For thousands of years, Satan has been bringing dishonor and disdain to God’s Holy Name. Matter of fact, most Bible Translations have deleted, defaced, and removed God’s Name from scripture.
How does (Psalm 83:18) read in your Bible?
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For thousands of years, Satan has been bringing dishonor and disdain to God’s Holy Name. Matter of fact, most Bible Translations have deleted, defaced, and removed God’s Name from scripture.
How does (Psalm 83:18) read in your Bible?
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Good to know. From now on I'll give the quote:“Thatmenmay know that thou, whose name aloneisJEHOVAH,artthe most high over all the earth.” (Psalms 83:18 KJV)
Does answering your own question actually have a point ?
So there are variances in translations, what does it matter, you read the version you prefer.
Exodus 3:14 -- I Am that I Am (אֶהְיֶה אֲשֶׁר אֶהְיֶה, ehyeh ašer ehyeh)
Twitter 8:13 -- I Am President, and You're Not. Trump the Rump.
"I Am who Am". Moses asked God for a name." Who shall I say sent me".Thus you shall say to the Sons of Israel "I AM has sent me to you" Paraphrased from Exodus. God, Jehovah, Adonai, Yahweh and other names were added by man. Jesus references that in John saying, "before Abraham existed, I AM.".
Even though the scriptures state that Moses spoke to God face to face, the scriptures also state, "No man has seen God at any time" (John 1:18). Moses was speaking to the 'I am' God's Personal Messenger, his Word.
"And the Angel of Jehovah appeared to him in a flame of fire out of the midst of a thorn-bush: and he looked, and behold, the thorn-bush burned with fire, and the thorn-bush was not being consumed." (Exodus 3:2 Darby)
Even the Apostle Paul refers to this angel as the 'I am". An angel of God, not God himself. All angels existed before Abraham.
Are you a Witness?Quote:
Originally Posted by Brother Rando
Yes and so was Jesus. "These things said the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God;" (Rev 3:14 KJV)
You are putting words in from your translation. Go back to Greek, Hebrew or Aramaic. This is not a platform to support your agenda. " Yes, and so was Jesus". Jehovah is a modern translation. Why not call Him Michael the Archangel? Isn't that a Witness belief?
Arthur Clarke proposed that man's only purpose was to elucidate all the names of God
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Use any translation you like. As you can see, I used the KJV. "These things said the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God;" (Rev 3:14 KJV)
The Greek word beginning is Arche'.
Strong's Concordance
Arché: beginning, origin
Original Word: ἀρχή, ῆς, ἡ
Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine
Transliteration: arché
Phonetic Spelling: (ar-khay')
Short Definition: ruler, beginning
Definition: (a) rule (kingly or magisterial), (b) plur: in a quasi-personal sense, almost: rulers, magistrates, (c) beginning.
HELPS Word-studies
746 arxḗ – properly, from the beginning (temporal sense), i.e. "the initial (starting) point"; (figuratively) what comes first and therefore is chief (foremost), i.e. has the priority because ahead of the rest ("preeminent").
Creations are spoken of in the feminine sense. Jesus had a beginning as in Archangel or bright morning star. "I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star." (Rev 22:16 KJV) Are you now going to deny Jesus is the I am?
One of the more amazing things I've come across on the internet is how 70-75 books written 2,000-2,500 years ago, not a single one in a modern language, and by as many different authors, can be so parsed and nit-picked that dozens (thousands?) of different translations/explanations/theories can be offered with each one giving a critical view not supported by any of the others.
Poor Jesus. He wanted people to think past the surface of things, but this has gotten ridiculous.
6 billion humans in the world, and they all probably mean the same just sounds different.
God/Yahweh/I Am:
He never had a beginning. Every child asks, “Who made God?” And every wise parent says, “Nobody made God. God simply is. And always was. No beginning.”
Agreed. But they shouldn't beat each other up over it.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
No one's opening the door to JW's anymore, so now they've taken to the internet? Sigh.
(All of a sudden a whole bunch of posters here - the backyard barbecues must be over - US Independence Day and, I think, Canada celebrating its own - so who's cleaning up outside as you guys are internetting? - are the little kids calming down - Uncle Joe falling asleep in the living room chair? - teenagers going out to meet the crowd? -------------------)
Ok - back. Wondergirl - I don't think anyone denied Jesus is God. At least in this thread. The original question was about seeing God - the face of God. Unless I missed something in the JW post which I found hard to understand.
Brother Rando: Are you now [bold mine/WG's] going to deny Jesus is the I am?Quote:
Originally Posted by Athos
WG: I took that statement as meaning that someone in this thread had denied Jesus is God, but I couldn't find it, so I deleted my statement in my post.
Athos, Canada day is on July 1st. The Canadians cleaned up days ago. :)
Thank you. Canada always struck me as the neater of the two countries - maybe due to cooler weather.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alty
The God and Father has no beginning because he is eternal. However, the son was begotten (John 3:16) and has a beginning (Rev 3:14). Since Jesus was begotten then there was a time when he was not.
Here's some 1 Peter 1:3 translations:
Praise be to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ (NIV)
Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ! (ESV)
Praise the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ! (GW)
Jesus is "the Christ, the Son of the living God." (Matthew 16:16)
Gen. 1:26 (KJV) Then God said, “Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brother Rando
John 10:30(NIV) I and the Father are one.
According to Christian doctrine, Jesus the Christ is one of the Persons of the Trinity. The other two are God the Father and the Holy Spirit.
Jesus has a God and Father. Here's a quote from Jesus Christ. "You have heard how I said to you, I go away, and come again to you. If you loved me, you would rejoice, because I said, I go to the Father: for my Father is greater than I." (John 14:28 KJV)
The trinity is not a Christian Doctrine nor can it be found in the Bible.
Then, by your estimation, what happens to those who believe in the Trinity?Quote:
Originally Posted by Brother Rando
Since Jesus is the beginning of Creation (Rev 3:14) accepting the Deity of Christ is important. And yes we believe in the Deity.
Strong's Concordance
theotés: deityOriginal Word: θεότης, ητος, ἡ
Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine
Transliteration: theotés
Phonetic Spelling: (theh-ot'-ace)
Short Definition: deity, Godhead
Definition: deity, Godhead.
Even Moses was part of the Godhead in how God gives others authority to others whom represent him. Moses was called God, does that make him God?
The Godhead is explained at (1 Corinthians 11:3) "But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God."
The scripture is clear about salvation. "For if you publicly declare with your mouth that Jesus is Lord, and exercise faith in your heart that God raised him up from the dead, you will be saved." (Romans 10:9)
There is no scripture stating salvation in the trinity. If you can show me one, I am willing to listen to it.
Did I say there is?Quote:
Originally Posted by Brother Rando
The Apostles' Creed, The Nicene Creed, and The Athanasian Creed all profess the Trinitarian doctrine and are statements of faith by Christian churches.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brother Rando
Whether the Trinity is Christian or not is not for me to say. But the fact of the matter is that it was not considered officially a part of the new faith until a few hundred years after Jesus at one of the Church Councils. Support for the Trinity biblically seems forced and depends on a curious reading of certain passages in the Bible.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
"The Apostles' Creed, The Nicene Creed, and The Athanasian Creed all profess the Trinitarian doctrine" There's a big difference between Christians that preach that Jesus is the Christ and trinitarians who proclaim that Jesus is God. You will not find a single scripture that states, "Jesus is God".
God is a Spirit, and those worshipping him must worship with spirit and truth." (John 4:24)
"Nevertheless, the hour is coming, and it is now, when the true worshippers will worship the Father with spirit and truth, for indeed, the Father is looking for ones like these to worship him." (John 4:23)
Does the trinity state that "God is a Spirit'? Jesus Christ does... Jesus started the preaching work almost 2,000 years ago and sent his followers from door to door in twos. That Preaching Work is now reaching its' Conclusion.
"And this good news of the Kingdom will be preached in all the inhabited earth for a witness to all the nations, and then the end will come." (Matthew 24:14)
"Look! I am standing at the door and knocking. If anyone hears my voice and opens the door, I will come into his house and take the evening meal with him and he with me." (Rev 3:20)
Take Care.
The problem is that those languages are dead. We don't have any more native speakers to tell us what everything means. We give it out best shot, and different people come up with different conclusions. That's the way it goes with any literature in a dead language.
amen !!Quote:
Originally Posted by dwashbur
Quote all you want, JW's are great at that! How about "1889 "In the coming 26 years, all present governments will be overthrown and dissolved." (C.T. Russell, Studies in the Scriptures, Vol. 2, p. 98-99, 1889) Inspired?
I know exactly who the I am is... Paul referred to him as the angel of God. In Acts 27:23. But will you humble yourself to see? Acts 27:23 Greek Text Analysis
"For there stood by me this night the angel of God, whose I am, and whom I serve," (Acts 27:23 KJV)
Your church is lying to you... Wake up O' Sleeper...
Strong's Transliteration Greek English Morphology 3936 [e] parestē παρέστη stood by V-AIA-3S 1063 [e] gar γάρ indeed Conj 1473 [e] moi μοι me PPro-D1S 3778 [e] tautē ταύτῃ this DPro-DFS 3588 [e] tē τῇ - Art-DFS 3571 [e] nykti νυκτὶ night N-DFS 3588 [e] tou τοῦ - , Art-GMS 2316 [e] Theou Θεοῦ, of God, N-GMS 3739 [e] hou οὗ whose RelPro-GMS 1510 [e] eimi εἰμι, am V-PIA-1S 1473 [e] egō [ἐγώ] I PPro-N1S 3739 [e] hō ᾧ whom RelPro-DMS 2532 [e] kai καὶ and Conj 3000 [e] latreuō λατρεύω, I serve, V-PIA-1S 32 [e] angelos ἄγγελος an angel, N-NMS
Exodus 3:14 -- I Am that I Am (אֶהְיֶה אֲשֶׁר אֶהְיֶה, ehyeh ašer ehyeh)
Read Exodus 3:2, it states angel of Jehovah.
The Apostle Paul also refers to the I am as the angel of God in Acts 27:23.
For there stood by me this night the angel of God, whose I am, and whom I serve, Acts 27:23
Whose means who is... For there stood by me this night the angel of God, who is I am, and whom I serve, Acts 27:23
Well, this is confusing. A similar question was asked with different text which I answered. However, a Curly Ben decided it was a duplicate question and referred THAT thread to THIS thread, omitting my answer at THAT thread.
So I will post it again.
To the Question Does God Have A Name? I answered:
Of course He does. "God" is one of them. Others are - Lord, Yahweh, Elohim, Adonai, Allah, Brahma, Krishna, and more too numerous to mention.
I think what you mean is - "Does God have a name He calls Himself and which He has revealed to humankind?"
Some say yes, some say no.
In any case, what if He does or He doesn't? What is the import of your question?
"Jehovah produced me as the beginning of his way, The earliest of his achievements of long ago. 23 From ancient times I was installed, From the start, from times earlier than the earth. 24 When there were no deep waters, I was brought forth, When there were no springs overflowing with water. 25 Before the mountains were set in place, Before the hills, I was brought forth," (Proverbs 8:22-24)Quote:
Gen. 1:26 (KJV) Then God said, “Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness.
John 10:30(NIV) I and the Father are one.
According to Christian doctrine, Jesus the Christ is one of the Persons of the Trinity. The other two are God the Father and the Holy Spirit.
But unto them who are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God. (1 Corinthians 1:24 KJV)
Wisdom is spoken of in the feminine sense, likewise beginning for Jesus was begotten, created, made, brought forth.
Strong's Concordance
sophia: skill, wisdomOriginal Word: σοφία, ας, ἡ
Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine
Transliteration: sophia
Phonetic Spelling: (sof-ee'-ah)
Short Definition: wisdom
Definition: wisdom, insight, skill (human or divine), intelligence.
Athos, the cooler weather is only in the winter. This weekend is supposed to get up to a balmy 35C (95F) in my neck of the woods, and 40C (104F) just a few hours drive away. Can't run the AC in our trailer as we don't have a hookup site, and we'll be camping in the deep woods this weekend. Hoping the trees provide a lot of shade because menopause sucks in the heat. :)
Sorry, I'm hijacking the thread.
Back to the conversation about God. Carry on. :)
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