before that, Peter was of the opinion that there was a seperate law still in force. And none of the Gentiles were ever under the law. There was a big to do over whether they as grown men would need to be circumcised. Wasn't there some agreement reached that they should refrain from eating blood and from eating things sacrificed to idols

Paul understood that he was free to eat whatever he wanted EVEN if was sacrificed to idols. BUT he said if that cause another Christian ( who wasn't as strong in his beliefs) to stumble, he wouldn't eat food like that when he was with them. ( Because it would upset them.)

I feel the same about having a drink. I don't have a problem with a drink on occasion but many Christians do. I wouldn't invite one of the ones that have a issue with it over and serve wine. It would be inappropriate to do so.

[sndbay]

[QUOTE=classyT]Paul understood that he was free to eat whatever he wanted EVEN if was sacrificed to idols. BUT he said if that cause another Christian ( who wasn't as strong in his beliefs) to stumble, he wouldn't eat food like that when he was with them. ( Because it would upset them.)

In my opinion the Word of God tells us differently then what you have stated. 1Corinthians 10:28 But if any man say unto you, This is offered in sacrifice unto idols, eat not for his sake that shewed it, and for conscience sake: for the earth [is] the Lord's, and the fulness thereof:

[wildandblue]

Well, I agree with that, seeing a believer accepting food sacrificed to idols might lead some others to think he was participating in worshipping the idols, not that he didn't believe in them. But some of the dietary laws make sense, like don't kill both a bird and it's eggs, or don't boil a calf in it's mother's milk. If I avoid eating cheese on a hamburger, it's not from some dietary law but more in line with the commandment, do unto others as you would have them do unto you. And the sacrificing of the first fruits to God: they didn't have grocery stores, if they had maybe eaten up all the barley there would be none to plant for the next season!

[sndbay]

Jesus came to give us life and and life more abundently. I don't know about YOU, but being unhealthy from eating a food that HE said is good to eat..doesn't sound like an ABUNDENT life.

That abundent life is in heaven..

Jesus came to save us from sins here on earth.. In Gal 3:1-3 It is said that we should not be foolish like the Galatians were in thinking that our bodies are perfect because Christ came. That is not truth.. Christ came to save us by nailing our sins to the cross. Christ washed our sins away which are the sins the body does.

All of this is why today we still follow the law, because the law when followed, we do in faith. Faith in believing the Word of God, which is Jesus. Galatians 3:10-12 is saying those that live by the law are doing so because of faith. But the law alone was not enough to save us. So the law and faith are not to be frustrated over. Mainly because God made the promise to Abraham concerning the law, and he does not want us in any way to contradict His promise. The Truth goes on and on from this. :)

[classyT]

SNY,

Disagree, He came to give us LIFE and MORE ABUNDENTLY NOW! He fulfilled the law, He hasn't changed his mind but the LAW was giving to us to show us WE COULDN"T follow it. We are under grace and there is NOW no condemnation ...whoo hoo.

If Paul was folllowing the "law" why did he eat meat scarificed to idols. Why did the Lord telll Peter to eat what was unclean under the Law.. to cause confusion? Naah God is NOT the author of confusion.

[sndbay]

If Paul was folllowing the "law" why did he eat meat scarificed to idols. .

Good Question? So tell me where in the bible is this? Please give me the Words of the Bible that tell us this..

Why did the Lord telll Peter to eat what was unclean under the Law..to cause confusion? .

Acts 10 and Acts 11 gives the entire teaching that God was giving to Peter on unclean men and common man. As I pointed out, you can not take one statement and translocate it as a different teaching. Peter never ate what was dropped before him. Acts 10:28 is the subject of this teaching... Acts 10:28 And he said unto them, Ye know how that it is an unlawful thing for a man that is a Jew to keep company, or come unto one of another nation; but God hath shewed me that I should not call any man common or unclean.

The food that was dropped was all Quote.. All drawn up again into heaven Peter did NOT Eat any! Yet Immediately there were 3 men thereafter at the house... These are the Gentiles told to go see Peter.

Naah God is NOT the author of confusion.

You are right, God is NOT the author of confusion.. But Satan is! Offer me God's Words by refer of scripture.

[classyT]

Snd,

1 Cornithians 8. Ok NO it doesn't say Paul specifically ate it. He gave instructions concerning it.

What I conclude from this chapter is first... a piece of meat sacrificed to say... Zeus means NOTHING because Zeus ain't real.

Having the freedom, and the Knowledge that it is OK to eat meat sacrificed doesn't make you better or smarter than Christians that don't feel right about it.

If a I were with another Christian that truly believe that eating the meat is sin, then don't do it with that Christian... it causes issues.

AS far as Acts and Peters vision goes... get real. Of Course peter didn't eat it... it was a VISION and besides he was a Jewish man that followed the law and he was forbidden to eat it UP TO THAT POINT! That was a very difficult concept for him! BTW, The Lord doesn't show Peter unclean food and say arise and eat it and then say... naaah... I was joshin you dude. Hee hee I was REALLY talking about something else. Come on!

[sndbay]

snd,

1 Cornithians 8. Ok NO it doesn't say Paul specifically ate it. He gave instructions concerning it.

What i conclude from this chapter is first...a peice of meat sacrificed to say... Zeus means NOTHING because Zeus ain't real.

Having the freedom, and the Knowledge that it is ok to eat meat sacrificed doesn't make you better or smarter than Christians that don't feel right about it.

If a I were with another Christian that truely believe that eating the meat is sin, then don't do it with that Christian...it causes issues.

1 Corinthisans 8:7 Howbeit there is not in every man that knowledge: for some with conscience of the idol unto this hour eat it as a thing offered unto an idol; and their conscience being weak is defiled.

Note:The meaning of conscience = Having been so long accustomed to believe the idol to have a real existence, they still regard the sacrifice as a real one.

1 Corinthians 8:8But meat commendeth us not to God: for neither, if we eat, are we the better; neither, if we eat not, are we the worse

Note:Carefully read this statement of meaning because by Eating it ,you are not better, and not eating it, you can not be worse off..

1Corinthians 8:9 But take heed lest by any means this liberty of yours become a stumblingblock to them that are weak.

Note the meaning of Liberty = (authority) Liberty may cause stumbling to others. So what you do may cause someone else harm! And to what has it credited you? (Nothing Better) and if you did not eat it nothing bad.

1 Corinthians 8:10-11 For if any man see thee which hast knowledge sit at meat in the idol's temple, shall not the conscience of him which is weak be emboldened to eat those things which are offered to idols; And through thy knowledge shall the weak brother perish, for whom Christ died?

Note this is the question you need to answer in verse 10-11 because this statement tends to suggest that your liberty or authority gave the weaker person the wrong idea, and the weaker will perish for eating according to idol worship. But the teaching continues, and remember the scripture says we are in the idol's temple... now what you have done, comes forth...

1Corinthians 8:12But when ye sin so against the brethren, and wound their weak conscience, ye sin against Christ.

1 Corinthians 8:13 Wherefore, if meat make my brother to offend, I will eat no flesh while the world standeth, lest I make my brother to offend.

snd,

AS far as Acts and Peters vision goes....get real. of Course peter didn't eat it...it was a VISION and besides he was a Jewish man that followed the law and he was forbidden to eat it UP TO THAT POINT! That was a very difficult concept for him! BTW, The Lord doesn't show Peter unclean food and say arise and eat it and then say...naaah...i was joshin ya dude. hee hee I was REALLY talking about something else. come on!

It is called comparison teaching, and God does it many many times throughout the scriptures of His Word.


~In Christ ~In His Light~Peace

[classyT]

Snd,

I think you are wrong. When the Lord tries to make a point like in let say... ummmm Abraham and Isaac... he told Abraham to offer Isaac as a sacrifice... he STOPPED him before he did it. HE WAS CLEAR AS CRYSTAL on this subject. CLEAR. Like I said he isn't the author of confusion. If he didn't want us eating it.. he would say DO NOT EAT IT.. not arise and eat... I made it.. but what I really mean is don't eat it. Please??

I answered your question about meat. He doesn't want someone getting the idea that they are more KNOWLEDGEABLE in their freedom to eat meat. Knowledge puffs up. If someone isn't comfortable with it. Then they shouldn't eat it and you really shouldn't eat it around him. He isn't going to perish because he DOES it the meat.. he isn't going to perish because he doesn't eat it... good grief... LOOK bottom line... I'm NOT UNDER THE LAW... period. I am living in the age of Grace. The law was given to us to prove we couldn't do it and we needed a savior.

[sndbay]

I think you are wrong. When the Lord tries to make a point like in let say...ummmm Abraham and Isaac...he told Abraham to offer Isaac as a sacrifice....he STOPPED him before he did it. HE WAS CLEAR AS CRYSTAL on this subject. CLEAR. like i said he isn't the author of confusion. If he didn't want us eating it..he would say DO NOT EAT IT..not arise and eat...i made it .. but what i really mean is don't eat it. please????.

When God has taken and written us a teaching like the one of Abraham and Isaac, there are far more reasons for that teaching then what we might understand. Yet we do need to point out the fact as Abraham was appointed by God the father of all nations. God trusted Abraham. Yet we also see how Abraham loved God, how he trusted God, and how this teaching has shown Abraham would do anything asked of him when God request it. But one important lesson also is that God wanted us in this teaching to know, He never would ask this of us, God proved that by the final CLEAR AS A CRYSTAL picture you have. God had His own plan long before Abraham ever thought his son could be that important sacrifice that God would bring forth to save the nation of people.

This is not confusing when you trust the Word that is written. When you read the plan from front to back, from top to bottom, we can see CRYSTAL CLEARLY the Word isn’t about us... The Word of God is about Jesus

I answered your question about meat. He doesn't want someone getting the idea that they are more KNOWLEDGEABLE in their freedom to eat meat. Knowledge puffs up. If someone isn't comfortable with it. then they shouldn't eat it and you really shouldn't eat it around him. He isn't going to perish because he DOES it the meat..he isn't going to perish because he doesn't eat it...

The weaker man is weak because he is less knowledgeable in the Word. Because he saw only what was conscience to him. It is your liberty that has influenced him to eat the meat, and he will eat it as worship to an idol. This would be a deadly sin. (Deny me and I will deny you.) Would you want this for another? Would you want to influence another? The last verse stated NO!

You are wiser, you live knowing of God’s Grace. The weaker man did not know... Don’t cause another to stubble...

I am living in the age of Grace. The law was given to us to prove we couldn't do it and we needed a savior.

Jesus is God’s Grace, Jesus came to save us. If you live under Jesus do you want to follow Him, or pass and say you gave up? The commandments are law and still should be followed. No we don’t do them perfectly but we should still do our best to follow what Christ has taught us. And yes Jesus will grant us His forgiveness when we repent our sins.

Please remember My question on eating has to do with the Status... why have they been dropped.. and why aren’t we obeying them as law? That is, if we are Christians.

[classyT]

Snd,

I am not suggesting that the commandments are null and void. Of course, we shouldn't lie, of course we shouldn't kill. BUT the law is FAR more than just the 10 commandments. When I sin, I don't kill a animal. I don't go to temple. I don't follow the sabbath and so on. I disagree with you. I love Jesus, I have his HOLY SPIRIT and I am NOT chucking the O.T. but I am living under Grace... I do NOT follow the LAW. In fact, I am called to a higher standard then the Law.

[sndbay]

Snd,

I am not suggesting that the commandments are null and void. Of course, we shouldn't lie, of course we shouldn't kill. BUT the law is FAR more than just the 10 commandments. When I sin, i don't kill a animal. I don't go to temple. I don't follow the sabbath and so on. I disagree with you. I love Jesus, I have his HOLY SPIRIT and i am NOT chucking the O.T. but i am living under Grace....i do NOT follow the LAW. In fact, i am called to a higher standard then the Law.

I realize we both love Jesus, and that God knows our heart of love for Him. I never said you didn't love Jesus. As for me, I don't accept the law of sacrifices... I believe Jesus is our Passover..
There are many others laws.. The law of circumcised, the law of anointing, The law of adolatry, The law of uncleanness, The law of drink offering, The law of marriage, The law of preaching, The law of dowry, The law of murder, The law against eating blood, The law of the Sabbath, etc...

It is Jesus that speaks in saying, he came not to change but to fulfill.. . It is the protecting love God has for His children that holds my thoughts to as I quoted

Please remember My question on eating has to do with the Statutes... why have they been dropped..and why aren't we obeying them as law? That is, if we are Christians.