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Elements of this have appeared in various posts and threads, so let's see if we can bring them all together.
My working hypothesis is that there is no conflict between scientific estimates of the age of Earth and the Bible. Give your thoughts and prepare to defend them with something of substance. I will be defending the Biblical position, with help from all interested parties.
We may not arrive at consesus, but maybe it should be interesting. Good will to all!
See, I cannot disagree with your thoughts. If God did as he says it is perfectly logical that the earth is as old as the mad scientists of the world want us to believe. Between Ge 1:1 and Ge 1;31 there is no actual time line listed except that God did it in six days. So the question has to be what is a day to God?
Scripture in Genesis says that it consists of the passage of one evening and one morning - nothing more.Quote:
Originally Posted by 450donn
Often people take the reference that a day is as a thousand years out of context and apply it to this, but if you look at that passgae, it is solely an analogy regarding God's long suffering towards the lost.
2 Peter 3:8-9
8 But, beloved, do not forget this one thing, that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. 9 The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some count slackness, but is longsuffering toward us, not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance.
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I believe that there is a time gap between Gen. 1:1 and 1:3 that could have been of ANY length. Beginning with verse 3 we have the record of God re-creating life on this planet, and it would have been 6 literal days.
This accounts for all ancient fossils and does not show any evidence of Biblical error.
I may get flack from two sides on this, but it makes sense to me.
First, it is important that we establish doctrine based upon what scripture does say, not on silence.Quote:
Originally Posted by galveston
Second, there are several issues with this theory.
- Death on earth started when sin entered the world. To suggest that there was death beforehand would be a denial of the gospel, and minimizing the importance of Jesus' defeat of death.
- Scripture is clear that creation from start to end took only six days - that includes heavens and earth. This is clear not just from Genesis but elsewhere in scripture:
Ex 20:11
11 For in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day.
NKJV
- There was no land prior to Gen 1:2
Gen 1:2-3
2 The earth was without form, and void; and darkness was on the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters.
NKJV
Without land, the gap theory falls apart since those who promote the gap theory suggest that this explains what they believe to be age, fossils etc. of land animals and plants.
The word "was" in verse 2 is:
a primitive root [compare 1933]; to exist, i.e. be or become, come to pass (always emphatic, and not a mere copula or auxiliary):
KJV-- beacon, X altogether, be (-come), accomplished, committed, like), break, cause, come (to pass), do, faint, fall, + follow, happen, X have, last, pertain, quit (oneself-), require, X use.
Indicates that the "void and without form" is somehing that happened.
When God created (or re-created) things, each time the phrase is that God saw that it was good. It's not likely that God would have created an Earth in the condition of verse 2.
I knew there would be disagreement on this. I'm waiting for the evolutionists to weigh in.
This does not address the points that I raised. The word "was" must be taken in context. Note that it can mean either to exist or to become, so to take one meaning of that and to interpret it out of the wider context would be inappropriate. Here is a more detailed definition:Quote:
Originally Posted by galveston
to be, become, come to pass, exist, happen, fall out
1. (Qal)
1. to happen, fall out, occur, take place, come about, come to pass
2. to come about, come to pass
3. to come into being, become
4. to arise, appear, come
5. to become
6. to become
7. to become like
8. to be instituted, be established
9. to be
10. To exist, be in existence
11. To abide, remain, continue (with word of place or time)
12. To stand, lie, be in, be at, be situated (with word of locality)
13. To accompany, be with
2. (Niphal)
1. to occur, come to pass, be done, be brought about
2. to be done, be finished, be gone
(Source: Hayah - Hebrew Lexicon)
The condition of the earth was an interim state and to say that God would not have created it in that state and continued to work on it is a judgment that I don't think that we are qualified to make.
The points that I made before still stand.
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Originally Posted by galveston
I agree with this idea..
Tom, just to add to what galveston has opened the mind for in possible history: if we consider the verse ( Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. ) Stop...Quote:
Originally Posted by Tj3
Then consider the thought of ( Jeremiah 4:23 I beheld the earth, and, lo, it was without form, and void; and the heavens, and they had no light. )
This may or may not be what anyone else has ever come up with in understanding. But what we can acknowledge that it is not one verse but the entire book of scripture that tells all.
We know there was a big tremble between satan, plus satan's fall angels, and God. What was here once before man was created, could have been the land of dinosour and an ape simliar to man of flesh. An exsistence of that was brought forth from a big destruction between satan and God then could be ( Genesis 1:2 And the earth (became) without form, and void; and darkness (became) upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. )
Then begins the earth we know today.. ( Genesis 1:3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.)
To open the mind to what is written in scripture as being possibly different then what man has taught over the years, is to permit what science holds possible, and what scripture tells us in truth.
Another point that could add to this in interest, was the flood of Naoh, and how differently the occurance of this earth was after God destroyed man and the earth. The word destroy leads most to think one way. Where I feel the earth did not perish at that time, but rather was wash of it's evil and cleaned.
Note the meaning of destroy as: go to ruin, decay, to pervert, corrupt
( Genesis 6:13 And God said unto Noah, The end of all flesh is come before me; for the earth is filled with violence through them; and, behold, I will destroy them with the earth. )
So when you read the scripture to (2 Peter 3:8- 9 The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some count slackness, but is longsuffering toward us, not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance.)
AND
(2 Peter 3: 5-6-7) For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water: Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished: But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.
ASK yourself if the heaven was also affected by Noah's flood.. Not to my knowledge, right?
These verses are speaking of a time that the earth perished...became void! It brings the possilbe second idea of water used twice, once done before Noah, in the destruction of what evil brought...noted the promise of God there after never to use flood again.
And I will add that dinosours bones have been found under the ice of years, being possible of frozen water that covered over the earth(upon the face of the deep), that caused evertyhing to perished beneath the surface of what later God did in divided water.
sndbay,
Much of what you have posted falls into the category of speculation, what might have been, but you have not addressed the points that I raise before regarding what scripture does say:
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there are several issues with this theory.
- Death on earth started when sin entered the world. To suggest that there was death beforehand would be a denial of the gospel, and minimizing the importance of Jesus' defeat of death.
- Scripture is clear that creation from start to end took only six days - that includes heavens and earth. This is clear not just from Genesis but elsewhere in scripture:
Ex 20:11
11 For in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day.
NKJV
- There was no land prior to Gen 1:2
Gen 1:2-3
to the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was on the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters.
NKJV
Without land, the gap theory falls apart since those who promote the gap theory suggest that this explains what they believe to be age, fossils etc. of land animals and plants.
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I would be interested in what you have to say regarding these specific points.
No take it further in depth, because I do not see life in flesh of man as scripture stated that would be in the image of God by the sixth day.. At this beginning man with spirit in = soul + flesh . And also able to speak words oral. (noting the importance of The Word then given to follow) the calling of God.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tj3
Death started just as the gospel says, because it starts from what was void and perished. Thus the world begins with flesh to communicate by Word, and in a called ability to listen to God, and answer that calling, and continue that calling.
(2 Peter 3:5-6 ) Creation in eternity past, to which all fossils and remains belong.
Yes at Genesis 1:3-5 began the light and dark first day .. Yes Genesis 1:6-8 was the creation of heaven as (firmament) .. Yes Genesis 1:9-13 was the water moved as being the surface opened of the water's deep to allow dry land of earth, then grass and fruit in growth of seed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tj3
Earth and heaven ages are known to be 3. Which are we in now? Example each being 3 individuals in count, where did 1 started, and where is 3 ? Then where is the existance of satan begin?Quote:
Originally Posted by Tj3
I believe in the gap theory making the earth over the age of the creation.
Never heard of the Gap theory before, but with any theory it is always a possibility.Quote:
Originally Posted by galveston
I don't understand what you are trying to say.Quote:
Originally Posted by sndbay
Death started when Adam and Eve sinned, according to the Bible.Quote:
Death started just as the gospel says, because it starts from what was void and perished. Thus the world begins with flesh to communicate by Word, and in a called ability to listen to God, and answer that calling, and continue that calling.
Rom 5:14-15
14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over those who had not sinned according to the likeness of the transgression of Adam, who is a type of Him who was to come.
NKJV
There are other [passages that state this also. To say that death started before that is to deny the gospel and God's word.
2 Peter 3:5-7Quote:
(2 Peter 3:5-6 ) Creation in eternity past, to which all fossils and remains belong.
5 For this they willfully forget: that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of water and in the water, 6 by which the world that then existed perished, being flooded with water.
NKJV
Agreed- the worldwide flood recorded in Genesis.
You cannot alter meanings of words to make them fit a theory created by what you perceive to be silence of scripture regarding a gap.Quote:
Yes at Genesis 1:3-5 began the light and dark first day.. Yes Genesis 1:6-8 was the creation of heaven as (firmament).. Yes Genesis 1:9-13 was the water moved as being the surface opened of the water's deep to allow dry land of earth, then grass and fruit in growth of seed.
Gen 1:1
1:1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.
NKJV
So the heavens were created in verse 1. And throughout, including the reference that I gave from Exodus says that the entire time from creation of the heavens to the end of creation was 6 days. That starts at verse 1.
Scripture reference?Quote:
Earth and heaven ages are known to be 3
Well, you keep saying that there was no land mass prior to Gen. 1:2, and that may be so, but it is hard to prove.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tj3
Consider this word:
4390 male' (maw-lay');
or mala' (Esth. 7:5) (maw-law'); a primitive root, to fill or (intransitively) be full of, in a wide application (literally and figuratively):
KJV-- accomplish, confirm, + consecrate, be at an end, be expired, be fenced, fill, fulfil, (be, become, X draw, give in, go) full (-ly, -ly set, tale), [over-] flow, fulness, furnish, gather (selves, together), presume, replenish, satisfy, set, space, take a [hand-] full, + have wholly.
This was spoken to Adam and wouod seem to say that Adam was to fill the Earth again after it was destroyed.
We don't have to guess what it means because the same word is used again to Noah (Gen. 9:1) and there can be no doubt about what was to be done. The Earth was to be repopulated.
The thought is that Satan, before his rebellion and fall, ruled the Earth which was populated. That brought total destruction, affecting the heavens also.
If true, that would certainly explain the hatred that Satan has for mankind.
My point in advancing this is to show that there can never be a conflict between the Bible and science. There can only be conflict if scientific facts are misunderstood, or if the Bible is misunderstood. Science is, after all, only the search for facts.
I grew up on the "gap" theory. It wasn't until I started going to a new church that I even heard of the earth being relatively young. I don't know>>... I admit. So I guess I will sit back and Listen... err I mean read.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jesushelper76
Not hard to prove at all. Scripture says so:Quote:
Originally Posted by galveston
Gen 1:1-10
1:1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. To the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was on the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters. 3 Then God said, "Let there be light"; and there was light. 4 And God saw the light, that it was good; and God divided the light from the darkness. 5 God called the light Day, and the darkness He called Night. So the evening and the morning were the first day.
6 Then God said, "Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters." 7 Thus God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament; and it was so. 8 And God called the firmament Heaven. So the evening and the morning were the second day.
9 Then God said, "Let the waters under the heavens be gathered together into one place, and let the dry land appear"; and it was so.
NKJV
Notice that even your quoted definition say "to fill", so it would be hard to argue that it means that Adam was to re-fill the earth.Quote:
Consider this word:
4390 male' (maw-lay');
or mala' (Esth. 7:5) (maw-law'); a primitive root, to fill or (intransitively) be full of, in a wide application (literally and figuratively):
KJV-- accomplish, confirm, + consecrate, be at an end, be expired, be fenced, fill, fulfil, (be, become, X draw, give in, go) full (-ly, -ly set, tale), [over-] flow, fulness, furnish, gather (selves, together), presume, replenish, satisfy, set, space, take a [hand-] full, + have wholly.
This was spoken to Adam and wouod seem to say that Adam was to fill the Earth again after it was destroyed.
We don't have to guess what it means because the same word is used again to Noah (Gen. 9:1) and there can be no doubt about what was to be done. The Earth was to be repopulated.
Tom, In explaining sometimes we might not have the same meanings in our words used in the explanation. Perhaps first the meaning of death should be determined.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tj3
Death
1. Separation (whether natural or violent) of the soul and the body
2. With the implied idea of future misery in hell, the power of death
3. Since the nether world, the abode of the dead, was conceived as being very dark, region of thickest darkness
4. in the widest sense, death comprising all the miseries arising from sin
When reading the verse in Roman (Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses ) It is satan that reigned from Adam to Moses. Satan's ability to beguile man from the simplicity of Life . " Life or Death" "God or satan"
Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
The gap... Here is the suspected earth and heaven that was before what we acknowledge today.
The dinosours and an ape like beast that walked the earth. Yet as science proved by the new research released in DNA. The beast is unable to communicate by oral words. The brain did not hold that capability of speech.
Refer: The Language of God by Francis S Collins
Agree or not that is what I offer, in what could be some idea to what we have in evidence to this world being years older then is agreed upon.
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Genesis 1:2And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
The earth became without form and void, and darkness became upon the face of the deep.
Suspected destruction of an earth that was (gap frame of time) perished
Jeremiah speaks of perished, made void. We have nothing detectable because there is darkness of the deep of water. And the Spirit moved upon that water.
Think of it being all gone and what was, is now, unknown. The existence is gone, because satan and God had the shaken earth (Job 9:6)
Job 9:5 Which removeth the mountains, and they know not: which overturneth them in his anger.
Job 9:7 Which commandeth the sun, and it riseth not; and sealeth up the stars.
You can keep claiming that there is a gap, but scripture is clear that there is six days from the creation of the heavens and earth through to the end of creation.Quote:
Originally Posted by sndbay
Let's note that the firmament is heaven (Genesis 1:8 And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day. )Quote:
Originally Posted by Tj3
So we see in Genesis 1:6-8 God has let the firmament of heaven be surrounding of all that He has created.
Genesis 1:9-10 And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so. And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good.
We read in these scriptures how that the face of water and it's depth is being divided. And once heaven is put in place, then God allows the dry land to appear calling it earth, and the waters called seas, and God saw it was good.
Genesis 1:1 says "heavens", just as Exodus 20:11 says "heavens" - Ex 20 tells us that everything was made in 6 days.Quote:
Originally Posted by sndbay
All scripture needs to be taken in context.
The creation of what we live on and in as earth today was created in 6 days. The unknown and perish of what was before is exactly that, NOT reality of existence.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tj3
Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. KJVQuote:
Originally Posted by Tj3
Exd 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it. KJV
Heaven in hebrew is plural, and I trust that it is because of the existence in understand that the hebrew accent gives enphasis and pause on "GOD" as being Himself the great worker, separate the worker from His work.
(Deu 4:26) shows the existence of God Himself being heaven and .
The root pro0blem that I see with this theory is that there is absolutely nothing in scripture telling us this. It is entirely based upon speculation and assumed silence of scripture between two verses, and the theory was developed simply as an attempt to harmonize between what some saw as a problem existing between the Bible and scientific findings.Quote:
Originally Posted by sndbay
We need to base our beliefs upon what the Bible says, not on what it does not say.
Actually, the reason is more simple. The Hebrew word is an all encompassing word meaning anything which is above the earth. Therefore the heavens refers to the sky, the stars, the galaxies, everything above earth which has been cretaed.Quote:
Originally Posted by sndbay
I am reading the verse but I don't see where it says that God is heaven. But if you weish to pursue that line of reason, I could provide you with numerous issues, not the least of which are the various references throughout scripture to the heavens being created, whereas God is not.Quote:
Deu 4:26) shows the existence of God Himself being heaven and .
I see no violence to the scriptures in this idea at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tj3
We have a time line beginning with Adam and that was about 6,000 years ago, according to most chronologists. We DO NOT have a time line from Gen. 1:1.
If the fromer world was covered by water as a result of judgment, you would have exactly the state described by Moses. As to whether the command to Adam meant something other than that spoken to Noah, it would be hard to prove as it is the same word.
Remember, sin did not originate on Earth, but in Heaven. We have NO idea how long ago this happened, or exactly what Lucifer's duties were, but we do know that there has been war between God and Satan for a very long time. (Our time, that is.)
Meanwhile, there is at least some credible evidence that Earth is much older than 6,000 years.
Remember, there was a time when belief in a globe Earth was heresy.
I accept all the Scriptures say.
We do - Many places - I gave one example of Exodus 20:11 which says that from genesis 1:1 to the end of creation was 6 days.Quote:
Originally Posted by galveston
There is also credible evidence that it is not.Quote:
Meanwhile, there is at least some credible evidence that Earth is much older than 6,000 years.
True.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tj3
Absolutely nothing in scripture when we neglect to accept Job 9:6, 2 Peter 3:5, and Jeremiah 4:23 teaching. There was an existence that is now unknown to us. (void, perished, and without form)Quote:
Originally Posted by Tj3
The speculation would account for what is written in Job, and Jeremiah, yet that same speculation permits the 6 days in (Exd 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth) Speculation yes it is....
However that speculation does not change my belief which is based on Christ the corner stone. Everything else reaches out from HIM who has shown the way.
The translation from what was written as you and I both known, is an important aspect in identity to all that is written. I thank God that we have the works of Massorah. = The word Massorah is from the root masar, to deliver something into the hand of another, so as to commit it to his trust. Hence the name is given to the small writing referred to, because it contains information necessary to those who trust the Sacred Text was committed, so that they might transcribe it, and hand it down correctly.
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http://www.biblestudysite.com/massorah.htm
Originally Posted by Tj3 #29 Quote
We do - Many places - I gave one example of Exodus 20:11 which says that from genesis 1:1 to the end of creation was 6 days.
Exod 20:11
11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD
(KJV)
6213 `asah (aw-saw');
a primitive root; to do or make, in the broadest sense and widest application (as follows):
KJV-- accomplish, advance, appoint, apt, be at, become, bear, bestow, bring forth, bruise, be busy, X certainly, have the charge of, commit, deal (with), deck, + displease, do, (ready) dress (-ed), (put in) execute (-ion), exercise, fashion, + feast, [fighting-] man, + finish, fit, fly, follow, fulfill, furnish, gather, get, go about, govern, grant, great, + hinder, hold ([a feast]), X indeed, + be industrious, + journey, keep, labour, maintain, make, be meet, observe, be occupied, offer, + officer, pare, bring (come) to pass, perform, pracise, prepare, procure, provide, put, requite, X sacrifice, serve, set, shew, X sin, spend, X surely, take, X thoroughly, trim, X very, + vex, be [warr-] ior, work (-man), yield, use.
As you can see, the word made has a very wide range of possibilities. I highlighted some simply to show that it is possible to see something other than original creation in this passage. And of course, the context here is the giving of the Sabbath observance.
There is also credible evidence that it is not.
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Tj3
Exd 20:11 examples labour mentioned in Exd 20:9
made H-6213 asah
To do, fashion, accomplish, make
a) (Qal)
1) to do, work, make, produce
a) to do
b) to work
c) to deal (with)
d) to act, act with effect, effect
2) to make
a) to make
b) to produce
c) to prepare
d) to make (an offering)
e) to attend to, put in order
f) to observe, celebrate
g) to acquire (property)
h) to appoint, ordain, institute
I) to bring about
j) to use
k) to spend, pass
b) (Niphal)
1) to be done
2) to be made
3) to be produced
4) to be offered
5) to be observed
6) to be used
c) (Pual) to be made
2) (Piel) to press, squeeze
KJV
As I had shown you the version of King James did not plural the word heaven . Yet I supposed that you were reading from another version which gave the idea that heaven had to be heavens. I offered the reason why your translation might have heavens verse the KJV of heaven.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tj3
The Hebrew people understood the meaning heaven as plural in the same manner as God is the creator of all heaven and earth. I am The hebrew did accent and give enphasis and pause on "GOD" as being Himself the great worker, separate the worker from His work.
And God HIMSELF is plural as written in Genesis 1:26.
Off thread...
We must have a different King James then.
There are approximately 133 references to the heavens.
Genesis 2:1 (KJV) "Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them."
Genesis 2:4 (KJV) "These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens."
Tj is right
The first heaven is considered our atmosphere.
The second is the galaxies
etc...
How Many Heavens Are There
As far as the age of the earth
I want to answer this according to the gap theory but I really don't have the time right now to look up the original words and meaning
My apologies to Tom. I intended to break his response and place my response in the middle and at the end. It wound up looking like he said some things that I said.
I'll try not to let that happen again.
Let's look at these:Quote:
Originally Posted by sndbay
Job 9:6
6 He shakes the earth out of its place,
And its pillars tremble;
NKJV
Earthquakes are well known.
2 Peter 3:5-8
5 For this they willfully forget: that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of water and in the water, 6 by which the world that then existed perished, being flooded with water. 7 But the heavens and the earth which are now preserved by the same word, are reserved for fire until the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.
NKJV
Genesis tells us about the flood.
Jer 4:23
23 I beheld the earth, and indeed it was without form, and void;
And the heavens, they had no light.
NKJV
Genesis 1:1
These says nothing about a world which was not known - scripture tells us about all three and we certainly still experience the first.
No problem. No offense taken. I had noted what happened, and understood.Quote:
Originally Posted by galveston
What is your point? Are you suggesting that God did not make the heavens and earth?Quote:
Originally Posted by sndbay
sndbay,
We have, in scripture, a second overview of what happened in creation, and it starts with this passage:
Gen 2:4-5
4 This is the history of the heavens and the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens, 5 before any plant of the field was in the earth and before any herb of the field had grown. For the LORD God had not caused it to rain on the earth, and there was no man to till the ground;
NKJV
Please note that the start of creation was when the heavens and earth were made in the same day. That was the first day. This is not the creation of the firmament.
Note that Exodus 2);11 is quite specific that the heavens and earth were part of they 6 day creation:
Ex 20:11
11 For in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.
NKJV
Please reframe from this type of question. Neither you or I would suggestion this, and I would not even question anyone's integrity in this manner.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tj3
Yes we have earthquakes, however, have those earthquarkes ever seal up the stars or cause the sun not to rise. (Job 9:7 Which commandeth the sun, and it riseth not; and sealeth up the stars. )Quote:
Originally Posted by Tj3
Yes again Genesis does tell of a flood. However, can we read somewhere in Noah's flood that the heavens perished? The world perished compared to the destroy man and beast in Naoh's flood. God destroyed the corrupt flesh verse 6:13.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tj3
(Genesis 6:7 And the LORD said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them. )
Take reference of verse (2 Peter 3:7 But the heavens and the earth which are now preserved by the same word) And I realize should you remain doubtful to this flood of water being different then Noah's, then it makes no difference in the outcome. However I view this as heavens and earth was a new creation from what was and now unknown to us.
Jeremiah 4:23 I beheld the earth, and, lo, it was without form, and void; and the heavens, and they had no light.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tj3
Question: the land desolate yet will I make a full end?
Jeremiah 4:27 For thus hath the LORD said, The whole land shall be desolate; yet will I not make a full end. For this shall the earth mourn, and the heavens above be black: because I have spoken it, I have purposed it, and will not repent, neither will I turn back from it.
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