[workerbee]

I am going to read that study. You seem to want to get around what I am saying though, prayer may help in some cases (placebo effect) I have not read this study yet so I don't know what it says, but as far as your prayers being answered well.. . Lots of people say that, that is why everyone fool themselves. Ask to regrow someone's limbs, with this war we have no shortage of amputees. I am willing to bet you won't because you know I am right
Think about it if someone prayed for an amputee and it worked then the news would beamed around the world in seconds. Let's not kid ourselves. Prayer is BS it never worked for anyone I prayed to when I was a Christian, put my bet to the test sassy, we will see who is right.

workerbee

[SkyGem]

Here is an independent study done on prayer which concluded that God does answer prayer. I can be a witness to that because God has answered all my prayers.

Scientific Evidence for Answered Prayer

I will also witness for God through His Only Divine Son Jesus Christ of the many miracles He has performed in my life and continues to. I have witnessed many times before on the power of prayer to God and it is a true blessing to be able to do that for Jesus. So extraordinary were the things He granted me with Love that there can absolutely be no one but GOD who could have accomplished them so rapidly in my time of need.

Thank you for presenting the link to the scientific studies done on prayer and how prayer indeed DOES effect a person's overall health and well-being. I just wanted to point out to you, though you may undoubtedly already know, that without God's Spirit, a person will see even these scientific studies of a spiritual nature and may not believe them. Here is what the Holy Bible has to say about these people.

"Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God. Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth; but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual. But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned." -- 1 CORINTHIANS 2:12-14 (KJV)

Therefore, infidels cannot know of the power of prayer because it is discerned spiritually and in their non-belief they have recoiled from the TRUTH as God has presented and may continue to blindly argue going around in circles and grasping for ways to disprove that which God has done but it cannot be disproved because it is from God, their Creator and Ours. Those studies were well presented and only those with an already closed mind would tend to discount them. All others who know how the power of prayer to God works in their life could readily attest to its effectiveness.

I also very much enjoyed reading the information in one of the other links given Scientific Studies that Show a Positive Effect of Religion on Health

[workerbee]

I am looking into that study but I already know the answer prayer does not work. AT ALL
Skygem, you just think it works, it's you living in a make believe world If you look you will see my study at the bottom that page it shows no difference of the people who were prayed to and a third group who KNEW they were beiong prayed for did WORSE, I wonder why?Of course being close-minded you will ignore that and ignore what sassy has ignored growing new limbs on a amputee. That is impossible I will bet on that. Don't take that bet Skygem or you will lose eveything. You'll wind up in the poor house saying I still believe the lord. If God can't cure an amputee that he is as impotent as a 95 year old man
As far as positive effects on health believe or not I agree with you that believing in anything can make a person's outlook much better but it does not prove prayer. Stop answering this thread and start praying for an amputee see how far that gets you.
Prove me wrong

Woerbee

[SkyGem]

Stop answering this thread and start praying for an amputee see how far that gets you.
prove me wrong

woerbee

All healing comes from God in His time and His own way and no one must test the Lord. Satan tried to tempt Jesus in the high mountain also, just like you, but he could not and Jesus won that battle for us at the cross. As it concerns your post, I have a much better solution to this. I will ask everyone to start praying for you as you are obviously a lost soul and I don't believe you want to stay that way since God made you too, therefore you keep reaching out to me and others through your posts in this Christian forum. But all Hope is not lost through Jesus Christ! Somehow the adversary's grip has gotten ahold of you tightly and causes you to spew forth the things you do to try to discredit the Lord Our God but know that no matter how hard you try, it will not ever work. If you are trying to recruit more heathens here, do know that this is a Christian forum and while there are many astute people in the world today, they can readily recognize your kind of propaganda that can only lead to the ruination of souls.

[workerbee]

You may be correct that the adversary(Satan or common sense ) has gotten a tight grip on me, but if you are honest and I from your posts I think you are then aleast admit that I have a point, by the way I am not tempting Christ it would be illogical. If you helped an amputee you would also shut me up that's why you say satan has me because you could never be wrong .When was a kid I had to go to catechism there I was taught about jesus and prayer, I thought prayer was great, I was kid what did I know. One day I decided to prayer for people without them knowing it. They never got better. Ever I am talking about people with severe problems Never any better, that did not change me but planted a seed which grew into what I am today, as I stated before I was a Christian for many years and I did not change overnight it was long process and when I first realized there is no god I was depressed as hell but I got over it, and what I have said is not propaganda,
You want me to see the light then prove me wrong but you can't can you because you
Are living in a make believe world and you might even know it

workerbee

[SkyGem]

You may be correct that the adversary(Satan or common sense ) has gotten a tight grip on me, but if you are honest and i from your posts i think you are then aleast admit that i have a point,

The right path to healing begins when a person faced with a difficult situation in their life can admit openly and honestly that there are powers beyond their control that have "lobbied" them day and night to believe in ways that are so displeasing to God. And yes, by admitting this, you do have a point and it is a valid one! But you can find your way out of this tempest, this storm, because Jesus will not give up on you. Don't you give up on Him either! He Loves You, my friend, and that is why He has sent me, a stranger to you, to continue to speak to you about ways in which you can break away from the tight grip satan has on you, that you have now admitted is stifling your sense of reasoning or common sense such as to deny the great gift that God has given unto you and me, the ability to witness for Him instead of cast Him down.


by the way i am not tempting Christ it would be illogical.

And you know, you don't have to continue to say the kind of things you do such as ask about limbs growing through prayer because surely you are intelligent enough to understand that that is the equivalent of a person asking for a million dollars to manifest for them after prayers. Clearly, there are some things that the Good Lord grants and others He does not grant. He, and only He knows the answer as to why. Most times, it is because it would not befit the person who prays for them or they would miss an important lesson in life. Also, we can never test Him just to see if His Word is true. God does not take kindly to that since who, as mortals, are we to ask God, Our Creator, to prove His mercy upon others. That is dangerous territory and if someone has put you up to this or you read somewhere to ask that question, then you must not listen as The Lord Our God Must Not Be Tempted. Whether you consider what you have asked for to be funny or serious, you still asked for it. It has been duly recorded in the Book of Life and is one more thing to answer for at your appointed time. I, for one, would like to see your slate clean! I would like nothing more than to see you ascend to your judgment and for Jesus to Welcome You Home With Open Arms! And to think that the way for that is so near, so easy, and so non-costly! Just by Accepting Jesus into your life and leaving all of the former rhetoric by the wayside that is only excess garbage you are carrying through life right now like an albatross around your neck. The questions, the innuendos, the man said this and man said that, etc. are things that are not positive and productive in your life. You must ask yourself, did man create God and therefore knows unequivocally more about how God works or is it the other way around? I know you must be intelligent enough to know that a rock or a tree or the ocean did not create you. You know better! There is a way out -- and it is not too late at this point. Just know that if you chose to leave your way of thinking today, Jesus would Accept you and FORGIVE you for your past if you but ask Him with a contrite heart and willingness to change. For is it better to have God with you or against you? That is the ultimate question. Remember what has happened to those who chose to have God against them i.e., Lucifer. He is paying eternally for that free will choice and is under un-cancellable damnation. But he had a clear choice, just like you, remember that.

If you helped an amputee you would also shut me up that's why you say satan has me because you could never be wrong .

You must not continue to tell me to "eat the apple from the forbidden tree". You know that is wrong and I won't take the bait. But it is not hurting me, it is ultimately hurting you. Right now, there are others who would like for me to join them in fellowship, but I have chosen to remain here and forego having a good time outdoors so that I can sit here and speak to you about Jesus because He Loves You and your spirit in the Afterlife is worth saving now. Don't continue to offend Him. Every day you wake up and go about your day and have something to eat and a roof over your head, it is not I who give that to you but Jesus! When you are not sick and able to get up and not laboring in a big sweat, thank GOD for that! Your other "friends" who indoctrinate you the wrong way don't care if you're dying, remember that. Will they sit by you and see that you heal, if it is God's will for you to (and you have to agree, many times it is!), and tell you wonderful things about the Power of Christ? No. Never. For the spirit of anti-Christ abounds. They_Do_Not_Care! Sad but true. So, it's time to fight this penchant to ask about the amputee. Are you an amputee by the way? Are you embittered because you have prayed and God has not healed your condition? Well, even if you aren't an amputee, you have something very important that has been cut off from your life -- JESUS! And even an amputee would rather exist in that physical state and have Jesus in their life because if they were Christian, they would know that that condition is only for a short time while they are in physical life. But life does not last forever. They would also have something wonderful to look forward to -- ETERNAL LIFE in spirit, a state of being where they will be Completely FREE of any physical defects they had in this Earth life and will be PERFECT in God's eyes! That is why they would gladly remain in their condition if it was not God's will to heal them and make them whole. God knows the WHY to things. We do not. It is not for us to question as it makes us look like fools before God when we do.

When was a kid i had to go to catechism there i was taught about jesus and prayer, I thought prayer was great, I was kid what did I know.

Fortunately, you knew far better then than you apparently do now.

one day i decided to prayer for people without them knowing it. They never got better. ever I am talking about people with severe problems Never any better, that did not change me but planted a seed which grew into what i am today, as i stated before I was a Christian for many years and i did not change overnight it was long process and when i first realized there is no god i was depressed as hell but I got over it, and what i have said is not propaganda,

Do you want for me to tell you what may have very well happened there? I will. God is Moving right now in me and wants for you to know that you prayed for many who wished to retain their illness on some level of their being. And since God gave them Free Will choice, by praying for them to be healed, you were interfering with their free will. It was very noble of you to pray for them, make no mistake about that. For I am sure that on some level it did help them as God listens to prayers. But if you did not ask them specifically if they wanted for you to pray for them, then that can be why your prayers for them were never answered and why they did not become better. But even if they had said "Yes!" to pray for them, again, it is like asking a neighbor if they want for you to pray for them to win a million dollars at the lottery. Who would say no! It is simply not meant for most people to escape personal responsibility in this way and for God to simply grant and grant and grant each and every request or their faith would be worthless expecting always to receive and knowing that it would happen regardless. So, even if those people had said yes on the surface, on a deeper inner soul level, their actual answer may have been NO as they needed to retain the experience for their further spiritual growth. Many will readily say "yes" when offered something that they believe would be of benefit to them. Of that there can be no question. But is it actually RIGHT for them IS the question! That is why God did not answer your prayers and here you have been blaming Him all these years and embittering yourself until you too could get sick with all the acrimony you have stored inside of you. It's time to heal, to release this damaged way of thinking! It is time to release this, In the Name of Jesus!

You want me to see the light then prove me wrong but you can't can you because you
are living in a make believe world and you might even know it

No dearheart, that is where you are very wrong. I DO want you to see the Light because God wants for you to see it also! But there is no proving anyone wrong when they are in the Light of Christ! Everyone is right where they are supposed to be! That Light is what will liberate you from the strength of the enemy of your soul! That Light is what will Shine upon your darkest days when you find yourself old and all alone and without anyone to reach out to. That Light is what will serve as a beacon of Truth unto your life. That Light will be your best friend, your Lighthouse that will show you the way Home. That is what I want for you. You know why, because you DESERVE far better, more than you have right now. God gave you your life and even if you have freely chosen to misunderstand Him, He still Loves you in your present state of confusion and denial! He has not forgotten about you and that is why His presence is so Strong here today as I write this to you. Think how long it has taken to answer your few simple sentences. But God wants you to hear all of this so that you will at least consider what is being said, the message that is being brought to you today to show you that He may not have answered your other prayers but He would never forget you! He embraces you and wants to Welcome you back Home as one of His children. I want to see that happen too. Know that where TRUTH is, the devil and all of his lies cannot reside!

workerbee

The Truth shall make you FREE, for you cannot have both Light and Darkness at the same time in the very same place. Go in Peace and ponder on what I have said here but I cannot take much credit for these words that come from God especially for you!

[workerbee]

Skygem, I really believe I am correct, the evidence points that I am correct. Being an athesit is the truth and it has set me free.

workerbee

[sassyT]

[QUOTE]

think about it if someone prayed for an amputee and it worked then the news would beamed around the world in seconds. Let's not kid ourselves. Prayer is BS it never worked for anyone I prayed to when I was a Christian, put my bet to the test sassy, we will see who is right.

Workabee, one thing you need to know is that God is not Magician. You can't just make hocus pocus "prayers" and expect God to perform magic tricks. It does not work that way. Jesus said "they shall lay hands on the sick and sick they shall recover". Recovery is not instant, however God also heals people instantly. There hundred of thousands of people who walk out of wheel chairs every year at healing crusades. There are many stories of people being raised from the dead in many coutries through prayer but you will not see it on the News because people do not believe even the obvious. They try and find natural explanations for such phenonmina.

Like you said yourself, you already "know" prayer does not work, but speak for yourself because God has done amazing miracles in my life and my family. For one thing my brother was diagnosed with full blown AIDS. His health had degraded to the point where he wieghed 55 pounds(this is a 32 year old man). He was wearing diapers because his whole digestive system had given out. Doctors had given him days to live. In his weak state he says he pleaded with God to heal him and give him a second chance at life. Meawhile my mother held intersesory all night prayers. After 3-4 weeks of intense prayer the doctors started to see some improvement in his health. He became conscious afer being unconscious for weeks. Slowly over a period of about 2months in hospital my brother was getting better and better each day. Doctors were in shock because they could not explain the recovery. It just doesn't happen. His T-cells had multiplied in a few months. After about 8 months my brother was fully recovered and HIV negative. The doctors were trying find natural explanation for it but we know it was Our God. From that time I have never doubted God. I just feel sorry for those who don't know him. Today my brother goes Africa on mission trips to share his testimony. So when some like you says prayer does not work, I just shake my head because my experience has been quite the contrary. :)




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[SkyGem]

Skygem, i really believe i am correct, the evidence points that I am correct. Being an athesit is the truth and it has set me free.

workerbee

Then there is nothing further I can do for you if this is your final word on this since with your free will you have chosen your ultimate destiny. But know that since you have denied Jesus, He has also denied you before His Father in Heaven and you know that at your appointed time, as per Holy Scripture, you will not be able to enter into eternal bliss in Heaven. I am truly sorry you have chosen this for yourself and for eternity in the Afterlife but it is your choice.

[SkyGem]

[quote=sassyT]

Workabee, one thing you need to know is that God is not Magician. You can't just make hocus pocus "prayers" and expect God to perform magic tricks. It does not work that way. Jesus said "they shall lay hands on the sick and sick they shall recover". Recovery is not instant, however God also heals people instantly. There hundred of thousands of people who walk out of wheel chairs every year at healing crusades. There are many stories of people being raised from the dead in many coutries through prayer but you will not see it on the News because people do not believe even the obvious. They try and find natural explanations for such phenonmina.

Like you said yourself, you already "know" prayer does not work, but speak for yourself because God has done amazing miracles in my life and my family. For one thing my brother was diagnosed with full blown AIDS. His health had degraded to the point where he wieghed 55 pounds(this is a 32 year old man). He was wearing diapers because his whole digestive system had given out. Doctors had given him days to live. In his weak state he says he pleaded with God to heal him and give him a second chance at life. Meawhile my mother held intersesory all night prayers. After 3-4 weeks of intense prayer the doctors started to see some improvement in his health. He became conscious afer being unconscious for weeks. Slowly over a period of about 2months in hospital my brother was getting better and better each day. Doctors were in shock because they could not explain the recovery. It just doesn't happen. His T-cells had multiplied in a few months. After about 8 months my brother was fully recovered and HIV negative. The doctors were trying find natural explanation for it but we know it was Our God. From that time I have never doubted God. I just feel sorry for those who don't know him. Today my brother goes Africa on mission trips to share his testimony. So when some like you says prayer does not work, I just shake my head because my experience has been quite the contrary. :)

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SassyT, that is WONDERFUL news about your brother's healing! PRAISE THE LORD!!! I know that for those who Believe, Jesus is at the center of their need and can bring about MIRACULOUS results as with your brother.

The following site gives examples of what God has done in people's lives to bring them healing! Do scroll down on the right hand side a little and you will find a most interesting healing from God! There are so many people who have been healed through PRAYER as their Belief in God is Strong and Mighty! May God Bless Them Always!

Newday Ministries Pastor Katherine Ruonala Testimonies

[workerbee]

Sassy, I am glad about your brother but what does that prove? The reason I talk about amputees so much is that it can not happen. I know of people with AIDS and they have only slight problems so we don't know enough about that disease yet and how it behaves in the body. Look at magic johnson, he has nothing bothering him, he talked about it when he was on a radio a few years ago but with amputees that's a done deal or kids who have downs syndrome, that's all I am saying, afew years back there was a woman who had Hep C which is an incurable virus like in many cases the illness can go into remmison, some might say GOD it must GOD even though she felt better for time she still HAS the virus in her body Dormant for the time being. You have to be very careful about what you call a miracle. With your brother , I don't know but if you are all praying and he believes that it would work , well the mind is powerful, I don't have to tell you that it is plausible that he would go into remmison, but with some some conditions like losing a limb CANNOT br reversed period. God can't do a thing. Hopefullyyou are getting my point

Also sassy don't be unfair to me. I said I don't believe because I have never seen it when I tried and again about certain conditions that Can't reversed no matter whose god you believe in. that tells me something
Also I noticed you said you did not doubt God after that, which means you had to see something before you believed, we have more in common than I would have thought
The vatican looks into miracles and from what I remember there was only like 61 or so.
After BILIONS of prayers over many many years that's it, come on. (that last part was from memory I will look it up when I have time)
Skygem, thanks for your concern but you need not be. Let me tell you People like you are the religion of their community, that means no matter what you say if you were born in India you would be walking around with a red dot on your forehead and worshiping those gods, period.. . I guess you are saying I ill be burning in hell. Here is what I think If I am wrong and God does exist, a God who gave me a brain, reason, common sense, I don't think he would condemn me for using those tools. What kind of S O B God do you believe in? All I am doing using common sense.



workerbee

[SkyGem]

Skygem, thanks for your concern but you need not be. Let me tell you People like you are the religion of their community, that means no matter what you say if you were born in India you would be walking around with a red dot on your forehead and worshiping those gods, period. . . . I guess you are saying I ill be burning in hell. Here is what I think If i am wrong and God does exist, a God who gave me a brain, reason, common sense, I don't think he would condemn me for using those tools. What kind of S O B God do you believe in? All i am doing using common sense.
workerbee

The brain and the other things you mentioned will not and cannot bring Salvation for you. There is only ONE way, through acceptance of Jesus Christ as your Savior. But by all means, put it to the test and see what your "common sense" gets you when you stand before God at your judgment and try to use that line on Him as a means to your Salvation (assuming you would even want it later on when the time comes). But that is your problem from now on as you have rejected God and it is now on record.

[Fr_Chuck]

I am sorry, we know that Jesus even defeated death, so there is nothing beyond what he can do. But it is a fact that death and earthy problems are a part of our life on earth, and Christianity also teaches us how to live and learn to accept those things and have a Christian attitude.

I have seen a boy healed of rocky spoted mountain fever before, spots disappear as we prayed, I have seen many wonders that the Lord has did, and I have seen all of the evils that the world can bring.

[workerbee]

Why do you think there is so much medical research going on? It's because prayers don't work, doesn't take a genius. Lots of people pray for a healing then die. Is God fickle? Mean? Bias, racist? Or just plain lazy. The answer is easy

Skygem , you don't make any sense. I told you I was a Christian, during that time I never felt anything. I will trust my common sense over supersition anyday. Let me give a glimpse into the near future they are within 2 or 3 years of killing all cancers, developing nanites (microscopic robots) that will be injected into the blood and do various tasks keeping us healthy, then people will rely less and less on prayer for healing( which is good because it never works)at that point your God becomes less important in the lives of those people, we will only need God for immortality, but wait.. . I read a book that says in 2039 just 31 years from now we will have technology to download our analog brain onto a digital computer chip. I won't go into detail here, I am talking about your memories, sense of humor, etc . Your soul if you will. We will be immortal, never to die On that day your God will die
He will be as worthless as an old paint can.people are only hoping to get into heaven other than that they would ignore God It reminds me of a story about the greek Gods. Zeus is speaking to Hera, his wife.

Zeus: the humans are troublesome
Hera: why do we put up with them?
Zeus: we need them
Hera: Why?
Zeus: Because, when they stop believing in us , we die

So if I will live long enough I will be immortal.

Fr_chuck, you have to be careful what call a miracle, there are claims made all the time. Whenever investigated well lets just say disappointment is the result. That's why I mention certain conditions. Let your God grow limbs on the soldiers coming back from war, he won't do it I wonder why. I guess the poor guy is not as strong as he used to be. You might consider going over and worshipping another God

workerbee

[SkyGem]

Skygem , you don't make any sense. i told you i was a Christian, during that time i never felt anything. I will trust my common sense over supersition anyday.

And again, when you take that walk after you pass on, you will be alone in that. No one of your friends will be there to speak up for you before your judgment. You may not give it much importance now, but be assured that when the time comes you will wish thousands of times over that you had listened to what Scriptures say about Salvation. By then, it will be too late. But again, put it to the test! Take that risk if you are willing.

Fr_chuck, you have to be careful what call a miracle, there are claims made all the time. Whenever investigated well lets just say disappointment is the result. that's why i mention certain conditions. let your God grow limbs on the soliders coming back from war, he won't do it I wonder why. I guess the poor guy is not as strong as he used to be. You might consider going over and worshipping another God

workerbee

Actually, God HAS grown limbs back for your information! Look at this website and if you have any questions whatsoever, you are free to contact the pastors for further details and information on the MIRACLES that God has done through prayer! Go to the right side and scroll downwards until you get to "Leg Grows". There are many other examples of God's healing power being made manifest through PRAYER! So, there you are, you can no longer say that God cannot grow a limb back as He can do anything that is His Will.

Newday Ministries Pastor Katherine Ruonala Testimonies

[SkyGem]

Why do you think there is so much medical research going on? It's because prayers don't work, doesn't take a genius. Lots of people pray for a healing then die. Is God fickle? mean? bias, racist? or just plain lazy. the answer is easy

Skygem , you don't make any sense. i told you i was a Christian, during that time i never felt anything.
workerbee

Oh yeah? You say Prayers don't work? This is something you really need to read! Since you mention "medical research" this is a new item of interest on the Power of God in situations that are extreme and near hopeless. The family involved here PRAYED for a healing of their mother who was actually at death's door, and GUESS WHAT, She Did Not Die! This article should be most convincing since it involves medical personnel who are less likely to believe in MIRACLES.

ABC News: Nearly Dead, Woman Comes Back to Life

[workerbee]

First off skygem, I think you are trying way too hard to convince me I do not pretend to have all of the answers and I have become a bit cynical. Your examples were nothing special . In the second story the woman came back to life but does that happen often, it is a fluke, we don't know enough about the body. That's why when something happens it must be a miracle when it might not be. When my Father was in ICU there was another person who was sick we got to be friends with that family, They were like you Skygem, believing in the Bible as the word of god at least the sister was. They prayed and prayed and she died. The saying we learned was when you are old in the ICU your dead. Which seemed to happen a lot. Pray dosen't seem to help much. Once in while something strange happens it could be God who knows but he is not very consitent, it happens every blue moon so maybe it is not him.in the first story a leg supposely got longer When I was younger my little cousin had retinal blastoma, his parents brought him everywhere, even Boston, a great childerens' hospital. They finally went to a faith healer out of desperation and I went along. Father Diorio, something like that was the name of the faith healer. it was so packed I went up the balcony alone. A man was right in front of me had one leg shorter. The father yelled out some general symptoms and this man's wife said it must be for him so he went to the front of the balcony , the father made
Him say a few things, then said you are healed. The man aknowledged he was healed. Then hobbled back to his wife, leaned over to her, I leaned to hear, and he said" this is Bull...t." " his wife said Shhh shhh don't you embarass me." mean while the huge crowd thought another miracle had occurred which had not
I am speaking about the complete regeneration
Of a limb, fingers nerve endings skin, etc the whole shabang. It does not happen

PS on the history channel they had new info on the exodus you might like to see
With satellite photos they can follow the path of those Jews and discover what happened to them if the story is true. They also found the area the jews crossed, they said sea of reeds, they even know the name of the lake they crossed. I did not see all of it but the conclusion
Is that this story is REAL, I though you might like it. The name of the show is The Exodus decoded on the history channel. Some of the reasoning is very convincing even to the drowning of the egyptians although not the way you think Go on the history.com you might be able to find when they run it again .I want to see the whole show this time

workerbee

[sassyT]

[QUOTE]

sassy, I am glad about your brother but what does that prove? The reason I talk about amputees so much is that it can not happen. I know of people with AIDS and they have only slight problems so we don't know enough about that disease yet and how it behaves in the body. Look at magic johnson, he has nothing bothering him, he talked about it when he was on a radio a few years ago but with amputees that's a done deal or kids who have downs syndrome, that's all I am saying, afew years back there was a woman who had Hep C which is an incurable virus like in many cases the illness can go into remmison, some might say GOD it must GOD even though she felt better for time she still HAS the virus in her body Dormant for the time being. You have to be very careful about what you call a miracle. With your brother , I don't know but if you are all praying and he believes that it would work , well the mind is powerful, I don't have to tell you that it is plausible that he would go into remmison, but with some some conditions like losing a limb CANNOT br reversed period. God can't do a thing. Hopefullyyou are getting my point

A person with full blown AIDS is now healthy and HIV negative. That sound like a miracle to me. Even the non religious doctors said it was a miracle. So you can down play it all you want but that is just your opinion on the matter. The fact still remains that we prayed for healing and he was healed completely. Amen!
Read this Metacrock's Blog: Why Dosn't God heal Stupidity?

also sassy don't be unfair to me. I said I don't believe because I have never seen it when I tried and again about certain conditions that Can't reversed no matter whose god you believe in. that tells me something

Again God is not a magician.

Also I noticed you said you did not doubt God after that, which means you had to see something before you believed, we have more in common than I would have thought

Of course, I don't have blind faith. I believe in God because of what I have seen, heard and felt. I am the kind of person who believes only if there is evidence and there is an insurmountable amount of evidence for God.

The vatican looks into miracles and from what I remember there was only like 61 or so.
After BILIONS of prayers over many many years that's it, come on. (that last part was from memory I will look it up when I have time)

Don't bother... I coundnt care less what the vatican has to say about mirracles. I am not catholic and I doubt the vatican knows about the hundreds of miracles God has done in my life alone.

Skygem, thanks for your concern but you need not be. Let me tell you People like you are the religion of their community, that means no matter what you say if you were born in India you would be walking around with a red dot on your forehead and worshiping those gods, period.. . I guess you are saying I ill be burning in hell.
Here is what I think If I am wrong and God does exist, a God who gave me a brain, reason, common sense, I don't think he would condemn me for using those tools. What kind of S O B God do you believe in? All I am doing using common sense.

Lol actually if God does exist you're screwed :D God gave you a brain and you are not using it. You see everything around you trees, flowers, animals, complex biological systems like the digesive system, reproductive system, immune system etc and you come to the smart conclusion that it just apeared from no where by accident. If you were using your brain and common sense, a reasonable person would conclude that the complexity of design seen in our universe warrants an intelligent designer.
Its just like if I landed on Jupitor and found a complex functional machine that resembles a car and I come to the conclution that it just a apeared on jupitor from no where and evolved over time. A reasonable sensible person would conclude after seeing the machine that there must be intelligent life on Jupitor. Apparently you don't see things that way so God would condemn you for not using the brain he gave you. ;)

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So you don't have blind faith but I should have blind faith?
Come on sassy, You are saying that God is not a magician, I agree but he should be able to cure everything but he Can't I wonder why. That should tell an open-minded person something, not you of course Making excuses for your make-believe God? We need more reseacrh to find out why people like your brother was hepled but other prople aren't. To insist that only God cured your brother and it can't be anything else, is incredibly ignorant of any other posibility( shocking) that's how scientist learn , by asking questions not jumping on the God bandwagon. By the way does your brother still have the virus in his body? I am willing to bet he has. You should not show yourself to be so closed minded by dismissing what the Vatican has found they have scientists looking into prayer, not many miracles though, huh.. I think that proves me correct. Whose not using her brain now? When I read that worthless book I came away thinking that your God is a psychopath. I think you need a few weeks in ICU to see the pain and suffering and those people praying to a deaf God.
Read the letters of Mother Terasa, she had doubts about God for almost 50 years
In one letter she said something like When I pray I only get silence in return. Of course you know more than her. Let me guess you don't like her either. Try praying to Zeus you might get better results

How sad for you to be so afraid of God that you have to try to scare people into believing in him LOL If you convert enough people do you get a set of steak knives?



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sassyT disagrees: My brother was healed from full blown AIDS after we had 3 days of intercesion for him. Now he doesn't even have HIV. So don't tell me that God does not answer prayers.

I find this very hard to believe. It would be a medical first. I can't believe that you gave someone a reddie for that.