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The Golden Rule

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Originally Posted by Tj3

The Golden Rule comes from the Bible, and it is not and certainly never has been a standard by which atheists live.....

The golden rules was wellknown long before the first letter was ever started on the first Bible chapter.
The reality is that the golden rules comes not from the bible. The bible just accepted it as a valid and sound way of life guideline.
The golden rule is NOT some form of property of Christianity.
Atheists have - just as all other people - used the golden rule to live a proper , prosperous, and safe life.
Atheists did not abuse the golden rule for their own views. Many christians however abused - and still abuse - the golden rule to support their own religious delusions.

Believe whatever you prefer, but at least accept that others may have different views !
Why can't so many "christians" show more respect for other world views, and drop all their apparent feelings of hatred and revenge?

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Cred,

READ THIS CAREFULLY... I am NOT nor ever have I been SASSYT! I was not rude to you but YOU were rude to me. Sorry but the other thread got closed and I want you to understand that you have once again accused me FALSELY. I may have gotten lippy or even SASSY with you but that is IT!! Good golly girdy, go back and read her posts and then read mine! We don't even sound the same... geesh. MEN! You should say you are sorry... that would be the "golden rule" don't you think? Plus it would make me feel good for you to have to eat CROW! ( I forgive you.. someone else thought I was sassyT once too... geesh give me some credit for imagination)

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Originally Posted by classyT

Cred,

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you should say you are sorry...that would be the "golden rule" don't ya think? Plus it would make me feel good for you to have to eat CROW! ( i forgive ya..someone else thought i was sassyT once too...geesh give me some credit for imagination)

classyT,

If you ever get Cred to even admit, let alone apologize for his abusive behaviour, I will be absolutely shocked.

I have seen people with equal hatred of Christians and Christianity, but never one exhibiting more hatred.

Tom

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Originally Posted by classyT

.....credit for imagination

CREDIT??
As far as your imagination is concerned... sassyT and classyT... what an imagination!!

And as to rudeness : just look in the cyber mirror and observe yourself : you will see a really aggressive and rude person : yourself !

Than start reading your own posts on this board...

Matthew 7:3 comes to mind!!

I note that in your anger you forgot to address the topic question, which was about the golden rule...

:D :rolleyes: :p :) :rolleyes: :D

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Originally Posted by Tj3

[clip for brevity] ... Tom

Wrong Tommy : I do not hate Christians and their belief at all. But I do dislike hypocrites!!

Typical Tommy Smith aka Tj3 aka Toms777... lot's of steer waste and innuendo.
He even "forgot" to address the topic : "the golden rule" , which is much older than the Bible...

Now how could he forget that??

:D :rolleyes: :p :) :rolleyes: :D

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Tj3,

I am willing to give Cred the opportunity to prove that he does indeed follow this golden rule and that he doesn't hate anyone.

Cred, you have had an attitude with me from the first time you answered a post on my Catholic, christianity thread. You kind of told me off and I did NOT provoke you... then you proceeded the same behavior on the Halloween thread when you lumped Christians into a bundle and said we were trouble makers and that if there were no Christians perhaps there could be a heaven on earth.

THEN you have fasely accused me of sayinng things that SassyT said to you ( you never forgave them either. That doesn't sound like you are following the godlen rule for poor ol sassyT... might want to work on that) AND worse... accused me of deception. Tsk tsk.. I'm feeling hurt here.

Anyway, please feel free to say your sorry anytime... I am waiting with open arms and great big ol hug. LOL

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Originally Posted by Credendovidis

CREDIT ???
As far as your imagination is concerned ..... sassyT and classyT ..... what an imagination !!!

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One more time.. I am NOT sassyT.. AND further more... that is what I am saying to you.. give me some credit for a little more imagination... I wouldn't have called myself sassyT and then ClassyT.. duh?. did I really have to explain that to you?

NOTE________ wait a sec... my paraphrasing of Mathew 7:3 was offense to you? LOL LOL rude? Unkind? DUDE... seriously you better get another agruement OR better yet a sense of humor. That was not mean or unkind.. calling me a simpleton afterwards was though... want to talk hypocritical... ahhh cred. You don't really want to go there do you. I don't know... it is EMBARRASSING to see a grown man dish it out and not be able to take it. Tsk tsk Now about THAT apology... :)

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Originally Posted by classyT

Cred,

MEN! you should say you are sorry...that would be the "golden rule" don't ya think?

---She did address it.

I don't believe she is sassyT for one because as she said their wording is way too different.
Nothing against sassy but often I can not follow what she is saying or what her point is but classyT is brief and to the point. Also sassyT seems to be younger than classyT.
I have seen many people sign up on boards with some moniker that is similar to someone else's and most often it is just a coincidence. Heck, even when I sign up for a new email address or a new board or something on the internet it tells me several times I have to use something different because the name is already taken.

P.S. I have seen cred acknowledge when he is wrong (not always but a couple times) but don't hold your breath.

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Originally Posted by tj3

The Golden Rule comes from the Bible, and it is not and certainly never has been a standard by which atheists live..... .

That's entirely false of course.

The "golden rule" is also known as the "Ethic of reciprocity" and is certainly not a concept originally thought of in the bible:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethic_of_reciprocity

Here are versions of the golden rule in various religions: Versions of the Golden Rule in 21 world religions

I live by this rule as well, plus it's a tenet of my parenting. No bible in our house is required for good morals.

What is the Golden rule?

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Originally Posted by Credendovidis

CREDIT ???

I note that in your anger you forgot to address the topic question, which was about the golden rule ....

:D :rolleyes: :p :) :rolleyes: :D

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LOL. I liked that. Cred. I am NOT angry... sounds like a little PROJECTION to me.. but then what do I know?

Oh never mind just saw NK's Link

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Originally Posted by classyT

LOL. I liked that. Cred. I am NOT angry....sounds like a little PROJECTION to me.. but then what do i know?

Catching on very quickly :D

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Originally Posted by N0help4u

---She did address it.

I don't believe she is sassyT for one because as she said their wording is way too different.
Nothing against sassy but often I can not follow what she is saying or what her point is but classyT is brief and to the point. Also sassyT seems to be younger than classyT.
I have seen many people sign up on boards with some moniker that is similar to someone elses and most often it is just a coincidence. Heck, even when I sign up for a new email address or a new board or something on the internet it tells me several times I have to use something different because the name is already taken.

P.S. I have seen cred acknowledge when he is wrong (not always but a couple times) but don't hold your breath.

Thank you Nohelp. If I were sassyT.. I'd say so.

BTW I agree with NK's post about the golden rule being here in many forms.
To add one example of following the golden rule:
The Bible:
You reap what you sow
The Hood:
What goes around comes around

In my opinion I don't think the golden rule is a bible thing. I never read the bible and never paid attention in religion class and I have always lived my life by that rule. It's just common sense.

Spit,

Well Jesus actually said to" do unto to others as you would have them do unto you." So it IS a bible thing. I agree that it is common sense AND good manners. But in reality it goes against our very nature to do it. I think I am proving my point REALLY well with Cred. He was WRONG and yet he would rather do anything but apologize. Including placing blame anywhere but on himself. Frankly, it isn't as easy as it seems to some people.

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Originally Posted by classyT

But in reality it goes against our very nature to do it.

I don't think so. I think our nature is to be social animals and the ethic of reciprocity allows healthy communal living. No doubt there are individuals that are selfish and self-centered but I don't think that's the norm.

But really if you look at the 10 commandments aren't they all just common sense. Don't steal, don't kill, obey your parents, etc... The only ones that aren't common sense are the first 3 commandments.

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Originally Posted by Credendovidis

Wrong Tommy : I do not hate Christians and their belief at all. But I do dislike hypocrites !!!

I have yet to see a single post dealing with Christianity where you have not been abusive with respect to Christianity and Christians - one need only look at your posts in this thread.

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Originally Posted by classyT

Tj3,

I am willing to give Cred the oportunity to prove that he does indeed follow this golden rule and that he doesn't hate anyone.

Agreed. I would love to see him follow the golden rule, aned to prove us wrong!

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Originally Posted by Tj3

I have yet to see a single post dealing with Christianity where you have not been abusive with respect to Christianity and Christians - one need only look at your posts in this thread.

Speaking of the content of this thread, will you admit you are wrong?

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Originally Posted by NeedKarma

Speaking of the content of this thread, will you admit you are wrong?

Perhaps you can tell me precisely what you want me to admit that I am wrong about.

Making some vague undefined statement and question gives me no reason to make such a statement.

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Originally Posted by Tj3

Perhaps you can tell me precisely what you want me to admit that I am wrong about.

Making some vague undefined statement and question gives me no reason to make such a statement.

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Originally Posted by Tj3

The Golden Rule comes from the Bible, and it is not and certainly never has been a standard by which atheists live.....

There seems to be a major misunderstanding about what is good individual. When groups of animals live together the entire dynamic changes. It is no longer kill the other guy before he kills me. It becomes how can I help the other guy so when I need help he helps me.

For example if we were solitary animals it would be good for me to kill all other male rivals, however in a society it become detrimental to me to kill my rivals because if I do they will group up and remove me from the society and if you haven't noticed removal from the group for humans means death.

By weeding out the ones that don't play nice in groups over the last 500,000 years we have a good percentage of the human population that has empathy for others and generally want to be part of the group and do good for that group. Does it mean everyone? No you will always have one offs and people that feel they are excluded from the group so they don't feel like owe the group anything or feel like they belong to a different group than the one they harmed.

It is this group dynamic that is the origin for the golden rule.

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Originally Posted by michealb

There seems to be a major misunderstanding about what is good individual. When groups of animals live together the entire dynamic changes. It is no longer kill the other guy before he kills me. It becomes how can I help the other guy so when I need help he helps me.

Really? How then would you say that this works in real life in a small hamlet versus the inner core of a large city?

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Originally Posted by NeedKarma

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Originally Posted by Tj3
The Golden Rule comes from the Bible, and it is not and certainly never has been a standard by which atheists live...

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And you want me to admit that I am wrong why?

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Originally Posted by Tj3

And you want me to admit that I am wrong why?

Read the thread. The evidence is there.

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Originally Posted by NeedKarma

Read the thread. The evidence is there.

Really? Evidence of what? If you have something to say, don't beat around the bush - you are wasting my time, yours and that of others who have to put up with this back and forth.

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Originally Posted by Tj3

Really? How then would you say that this works in real life in a small hamlet versus the inner core of a large city?

I would say it works much better in small hamlets versus the inner core of a large city. Crime rates alone would tell you that. The reason is because in small hamlets you get a much stronger group dynamic than you do in a large city. In the small hamlet you know everyone by name or at least association and there for consider them part of your group. However in large cities an individual might have a much larger group that they consider themselves a part of but they don't have the processing power to know everyone in the city and consider them part of the group. It's why you see when people are left to there own devices they group up into gangs in cities. It's why in very backward areas even where there aren't a lot of people you see people organize themselves in to tribes and even in very violent tribal areas the violence within a tribe is minimal compared to the violence against other tribes.

As I said we are far from perfect so this doesn't always work but for the most part you can trust the people in your group to not to harm you because of this. Whether they be Hindu, Jewish, Christian, atheist or the people you bowl with. It doesn't matter why you consider them your group as long as they do to.

No time is wasted for anyone, it's a short thread. What are you getting all mad about?

NK you never waste my time. When you get down to it isn't the golden rule basically Karma?

Karma is originally an Indian concept that has been popularized in the west but I agree. It touches on the same basic issues - their actions and the effects of their actions.

No one can claim that the Golden Rule is a Christian thing... all they can say is that is it a Christian thing, too.

Every religion, philosophy, way of life touches on the same concept.

All this bickering is out of control.

I don't have a hatred for Christians... I was raised by them. But there is a large section of them that emulate my latest quote (see below). It is ridiculous...

As for Cred, I think he is just fed up... as many of us are. I would probably still consider myself a Christian today if I wasn't exposed to the ugliness that SO many Christians posses in their heart while they preach songs of Love.

If any of you self-proclaimed up-standing Christians stepped back from your own "Glory" for a minute and actually looked at yourself, you would see it, too... that is, if you actually had the courage to.

(I say self-proclaimed because I have also witnessed a handful of real Christians on this site and I do not want to include them in this)

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Originally Posted by NeedKarma

I don't think so. I think our nature is to be social animals and the ethic of reciprocity allows healthy communal living. No doubt there are individuals that are selfish and self-centered but I don't think that's the norm.

OK... yes there are times when we in the flesh or in our natural state without GOD will get along and try to use the "golden rule" because it is good. But not always NK. There have been times when I TOO am guilty of not always turning the other cheek. Im not suggesting that Christians are the only ones that can follow the golden rule.. just that it isn't always EASY. Sometimes it goes against are grain. And certainly it is hard to say we are sorry to someone when we are wrong... and that too is part of the Golden RULE... doing unto others... am I right or am I right... CRED? Nothing like humbling ourselves when we are wrong and I think it isn't always EASY.

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Originally Posted by Credendovidis

The golden rules was wellknown long before the first letter was ever started on the first Bible chapter.
The reality is that the golden rules comes not from the bible. The bible just accepted it as a valid and sound way of life guideline.
The golden rule is NOT some form of property of Christianity.
Atheists have - just as all other people - used the golden rule to live a proper , prosperous, and safe life.
Atheists did not abuse the golden rule for their own views. Many christians however abused - and still abuse - the golden rule to support their own religious delusions.

Believe whatever you prefer, but at least accept that others may have different views !
Why can't so many "christians" show more respect for other world views, and drop all their apparent feelings of hatred and revenge?

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Cred,

Truth? Until you apologize to me... this entire thread is really silly. You don't make your point and your crediability is seriously lacking, nill, nadda the big ZERO. It is simply PROJECTION. Man up... nothing like humble pie for Thanksgiving... :D

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Originally Posted by NeedKarma

No time is wasted for anyone, it's a short thread. What are you getting all mad about?

NK... who got mad? I have been accused in this thread of anger when in fact.. I find it somewhat funny and enternaining... ( I know I know... you think I am WEIRD):p

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Originally Posted by DrJizzle

No one can claim that the Golden Rule is a Christian thing... all they can say is that is it a Christian thing, too.

Every religion, philosophy, way of life touches on the same concept.

All this bickering is out of control.

I dont have a hatred for Christians... I was raised by them. But there is a large section of them that emulate my latest quote (see below). It is ridiculous...

as for Cred, I think he is just fed up... as many of us are. I would probably still consider myself a Christian today if I wasn't exposed to the ugliness that SO many Christians posses in their heart while they preach songs of Love.

If any of you self-proclaimed up-standing Christians stepped back from your own "Glory" for a minute and actually looked at yourself, you would see it, too... that is, if you actually had the courage to.

(I say self-proclaimed because I have also witnessed a handful of real Christians on this site and I do not want to include them in this)

I don't know who is bickering.. and I DO look at myself. I am FLAWED to the HILT. All I can say to you is don't look at christians... we mess up all the time.. look at Jesus. Man will disappoint you every time.. even CHRISTIANS. Sad but true.

I'm not here searching for Religion... or Faith.

And trust me, when I am searching, I am not looking to men.

But I LOVE this:

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Man will disappoint you every time.. even CHRISTIANS.

:O NO WAY! Hahah

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Originally Posted by michealb

I would say it works much better in small hamlets versus the inner core of a large city. Crime rates alone would tell you that. The reason is because in small hamlets you get a much stronger group dynamic than you do in a large city.

Exactly, and thus in practice the reality is the opposite of your theory.