[SkyGem]

Those are all excellent topics to judge a candidate: you decide to pick a sermon attendance and lapel pin. Pathetic.

So let me get this straight, while the topics you mentioned are all important, are you intimading that Patriotism to one's country, especially when you're running for the highest office in the land is not as important or somehow should be shelved if the candidate is not truly patriotic? I really want to understand that train of thought.

[BABRAM]

News Flash! McCain and Hillary haven't been wearing their flag pins for quite a while now.

You mean it's just a rumor that John McCain rises for revelry, spends the day with his right arm across his chest, hand over heart, reciting the pledge of allegiance on the hour?

[SkyGem]

I wanna play the "new revelation" game! Let me Guess! George W Bush believed that G-d told him to go to war in Iraq and now Jesus has told you to vote for McCain?!

Wrong on at least your second guess but Jesus did give me a great mind with which to question things, especially done by those vying for the nation's highest office.

[BABRAM]

Au contraire! I see no evidence of that proclaimed greatness. I have read of biases, hypocrisy, and minimal balance.

[Wondergirl]

So let me get this straight, while the topics you mentioned are all important, are you intimading that Patriotism to one's country, especially when you're running for the highest office in the land is not as important or somehow should be shelved if the candidate is not truly patriotic? I really want to understand that train of thought.

Your definition of patriotism is wearing a flag pin? Like, I should vote for someone simply because he/she wears a flag pin?

Btw, Obama voted to require the Pledge of Allegiance to be recited each school day by students in secondary education institutions receiving public funds. [92nd GA, SB 1634, 3/7/02, 3R P; 54-0-0; P.A. 92-0612, 7/3/02; 92nd GA, HB 2077, 11/28/01, 3R P; 56-0-0].

The email-circulated photo was taken not during the pledge of allegiance but during the star spangled banner. Said Obama, "I was taught by my grandfather that you put your hand over your heart during the pledge, but during the Star Spangled Banner, you sing!"

Someone started an email that included "the [Time] article said" that Obama refused to say the pledge and would not put his hand on his heart. There is no such article on the Time Web site and searches of the Web and newspaper-magazine databases could only find blog postings that repeat the claim from the e-mail. It's unclear where the allegation originated." (St. Petersburg Times, 11/9/07) It has been called SCURRILOUS AND FALSE BY OTHER NEWS SOURCES.

Obama answered the flag pin question by saying, "I'm less concerned about what you are wearing on your lapel than what's in your heart."

Wrong on at least your second guess but Jesus did give me a great mind with which to question things, especially done by those vying for the nation's highest office.

Questioning is one issue. Discernment is another.

[SkyGem]

Au contraire! I see no evidence of that proclaimed greatness. I have read of biases, hypocrisy, and minimal balance.

By golly you finally did it! I knew you would take a good look in the mirror at yourself and finally come out with your self-appraisal and your true worth and in such realistic terms! Way to go, BABRAM!

Your definition of patriotism is wearing a flag pin? Like, I should vote for someone simply because he/she wears a flag pin?

What is it that's so disturbing to him about that? If one truly LOVES their country, they are not ashamed to wear the American flag pin, fyi! Why would they be!

Btw, Obama voted to require the Pledge of Allegiance to be recited each school day by students in secondary education institutions receiving public funds. [92nd GA, SB 1634, 3/7/02, 3R P; 54-0-0; P.A. 92-0612, 7/3/02; 92nd GA, HB 2077, 11/28/01, 3R P; 56-0-0].

Hey, that's great news to hear! Only one problem -- I wish he would practice what he allegedly preaches!

Obama answered the flag pin question by saying, "I'm less concerned about what you are wearing on your lapel than what's in your heart."

Ah yes, he is so known for being the eternal poet...but when it comes to answering the questions directly, suddenly He Don't Know It!

[Wondergirl]

Ah yes, he is so known for being the eternal poet...but when it comes to answering the questions directly, suddenly He Don't Know It!

I don't wear a flag pin or even fly a flag from my front porch. Am I unpatriotic? It would be a sorry state of affairs if that's the criterion on which we judge patriotism.

He's been very direct with his answers, and has done his best to run a clean campaign. Too bad he doesn't wear a gold cross on a cord around his neck so we know he's a Christian.

[BABRAM]

By golly you finally did it! I knew you would take a good look in the mirror at yourself and finally come out with your self-appraisal and your true worth and in such realistic terms! Way to go, SkyGem!

When Moshiach comes, all the sick will be healed; only a fool will stay a fool.

[BABRAM]

Persimmon, prunes, and wild nuts.

[Wondergirl]

Persimmon, prunes, and wild nuts.

I'd better cut down on my prune intake.

[Skell]

Does going over this old ground over and over put anyone else to sleep? Snore...

[Wondergirl]

Does going over this old ground over and over put anyone else to sleep? Snore.......

No. This is emotionally and psychically helpful to me. The more we discuss this topic, the calmer I become as I realize that Obama will be the Democratic candidate to go up against McCain.

I will sing you a lullabye... "tura lura lura...."

[Skell]

Ahhh, that's better. I hope you're right Wondergirl.