What would have happened if Adam and Eve ate from the tree of life?
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What would have happened if Adam and Eve ate from the tree of life?
They did, all the time. That's why God kicked them out of the Garden after the Fall, so they wouldn't be able to eat of it any longer.
Genesis 3 --
22 And the Lord God said, “The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil. He must not be allowed to reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life and eat, and live forever.” 23 So the Lord God banished him from the Garden of Eden to work the ground from which he had been taken. 24 After he drove the man out, he placed on the east side[e] of the Garden of Eden cherubim and a flaming sword flashing back and forth to guard the way to the tree of life.
Agree with wondergirl. But if they had continued to eat from the tree of life, they wouldn't have died. And we could take wacks at them to this very day. Ha
They only got one bite of the apple. :)
Mcsap,
I think you are thinking of the tree of knowledge of good and evil.
Speaking of that tree, I heard a pastor once liken it to the law. The law showed man what was good and what was evil. I thought that was interesting... thought I'd throw that out there.
Where's the parade? The marching bands? The baton twirlers? The big men riding on little scooters? The convertibles carrying the parade queen and the princesses?Quote:
Originally Posted by classyT
CLASSYT AND I AGREE ON SOMETHING!!!!!!!
Wrong tree.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mcsap9213
WG.
LOL... hey miracles happen everyday!
The entire Bible is narrative about God testing the moral judgment of our first parents on earth, and there poor judgment. God wanted Adam and Eve to eat from the tree of life which would have greatly changed everything on earth. Through out the Bible we see God's process of bringing restoration back to man so that once again man has the option of partaking from the tree of life.
What would have happened if Adam, and Eve did eat from this tree. It would be exactly the same thing that happens to us when we do partake of this tree. In the Book of Revelations it tells us what happens to a child of God after they eat from it.
Rev 22:13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.
Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city.
Rev 22:15 For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.
When a Christian does God's commandments it gives them the “right” to the tree of life. We of ourselves have no rights to this tree, we did not earn it, or even deserve it. The word “right” means “ability, and power”. If we do his commandments it gives us power and ability to eat from the tree of life! If Adam and Eve had kept God's commandment to guard the garden they would have eventually partook of life.
It is very interesting that the King James Bible is the only translation that says “ Blessed are they that do his commandments,” all other Bible translations say it this way “Blessed are those who wash their robes, so that they may have the right to the tree of life...” Doing God's commandments is the same thing as “washing of robes” How do we wash our robes?
1Jn 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
Confessing our sins to God is washing our robes. First, God forgives us, and then he will cleanse us from all unrighteousness (the Blood of Jesus Christ cleanses us from all sin)!
Do you want the power and ability to eat from the tree of life right now? You must understand this to believe it, there is no faith without understanding. It requires Wisdom from God before this reality can become real to you.
Pro 14:33 Wisdom resteth in the heart of him that hath understanding: but that which is in the midst of fools is made known.
Wisdom = understanding, understanding = Wisdom. This is why Jesus said “ he that heareth the word of the Kingdom and does not understand it, Satan steals the word, but he that heareth the word of the Kingdom, and understand it brings some thirty, sixty, one hundred fold return” (Matt 13:19) The only people who prosper in God's Kingdom are those who have understanding of it.
Are you hearing the word of the Kingdom right now? Are you understanding it? You my brothers and sisters have the power in you right this second, if you are understanding what is being said.
But eating from the tree of life is only the beginning, look at what happens after you do eat from the tree of life... ”that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city.” The purpose of the tree of life is give us wisdom of what God did in the beginning before the earth was ever created, way before Adam, and Eve. This was the hidden Wisdom that God never told anybody from the beginning. It could only be found by those who partake from the tree of life!
If Adam and Eve did eat from this tree of life, they would walked right through the gates of the Heavenly City that God had prepared before the foundation of the world!! Some might say this is only going to happen after we die, or Jesus returns, after judgment. Notice only Gods elect can enter as it is written.
Rev 22:15 For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie”
When Jesus said it was finished, he really meant it was finished.
Rev 22:16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.
Rev 22:17 And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.
Curtis :)
They did whenever they wanted to. Once they ate from the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil, no more eating from the Tree of Life.Quote:
Originally Posted by Curtis Wilson
We aren't told how long they lived in the Garden. It could have been thousands of years.
Adam and Eve NEVER ate from the tree of Life. That is why God kicked them out of the garden so they would not eat from it and live forever in a fallen stateQuote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
Curtis
Of course they did! That was their gift from God, to be able to eat from that tree and live forever. Only ONE tree could not be eaten from.Quote:
Originally Posted by Curtis Wilson
In heaven, we too will eat from the Tree of Life.
Gen 3:22 And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever: Gen 3:23 Therefore the LORD God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground whence he was taken.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
Curtis
Yes, AFTER they had sinned. He had to kick them out of the Garden so they could no longer eat from the Tree of Life in their sin.Quote:
Originally Posted by Curtis Wilson
BEFORE they had sinned, God told them to eat of all trees in the Garden except for ONE.
Gen. 2:16,17 (KJV): And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat, but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.:
If Adam had eaten from the tree of life he would have eternal life at that exact moment onward. There were many trees in the garden, not just two. Only two were singled out to be of importance. No, not some day will we be allowed to eat from the tree of life. It is right now.. today... not someday. If you want to wait for some latter time, that's up to you. But I were you I would not wait, because you are missing out on some blessing indescribable.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
The Lord said he (Adam) could eat from any tree in the garden, not just one.
Gen 2:16 The LORD God gave the man a command. He said, "You can eat the fruit of any tree that is in the garden.
Gen 2:17 But you must not eat the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. If you do, you can be sure that you will die."
Curtis
Only ONE tree was forbidden. They may have been enjoying the Garden for thousands of years, eating from the Tree of Life.Quote:
Originally Posted by Curtis Wilson
The Tree of Life gives immortality. We do not yet eat from it.
You are very, very incorrect about the trees. Call any minister or priest in your town and ask. In fact, you are the first person I've met who ever had such a notion about the Tree of Life.
And now you are preaching to me?
If Adam, Eve had eaten from the tree of life, they would have walked right through the gates of the City God had prepared from the foundations of the world. Even in nature we see the animal kingdom always prepare a place have there young, before they do. That is not fluke of nature, it was God designed. The Lord is no different, he has prepared a city for his children which we are. You can not enter through its gates until you eat from the tree of life! If God said,Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
Gen 3:22 The LORD God said, "The man has become like one of us. He can now tell the difference between good and evil. He must not be allowed to reach out his hand and pick fruit from the tree of life and eat it. If he does, he will live forever." Gen 3:23 So the LORD God drove the man out of the Garden of Eden to work the ground he had been made of.
Who are we to call God a liar, if he said ,” He must not be allowed to reach out his hand and pick fruit from the tree of life...”!!! I choose to believe God.
"you are the first person I've met who ever had such a notion about the Tree of Life."
I do not believe in the traditions of man which makes the word of God ineffective, Wisdom can not be transferred from one man to another, it only comes down from above. Jesus had the same reaction to his message from the religious leaders of his day. They never heard this kind of doctrine before until Jesus came along. Yet he read the scriptures as they did.
Curtis
Your quotes are AFTER the FALL. We are talking about BEFORE the FALL.Quote:
Originally Posted by Curtis Wilson
BEFORE the Fall, they ate from the Tree of Life. The Garden of Eden WAS Paradise, heaven, perfection.
You are not thinking clearly or reading with discernment.
Curtis,
Hmmmm? I don't know Curtis, they could have partook of it before they ate from the tree of knowledge of good and evil. I don't think you have enough scripture to back up your thoughts.
And they may have been in the Garden for thousands of years before the Fall. They did have to name all the animals, and that certainly took a few years.Quote:
Originally Posted by classyT
WG,
It is true.. we really have no clue how long they were there. ( OH LORD... I think I agreed with you again.) lol
I'm beginning to feel a bit dizzy. Does this mean I will be sending you a Christmas card?Quote:
Originally Posted by classyT
WG,
Lets not press our luck. Ha ha... we will be at it again soon. I can feel it in me bones.
Well, Those who believe that Adam did eat from the tree of life before his fall have no scripture to back up that claim, only assumptions. I have the testimony of God himself who said,Quote:
Originally Posted by classyT
Gen 3:22 The LORD God said, "The man has become like one of us. He can now tell the difference between good and evil. He must not be allowed to reach out his hand and pick fruit from the tree of life and eat it. If he does, he will live forever."
Can a Christian ever lose there salvation? no. Once you have life eternal it can not be taken away.no. Can death kill life? no. Can darkness overcome light? no. If Adam had eaten from the tree of life before the fall, he would not have died. The scripture tells us in Revelations 22 what happens to a person who eats from the tree of life, they are given power and ability to enter into God's Holy City which he prepared for man before time began. Adam never enter the gates of this Holy City, he only lived in the garden which is not that city God prepared for his Church.
Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
Curtis
That was AFTER they ate of the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil. You have been given Bible passages that say they ate of ALL trees (including the Tree of Life) except for that one (the tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil). Do I have to type them out again? Okay, I will.Quote:
Originally Posted by Curtis Wilson
Gen. 2:16,17 (KJV): And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of EVERY tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat, but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.:
No, that is why he and Eve were kicked out of the Garden -- so they would STOP eating from the Tree of Life.Quote:
Originally Posted by Curtis Wilson
Curtis,
I follow your train of thought. I do. Going to study this a bit further today and get back with you. Notice in the verse Revelation that they had the RIGHT to eat of the tree of life. Adam had the right before he ate of the tree of knowledge but he lost the right. I will get back to you. I know you are on pins and needles awaiting my thoughts. ;)
If they hadn't eaten from the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil and thus sinned, they would have lived forever. How could that have happened unless they were eating from the Tree of Life? And you and I agree that they could have already been alive for thousands of years.Quote:
Originally Posted by classyT
Eating from the Tree of Life is not a one-time event, a one-shot deal, then bingo! Bango! You live forever. It is a continuous privilege that we will enjoy in heaven, just as Adam and Eve had enjoyed doing that in the Garden.
I knew about a man name Adam who ate from the tree of life, and received life eternal, "what ever happened to him""? He died..Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
He died because he ate from the forbidden tree and was no longer able to continue eating from the Tree of Life.Quote:
Originally Posted by Curtis Wilson
WG,
EXACTLY... it wasn't a one time event. It is a continuous privlege. Well stated.
Lets look at this from another perspective. What was the tree of the knowledge of good and evil? Was there a tree that had some kind of mystic powers that could kill people? The tree of knowledge of good and evil did not have any poison in it, it was just a plain fruit tree in the garden, it was not bad. We know this to be true because in the very last verse of Gen 1 it says,
Gen 1:31 And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.
Every tree in the garden was good!! The Lord just chose one tree out of many as an instrument to test Adam, and Eves moral judgment. When they disobeyed, it was not the fruit that killed them, but there own guilt and shame from knowing they had disobeyed God. Guilt, condemnation is a KILLER! That is why we read that there is now no condemnation to them who are in Christ Jesus. Only the blood of Jesus Christ can take this guilt, shame, and condemnation away! Adam and Eve used all the technology they had available to them at that time in an attempt to get rid of it. Sewing fig leaves together, and hiding from God was all they had. It did not help them. The guilt and shame remained in them. They needed a Saviour.
What about the tree of life, what is it? What does it represent? We know Jesus called himself the true vine, the bread of life. All life flows from him. My words are Spirit, and they are life. I do not know if you have figured this out or not, but Jesus is the tree of life. It is where we gain Wisdom from.
Jesus was made to be our Wisdom from God. It is from him where we gain eternal life. When you read the book of proverbs you will discover that those who have Wisdom, it is a tree of life!
Pro 3:13 Happy is the man that findeth wisdom, and the man that getteth understanding.
Pro 3:14 For the merchandise of it is better than the merchandise of silver, and the gain thereof than fine gold.
Pro 3:15 She is more precious than rubies: and all the things thou canst desire are not to be compared unto her.
Pro 3:16 Length of days is in her right hand; and in her left hand riches and honour.
Pro 3:17 Her ways are ways of pleasantness, and all her paths are peace.
Pro 3:18 She is a tree of life to them that lay hold upon her: and happy is every one that retaineth her.
She Wisdom will give you lone life. How long? “Eternal”
She Wisdom is better than gold or silver
She Wisdom is more precious than ruby's, or diamonds
She Wisdom is a tree of life to them that l have lay hold upon her.
She Wisdom will make you very happy
Jesus said everyone the Father has given unto, I will lose not one,
John 6:39 And this is the will of Him Who sent Me, that I should not lose any of all that He has given Me, but that I should give new life and raise [them all] up at the last day.
John 10:29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.
Joh 10:30 I and my Father are one.
When Jesus, who is the tree of life, gives life, he does not ever change his mind, it is for ever. No man, and that includes yourself can pluck yourself out of the Fathers hands! If Jesus had given life to Adam, he would never have taken it back!! Those who have eternal life will never die!!
Curtis
And your point is what? No one is debating this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Curtis Wilson
It is impossible for Adam to have eaten from the tree of life (which is Jesus Christ) and then die. Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today and forever. He (Jesus) never gives life and then takes it away. He never allows those who are his to die.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
Curtis
Hmmmm. I've eaten from the tree of life (which is Jesus Christ) and I am going to die.Quote:
Originally Posted by Curtis Wilson
Jesus didn't take life away from Adam and Eve. They had free will and made that choice themselves.
That's exactly what I mean, Jesus did not take life away from Adam, because he never had eternal life! If he did he would never had died, and that was God's point in kicking them out of the garden!Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
So you don't believe the Bible? "He that believeth in me shall never die.." as Jesus said.
You are making the original question murky by bring in unrelated concepts.Quote:
Originally Posted by Curtis Wilson
Adam had eternal life until he ate from the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil. Then God told him and Eve they would have to die as a result of that disobedience.
You're not figuring you will die and leave this earth?
You are coming at me with logic, reasoning and tradition about the Holy Scriptures. I am coming at you in the realm of the spirit. I do not see scriptures from a physical or logical point of view. Because the natural man receives not the things of the spirit of God, neither can he know them for they are spiritually understood. Mans mind is incapable of discovering spiritual truth, it only believes what to tell it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
No, you aren't. You are coming at me from the angle of someone who hasn't studied the Bible for very long, who has decided he is speaking truth, and who apparently has had no input from learned theologians.Quote:
Originally Posted by Curtis Wilson
I'm currently doing a phone survey of area ministers and priests. No one so far agrees with your take on the Garden and the trees and eternal life. I suggest you also do your own phone survey.
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