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Halloween, Anyone?

We might have had this discussion before - if so, sorry for bringing it up again.

Anyway, I read this article today: Should Christians Celebrate Halloween? -- CBN.com Spiritual Life

And am curious as to what the Christians on AMHD do for/about Halloween? In the above article it is a holiday to be ignored, as it promotes witchcraft. Do any of you feel that way? A church in my local area (one of the biggest, actually) holds an annual "Trunk-or-Treat" in their parking lot where parents park their cars all around the lot, and kids go car to car getting candy. Does anyone here view that as a non-Christian thing to do? If your church did such a thing, would you stop attending?

I really am curious about this; I'm not trying to bait anyone or start a flame war. I'm curious because I think Halloween is a fun time for kids to dress up and get candy and stay out late - nothing more. Then again, I'm a godless heathen, so I'm sure no one is surprised I see no harm in it! :D

Oh, and I welcome responses from people of all faiths and no faiths.

Looking forward to your responses/comments...

I think that every holiday is celebrated for reasons within each of us. If I light candles and make potions and chant every October 31st, then yes I think that I am acknowleding witchcraft. If I dress up and dress my kids up and go trick or treating around the neighborhood for candy, no I am not condoning witchcraft. When you actually go back and read how halloween originated it goes all the way to the roman catholics as well as in Ireland. It originally had nothing to do with witchcraft at all, below is an excerpt of one such article that I found for you:

During the Middle Ages (about 600 years ago), the Roman Catholic Church at that time, decided to make the change-over from pagan religion to Christianity a bit easier, and therefore allowed the new converts to maintain some of their pagan feasts. It was agreed, however, that from now on they would be celebrated as "Christian" feats. So instead of praying to thwir heathen gods, they would now pray to, and remember the deaths of saints. For this reason the church decided to call November 1 the "Day of All Saints," and the mass to be celebrated on that day "Alhallowmass." In consequence of this, the evening prior to this day was named, "All Hallowed Evening" which subsequently was abbreviated as "Halloween." In spite of this effort to make October 31 a "holy evening," all the old customs continued to be practiced, and made this evening anything BUT a holy evening!

While it is true that many 'holidays' and traditions may originally stem from religious beliefs (i.e. Christmas, or Easter) - I don't see Halloween as anything more than a fun time for children and adults. It's a dress-up, make-believe day filled with sugary treats! Unfortunately, I don't know enough about the origins of the holiday. I've heard that long ago, gourds and pumpkins and squash were hollowed out and carried around with candles inside them - this seems accurate, for a couple of reasons: candles blow out in the wind - so a flame requires something to protect it from snuffing out; squash, gourds and pumpkins are abundant in large numbers during harvest time (autumn); and the sun sets earlier in the fall, (becomes dark much sooner in the day) - there is a need for a light source to see your way around. Back before gas and electricity, humans used candles and fire. As for the saints of the dead - there could be some truth to the Christianity vs. Pagan traditions or rites of passage.

I don't think this day should be frowned upon by Christian religion. I feel sorry for those children who can't participate in the fun.

Some people need to let go. Religion can be wonderful, but it can also be the source of many disagreements.

This is not really an answer, just my two cents.
A question for the person / people who don't agree with celebrating Halloween: "what it is you fear about it?" What is it about this holiday that threatens or takes away from their belief system? Can't they be faithful and practice their religion, while embracing a fun-filled child-friendly day of dress-up and make-believe?

Being a Godless Heathen myself, I think that all holi-days are about eating, dancing, expressing love and spirituality and having fun. In doing so you are celebrating your part in life on earth.

Thanks for the responses so far, everyone. I also don't understand what there is to be afraid of, but, as I said, I'm a godless heathen, so maybe I don't "get it".

My mom's neighbors used to forbid their children from participating in Halloween; they are devout Christian (even though the oldest daughter got knocked up before she was 18 by one guy, and knocked up before she was 20 by a different guy... ) and felt Hallowen was not suitable for their kids. The first year they moved in, all of the kids sat in the big bay window at the front of the house looking out, with sad faces, as their neighborhood friends collected candy. It was really pitiful. The next year? They participated, just like everyone else!

Little kids dressing up like a star war or a princess or a bunny or even a monster has nothing to do with witches or black magic.
One may trace some ancient root to something but it is just kids hitting adults up for free candy. If we have anyone to blame it is the cany companies for what we have today.

True there are people/churches that believe that Halloween is about witchcraft. There are also those that believe that you shouldn't watch or read Disney stories for the same reasons.

I would never tell anyone else what to believe or how to raise their kids. However, it is my opinion that there is nothing wrong with a little "make believe". Using the imagination is good. I think if you are participating in Halloween from that point of view - then great, have fun.

I ignore the history behind Halloween.
To me, it means nothing.
I don't feel the origin of Halloween is relevant in this day and time anyway - others still do and I respect that.

Halloween to me is just a night where my kids and I can dress up, act silly, eat candy, carve pumpkins
And have fun together, just doing something out of the norm - that's what I'm celerbrating...

For those who still read deeper into it than others and choose not to
Celebrate (whether it be religious or personal) or those who choose alternatives, I say that's great too.

We all should do what works for us and makes us comfortable...

But for me personally, I enjoy that one crazy night out of the year spent with my kids.
Not because of the origin, but because its something I can enjoy with my children.

I celebrate Samhain on Halloween as that is the traditional day. However, I believe that the holiday has been changed over many years, and it has become 'Christian friendly'. I celebrate a different way than most families do. Growing up in a Christian family has abled me to look at the holiday from different perspectives and I believe that the holiday is what you make it. Samhain to me is Halloween to you,
To see info on it's traditional roots
Samhain - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
I've read it and all information is accurate

Halloween Is an evil holiday. We never partake. Instead, we sacrifice a few puppies, get drunk and smear the blood all over ourselves. We then have a wild bloody orgy until sunrise at which time we stare at the sun and pray to the great sun god until we pass out from exhaustion.

Magprob said it! That's where the fear comes from! It's okay to be an angel or a bunny though!

I too celebrate Samhain (halloween) in a different manner than most. We set a place at our table for all those loved ones that have passed on during the year and we remember the good times with them. I also hand out candy to the children in the neighborhood. These children have no idea what the meaning of Samhain or Halloween is all they know is it is free candy LOL.

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Originally Posted by path

I too celebrate Samhain (halloween) in a different manner than most. We set a place at our table for all those loved ones that have passed on during the year and we remember the good times with them.

That sounds like a beautiful and meaningful tradition. I have never heard of this... do many people practice this?

Personally, I think the whole it is "Satan's Day" is stupid. Everyday is Satan's day. I have been a Christian for many years and I have always enjoyed dressing up and decoration. I have Christian neighbors that think that I am wrong. Too each his own. It is our culture and I love it.

I have boys... you can only dress them up in bunny's and clowns for so long.. they want to be scary too.. I let them... big deal. Let them have fun. It never hurt me one bit.

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Originally Posted by magprob

Halloween Is an evil holiday. We never partake. Instead, we sacrifice a few puppies, get drunk and smear the blood all over ourselves. We then have a wild bloody orgy until sunrise at which time we stare at the sun and pray to the great sun god until we pass out from exhaustion.

That's what I do!!

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Originally Posted by jillianleab

We might have had this discussion before - if so, sorry for bringing it up again.... "Should Christians Celebrate Halloween?"

Well... "should"??

I would think more along the line that everyone should make up his or her own mind on that. For some it is some devilish idea, for the majority it is fortunately just fun for the children...

If Christians in general would spend as much energy and time on improving their own approach towards others as some of them spend here on intolerant behaviour, heaven would exist, just here on a peacefull earth...

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

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Credendovidis,

Yes, THAT must be why we don't have heaven on earth... it is because of the Christians and their "approach and intolerant behavior". LOL LOL

You might want to try reading your own posts. Not only are you intolerant, but you lack in the "approach" towards others as well. Bummer. Jesus said something I have always thought interesting AND is applicable even for an athesist like yourself... he said... (and I paraphrase)... Dude, get the stinkin LOG out of your OWN eye before you try to get the splinter out of mine. Got to love that. How's about that for "approach" huh?

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Originally Posted by classyT

"Dude, get the stinkin LOG out of your OWN eye before you try to get the splinter out of mine".

Yes I know the quote very well : a simpleton's version of Matthew 7:3.
But what I stated related to Halloween and the hypocrisy and the neurotic reactions by some "christians" on that event.

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

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Credendovidis,

Ahh well I made it a "simpleton" version just for you. I thought you could use it dumbed down a bit if you think that Christians are what is causing the lack of heaven on earth.

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Originally Posted by magprob

Halloween Is an evil holiday. We never partake. Instead, we sacrifice a few puppies, get drunk and smear the blood all over ourselves. We then have a wild bloody orgy until sunrise at which time we stare at the sun and pray to the great sun god until we pass out from exhaustion.

To each his own ;)

I have to agree with some of the post on Christians. It seems every time there is a war somehow the "Christians" seem to be involved. And almost all these wars are fought in the name of "God".
Ever time I turn on the television it seems there is some preacher "waging a war" against this or that. Be it Halloween, abortion or gay marriage. They always want to "wage a war" or call themselves "Christian Soldiers". WAR WAR WAR... why not try peace, love and understanding.

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Originally Posted by path

It seems every time there is a war somehow the "Christians" seem to be involved. And almost all these wars are fought in the name of "God".

Certainly a lot of worldwide violence is based on religious views and religious interests. Many wars indeed had - and still have - a religious cause.

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Originally Posted by path

Ever time I turn on the television it seems there is some preacher "waging a war" against this or that. Be it Halloween, abortion or gay marriage. They always want to "wage a war" or call themselves "Christian Soldiers".

Indeed. It is called religious intolerence. The "I believe that, and that is why that is "true"" syndrom.

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Originally Posted by classyT

Credendovidis,

yes, THAT must be why we don't have heaven on earth...it is because of the Christians and their "approach and intolerant behavior". LOL LOL

You might want to try reading your own posts. Not only are you intolerant, but you lack in the "approach" towards others as well. bummer. jesus said something I have always thought interesting AND is applicable even for an athesist like yourself...he said...(and I paraphrase)...Dude, get the stinkin LOG out of your OWN eye before you try to get the splinter out of mine. Gotta love that. Hows bout that for "approach" huh?

Well said! On a separate thread, Cred is trying to stop people from discussing the topic because he does not like the direction that it is taking.

*Ahem*

Please stay on topic if you are going to post in this thread. Don't drag arguments from other threads into this one.

Thank you.

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Originally Posted by jillianleab

*Ahem*

Although by now we have passed 31 October again, the topic question is still valid.

So far I have not seen any VALID argument in this topic why Christians should not celebrate Halloween.

Though Halloween zooms in on the - for many - preference for ery , fear, and sinister issues (just like many books, movies, rollercoaster, etc.) , the main thing is just big fun for children.

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Cred,

Well, she wasn't asking for an argument, she was asking why some Christians would think it is wrong. Gosh Cred, sound like you atheists want to ARGUE everything... you know it could be why we don't have heaven on earth. LOL LOL LOL

classyT :

All I stated was : " So far I have not seen any VALID argument in this topic why Christians should not celebrate Halloween.

Though Halloween zooms in on the - for many - preference for ery , fear, and sinister issues (just like many books, movies, rollercoaster, etc.) , the main thing is just big fun for children. "

Once more I note that your lack of any serious comment together with your misplaced innuendo shows that what I posted is correct. Of course.
Everyone here knows that. And - as usual - you can't accept that and show your frustration with your post...

:D :rolleyes: :D :rolleyes: :D

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The festival of Samhain (halloween) has pre-christian origins and is thought that souls of the dead wander the Earth and are free to return to the mortal world until dawn. Bonfires and lanterns where implemented into this to ward of the ghosts and demons that walked among them also samhain was supposably a demon who walked among raising the dead and as night grew on her grew stronger... masks where worn so samhain couldn't see you... this originated in Ireland and Scotland. This is only folklor but was widely believed in the mid 17th century.. so it doesn't matter if halloween has evil origins.. this may have been fabricated because the evenings grew shorter and colder... my advice is enjoy halloween... its perfect.. dark and creepy.. get drunk and enjoy..

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Originally Posted by Credendovidis

classyT :

All I stated was : " So far I have not seen any VALID argument in this topic why Christians should not celebrate Halloween.

Though Halloween zooms in on the - for many - preference for ery , fear, and sinister issues (just like many books, movies, rollercoaster, etc.) , the main thing is just big fun for children. "

Once more I note that your lack of any serious comment together with your misplaced innuendo shows that what I posted is correct. Of course.
Everyone here knows that. And - as usual - you can't accept that and show your frustration with your post ....

:D :rolleyes: :D :rolleyes: :D

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Oh Please,

I already answered. I think it is silly to make Halloween evil. What is with your "as usual "comment... please... you don't know me and I'm certainly not frustrated. I was making a funny. Guess it went right over your head. Bummer. Too bad! It made me laugh but then we Christians have a sense of humor. We actually laugh ) well that is when we aren't starting wars.)... LOL

Oh for cryn' out loud... PLEASE SEE POST #24!

Stay on topc, or get out of the thread!

And, classyT, fyi, I'm one of "you atheists"; you might want to stop generalizing people... hard to make friends that way, but a great way to make enemies.

Halloween is over, thread closed