[barbiegirll]

My friends and I were arguing about this so I am going to ask you guys. =]


Do girls always "" or "squirt" or whatever during orgasm? Or what happens during orgasims for girls?

And...

Where does the "" or "squirt" or whatever you want to call it for a girl come out of, the vagina or urethra?

[kp2171]

This thread will likely be closed soon, since it's a debate that goes on and on...

no... most women do not. Yes, some claim to. If they do, its likely from the urethra. Mixed data about whether its prostatic-like fluid or a mix of prostatic and urine.

Short answer is an orgasm without detectable female ejaculation is not abnormal. Period.

[DrJ]

Agrees... its common either way.. some girls do, some don't. Im actually a believer that all girls can.. but that is a different story.

In my experience, it is typically purely prostatic-like fluid... however, with some girls, there has been traits that would make you think otherwise.

[KISS]

Orgasms for girls can be very very different. Some are barely noticeable and some are rather violent. Most are short, some are very long. Sometimes 1, sometimes many. Sometimes repititions, sometimes not.

[Synnen]

KP has the right of this--I'm sure this thread will end up closed sooner than later.

As is normal with this debate (since it's come up time and again) PLEASE keep your information to FACTS, with data that can be verified. In other words, I want your sources, and your "sources" need to be scientific, not personal experience.

[Choux]

I'd like to see some *medical facts* that verify that this so-called event called female ejaculation actually exists beyond being liquid and minute amounts of cellular excretion expelled from the female bladder via the urethra.

Until that time, I will not participate further in any discussions here on this subject since many folks here get really upset by them. :)

Love Life!

[MOWERMAN2468]

I'd like to see some *medical facts* that verify that this so-called event called female ejaculation actually exists beyond being liquid and minute amounts of cellular excretion expelled from the female bladder via the urethra.

Until that time, I will not participate further in any discussions here on this subject since many folks here get really upset by them. :)

Love Life!

Well I guess you need to hit the books. I am sure if you have enough time to look for the answer, it is there, it just may take you a while to get there.

[Fr_Chuck]

Theses are two different links ( seem to have the same title and name)

Female Ejaculation

Female Ejaculation

[kp2171]

Don't have it in me tonight to go nuts here...

Fr chuck... the issue is that none of those are primary research articles. Now... I disagree that this issue should only be supported with primary lit studies... if personal experience is worthless than most of my posts should be deleted, as I draw from personal experience in many posts. Yes, I also draw from personal education and reading, but my positions are often skewed by my own experiences.

That said, if you look at who is pro vs con... the second link you posted has many of the "pro" female ejaculate names cited. Grafenberg being the first big hitter on the list... as in mr grafenberg's spot... the g spot. Others such as whipple, belzer, perry, and zaviavic are among the latest researchers who claim it can occur, though in a minority of women.

For ex, Dr. Whipple is a prominent researcher, well respected, and honored by a number of organizations... she's professor emerta at rutgers, she has a PhD in psychobiology and has done research concerning neruophysiology (orgasms in women with partial paralysis, for ex), and was listed at one time as one of the most influential scientists in the world. So... she's not just a quack spewing noise on the internet. Then again, she is selling books, and that can jade a persons view.

My point is simple.

There is a lack of compelling, all-or-nothing evidence on both sides, in my opinion, from what I've seen.

I need to go to the local university and then the med school to get access to some primary lit I have earmarked to read. I don't have access online and I prefer anyway to have the journal in my hands to know it actually exists (or read it from a legit database). So... I promised a month ago to finish reviewing the articles and I haven't yet. Life gets in the way.

And when looking at articles and journals, I was actually surprised by the lack of evidence on either side of the issue that appeared in the most prominent journals. Meaning I think it's a tough issue to address from either side, or people just don't care to... and I don't think it's the later. Lots of money to be made if you can convincingly prove one way or another in the form of selling sex books. The primary lit seems thin... but there's all kinds of crap out there in other journals and online. As a scientist who has done research, the lack of top notch journals dealing with this tells me its just not a done deal one way or another.

And this is not unlike the other phenomenon grafenberg is famous for... the g spot... just that the proportions of women experiencing it are different.

While many women respond to g spot stim, not all do, and some experience no sexual stim in this region due to either little innervation or different neural processing. Nobody will likely deny that the spongy, erectile tissue exists... but after 60 years there is still a debate on how important the g spot is. For women who experience pleasurable stimulation there, its an empowering thing. For those who do not, it can be interpreted as a disappointing failure of their bodies. It is NOT a clear cut phenomenon.

Well same thing with female ejaculation. I think many, even most, will not experience it. But those who write in, with real concern, when they experience orgasm and have a large volume of liquid present that doesn't seem to resemble urine... it's a possibility, in my mind.

I am scientist by training. Absence of proof is not proof of absence. Its also not support for either.

As for the porn industry's version, I wouldn't trust a thing I saw in any xxx movie concerning reality.

[Synnen]

OKay, okay... KP has convinced me.

Personal experience may be posted in this thread. Go crazy with your bad selves.

But:

1. I will NOT have the "it's urine!" "No it's not!" argument going on for pages and pages. If that's all you have to say about it, then only post ONCE.

2. I will not have people getting nasty to each other. If you can't keep it civil, I'll delete your posts. Period.

I agree with KP that there seems to be a lack of overwhelming evidence that says either it is or isn't urine, so keep in mind any answers may or may not be "proof" of anything.

[Choux]

I'm not going to participate in any more discussions about "female ejaculation"(if anyone wonders why, contact me privately)... I did a load of research very recently in addition to my previous inquiries about this phenomenon, and I am satisfied with the conclusion I reached based on scientific exploration and anatomy... and my extensive personal sexual experience.


Love Life!

[kp2171]

OK.