[Vinny42]

Hi there. I was installing a new faucet in the bathroom sink. When I went to connect the drain components of the new faucet to the P-trap segment of the metal piping, somehow the drain pipe piece that comes out of the wall actually tore (well, it tore because I was trying to force things a bit -- guess I learned my lesson there). I think it was chrome on the outside and it was very rusted on the inside. I took the channel lock pliers to the ring at the base of the (now useless) drain pipe segment at the wall but -- it ain't coming off. I did some further ripping/peeling away and it seems the old drain pipe just went through this metal ring on its way into the wall.

My question: what do I do now? I'm not super experienced with diy projects but it seems I could with further exertion get the rest of that dead drain pipe out of there and I could replace it with some PVC piping -- but how do I create a seal between this metal ring at the wall and the new PVC drain pipe tubing? Or is that a dumb idea? Thanks in advance for any help. It's an old house, vintage 1930, and it wouldn't surprise me if this was original equipment.

Vinny

[massplumber2008]

Hey Vinny:

Sounds like you have a TUBULAR trap/pipe there...

Here, tubular piping is very thin walled and slips into copper (or galvanized) pipe by a desanco type fitting.

Basically, need to loosen/remove the nut (I think you called it a RING) at the wall and then need to loosen/remove any remaining part of the old tubular pipe.

As you mentioned, that is not as easy as it sounds... ;) I have had to get very creative to get these nuts off. Use a wrench, or may even need to cut it off (Just don't damge threads under it. Start by making small cuts and see if can SPLIT the nut.

Here, once nut is removed, try to loosen by twisting/pulling at pipe... but most likely will need to get an awl or similar tool (small flat screwdriver) and will need to COLLAPSE the pipe by slipping tool between the tubular pipe and the copper (or galvanized) pipe.

Keep forcing tool in and collapsing in the sides until you get enough metal to bite onto and TWIST to remove.

Takes a bit of doing sometimes! But eventually will come out. Then should just need to get a new PLASTIC tubular trap and new nuts/washers to repair all this.

You could also try to transition over to new solid PVC, but thatmight prove tougher than just replacing old tubular type setup with new tubular setup.

Let me know if you have any more questions... MARK

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[speedball1]

it seems the old drain pipe just went through this metal ring on its way into the wall.

What kind of stub-out is coming out of the wall? Copper? Galvanized? Describe this metal ring. Is it a solder joint? A fitting? If it's a solder joint I apply heat and melt it out. While it's still hot I take a rag and wipe off any excess solder. The new chrome trap will have to be prepared before it can be replaced. Chrome won't take a solder joint. You will have to "dry assemble" the trap and Take a hacksaw and mark where the stub-out ends on the chrome. You then take a file, sand cloth or, my personal favorite, a hack saw blade with a rag wrapped around it for a handle. Now began to saw away at the chrome 5/8ths of a inch beyond your mark to 2 inches the other side of it. Bare the chrome down the brass pipe. You are now ready to shine up the inside of the stubout and to flux both the stub-out and the trap tail and solder them together. Good luck Tom

[Vinny42]

Thanks to both of you Mark and Tom for responding. Here's a picture of the "ring" I'm talking about -- I'm guessing it's a fitting (at least I'll try to post a picture now that the website seems to want a URL). I was able to remove the remnants of the old chrome pipe so now it's just this (somewhat rusted) "ring." You think this ring needs to come off huh? It'll be a hell of a thing since it's not budging at the moment. I'd sure just love to shove a new piece of pipe through that hole and assume it'll be OK.

[massplumber2008]

It won't! I promise.

Hoping to see that picture...