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I have to find out the meaning of the bible passage Luke 4 verses 18-19 this is it
“The Lord's Spirit has come to me, because he has chosen me to tell the good news to the poor. The Lord has sent me to announce freedom for prisoners, to give sight to the blind, to free everyone who suffers, and to say, 'This is the year the Lord has chosen.'
Can u please help me thanks byiki :)
byiki,
I believe the meaning is clear when it is read in context.
This is from the New Jerusalem Bible
Luke 4:Jesus begins to preach
14. Jesus, with the power of the Spirit in him, returned to Galilee; and his reputation spread throughout the countryside.
15. He taught in their synagogues and everyone glorified him.
Jesus at Nazareth
16. He came to Nazara, where he had been brought up, and went into the synagogue on the Sabbath day as he usually did. He stood up to read,
17. And they handed him the scroll of the prophet Isaiah. Unrolling the scroll he found the place where it is written:
18. The spirit of the Lord is on me,
For he has anointed me
To bring the good news to the afflicted.
He has sent me to proclaim liberty to captives,
Sight to the blind,
To let the oppressed go free,
19. To proclaim a year of favour from the Lord.
20. He then rolled up the scroll, gave it back to the assistant and sat down. And all eyes in the synagogue were fixed on him.
21. Then he began to speak to them, "This text is being fulfilled today even while you are listening."
22. And he won the approval of all, and they were astonished by the gracious words that came from his lips.
They said, "This is Joseph's son, surely?"
23. But he replied, "No doubt you will quote me the saying, `Physician, heal yourself,' and tell me, `We have heard all that happened in Capernaum, do the same here in your own country.' "
24. And he went on, "In truth I tell you, no prophet is ever accepted in his own country.
25. `There were many widows in Israel, I can assure you, in Elijah's day, when heaven remained shut for three years and six months and a great famine raged throughout the land,
26. but Elijah was not sent to any one of these: he was sent to a widow at Zarephath, a town in Sidonia.
27. And in the prophet Elisha's time there were many suffering from virulent skin-diseases in Israel, but none of these was cured, only Naaman the Syrian."
28. When they heard this everyone in the synagogue was enraged.
29. They sprang to their feet and hustled him out of the town; and they took him up to the brow of the hill their town was built on, intending to throw him off the cliff,
30. But he passed straight through the crowd and walked away.
Jesus was announcing what He intended to do.
Jesus was also telling them how He would be treated.
Note that the people immediately began to treat Him badly.
Peace and kindness,
Fred (arcura)
Thanks for posting the entire passage, Fred. What an interesting bit of scripture.
Jesus declared himself in a formal manner using Isiah's scripture in temple... to be the hope and savior of the poor(most of the people) and other downtrodden members of Jewish society.
Most seem to forget that Jesus was about helping the poor and downtrodden in this life. Making a Kingdom of Heaven on Earth.
I don't consider anyone a Christian unless they have the same spirit Jesus had for helping others. That is real Christianity. :)
Choux,
Thanks for your opinion on that.
Peace and kindness,
Fred
I COMPLETELY agree with you on this point.Quote:
Originally Posted by Choux
Galveston1,
I also agree with Choux on that.
Peace and kindness,
Fred
Hi Byiki. This is my reply to someone who had a question about the same scripture some months back, mainly vs 19.
The 'accepable year' (as read in my bible) is the Greek translation for Hebrew 'year of goodwill' which Jesus was reading/quoting from the scroll of Isaiah 61:1-3.
This is telling of a time when certain ones would be looked favorably upon by God and be anointed as Jesus himself was when he got baptized.
The sign that they knew they'd been accepted by God was the pouring out of the Holy Spirit on 120 of them at Pentecost 33 C.E. (Act 2:1-4) :)
Thanks all for your help :)
Oh yeah does one know how to use the meaning of the bible passage in all day things ?
So to bother thanks byiki
Moparbyfar,
Thanks for your explanation.
Fred
The Book of Malachi, which is the last one in the Old Testament has the passage Mal. Chapter three: Suddenly the Lord whom you seek will come to his temple; the messenger of the covenant in whom you delight is here, here already, says the Lord of Hosts.
So to use it in everyday life, would be to place our faith in Jesus
wildandblue ,
Yes
Peace and kindness,
Fred
I heartily agree that it's an interesting bit of scripture. To me, the most interesting thing about it is how quick the mood changed from:Quote:
Originally Posted by Choux
to:Quote:
22. And he won the approval of all, and they were astonished by the gracious words that came from his lips.
If you look at what it was that set them off, it was clearly his point that God's favor and blessings were not confined to "Israel" alone, but extended to "Sidonians and Syrians" as well. He was striking at the very root of their identity as "God's chosen people", and it pissed them off big time. Proclaiming the universality of the Father's love, and therefore the spiritual equality of EVERY person, irrespective of national, racial, cultural or tribal identity, is a central theme of his entire ministry. I don't think it's an overstatement to say that it was his repeated insistence that the Father considered and accepted ALL people equally as His children, that eventually got him crucified. Everybody wants to be special, and telling them that they're not is no way to curry favor.Quote:
28. When they heard this everyone in the synagogue was enraged.
29. They sprang to their feet and hustled him out of the town; and they took him up to the brow of the hill their town was built on, intending to throw him off the cliff
Quote:
Now the preacher looked so baffled
When I asked him why he dressed
With twenty pounds of headlines
Stapled to his chest.
But he cursed me when I proved it to him,
Then I whispered, "Not even you can hide.
You see, you're just like me,
I hope you're satisfied."
--Bob Dylan
To answer your question here, yes. The same Holy Spirit that anointed Jesus and filled the believers on that day of Pentecost, will do the same thing for believers today if they will seek Him in humble sincerety.Quote:
Originally Posted by byiki
If true for all, there can't be many real Christians around...Quote:
Originally Posted by Choux
:rolleyes:
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Cred,
I think that there are more real Christians than you think there are.
I know many more who help others than those who do not.
Peace and kindness,
Fred.
How many schools, hospitals, orphanages, or other charitable works are Atheists responsible for?? What percentage of their incomes do Atheists contribute to charitable organizations? Many Christians give 10% of their incomes to such things.Quote:
Originally Posted by Credendovidis
Galveston1
Very Good response to cred.
There are millions of Christians who donate to the things you mentioned plus donate funds to victims of disasters or physically help in many different ways.
Peace and kindness,
Fred
Just a quick reaction .Quote:
Originally Posted by Galveston1
I can only speak for myself here, Galveston.
Personally I am involved in many unpaid volunteer activities in schools, hospitals, orphanages, or other charitable works.
Part of my personal wealth is used to pay for development projects in Africa, where I lived for near 30 years, and where I used part of my time to educate youngster with basic ABC and learned them the skills to become capable to earn a living.
To me it is irrelevant how much a person spends on charitable works.
It is the intention that surrounds the worldview of every person that really counts.
As you are a US American (at least I think you are) :
Your extremely capitalistic system "lives" at the expense of the most weak, the most needed in the world. Locally and worldwide.
Your system is at the basis of a lot of profound misery for billions of human beings worldwide.
Jesus tought socialism (note : not communism).
I see only very few real socialists in the US...
:)
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Cred,
That about American id just plain fooy.
Fred
There is an "edit" facility here, Fred. "fooy"??Quote:
Originally Posted by arcura
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I stated to Galveston :
"As you are a US American (at least I think you are) :
Your extremely capitalistic system "lives" at the expense of the most weak, the most needed in the world. Locally and worldwide.
Your system is at the basis of a lot of profound misery for billions of human beings worldwide.
Jesus tought socialism (note : not communism).
I see only very few real socialists in the US ....."
Dear Fred : the economic crisis in the US and the ripples that cause in the US and worldwide just underlines that what I stated is true. That crisis was caused by capitalistic greed and nothing else. And who - in the end - will pay the bill for that ? The common Mr and Mrs. Jones. The poor, the needed, and the "common man". No golden handshakes for them.
And you see now two main US political parties who - while Rome burns - do not really do their best to sort the problem out, but who in reality are continuing their election race, and misuse this crisis to blame the other party.
Therefore I state once more , as the consequences of these actions are economically worldwide :
Your US extremely capitalistic system "lives" at the expense of the most weak, the most needed in the world. Locally and worldwide.
Your system is at the basis of a lot of profound misery for billions of human beings worldwide.
Jesus tought socialism (note : not communism).
But with so many US Christians I see only very few of these real "Jesus" socialists in the US ...
Draw your own conclusions, Fred!!
:rolleyes:
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Cred,
Thanks for once again expressing your hate of the USA.
Fred
Yes we're horrible, which is why we have to have immigration laws and quotas to keep people from flooding into this horrible country and sneaking in anyway and fighting extradition or deportation
Now Cred's post is really interesting. He has told us repeatedly that he doesn't believe the Bible. Now he is telling us that Jesus taught socialism. Where did he get that idea? Is he now going to appeal to the Bible as PROOF that Jesus taught socialism?
Please don't encourage him. He IS full of helpful ideas at times and has no reservations about sharing them with us though
I will not go into the political and social causes of that, as that goes further away from the topic.Quote:
Originally Posted by wildandblue and Galveston1
Just one point : do you really think you can HONESTLY say that the US and all it's citizens have the interest of all of humanity in their mind - just as Jesus taught - instead of the basically "me, myself, and I" approach?
I do not hate US americans, as Fred suggested. I only wonder why (and actually regret that) the USA and it's approx. 300 million people which I admire for it's beauty and qualities - like purposeful and efficient working - could stray away so far from basic social underlining of society in general. You people have perfected a way of living that is in some way related to vultures who feed on the carcasses of their own, as long as they can fill their bellies, and who do so without any second thoughts.
Here in W. Europe we also have a capitalistic system, but one co-based on social responsibility - a system not as effective as the US system, but with a lot higher content of fairness towards the interests of all others involved.
Returning to Luke 4 - 18/19 : instead of preaching the gospel to the poor, you may show more interest on why they are poor, and help them to improve themselves, even if that goes for part at your own interest and expense. In my views that social aspect is more important than preaching something you - seen from your own actions - clearly do not believe or adhere to yourself...
:rolleyes:
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Cred,
Preaching to the poor at heart; those who are spiritually bankrupt are who Jesus was talking about.
Be prepared to get some preaching to you about that; particularly from folks like Tj3.
Peace and kindness,
Fred
Dear Fred, Jesus may have been talking about that kind of poor, the real world is full of people who are financially so poor, that they do not know in the morning if there will be food for an evening meal.Quote:
Originally Posted by arcura
I KNOW (not believe) that , because I lived between them for years during my Africa experience, and I shared my food with them.
(Spiritual) thinking is also important , but on an empty belly thinking is considerably less effective (and that is a fact !).
Thanks for the warning, but I do not have much problems with those who try to preach to me. Specially if that is done by haughty hypocrites with a personal agenda ! I am sure you know what I mean!!
Have a nice day, my friend !
:)
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If I was starving and someone tried to talk to me about how much God loved me. I would wonder why God would starve me. But even Jesus fed his followers when they were hungry-the fish and the loaves? He took all of he had and shared it. You know I've always though of Jesus as the original hippie. I think the US should consider some forms of socialism. Like healthcare. The Ownership system of the current party has proved ineffective so far.
Ps. This is not an attack! This is only my opinion
spyderglass,
They way I read scripture on that is that it is we who are to share, not the government forcing us to share via taxing, raking off some, and then spreading it about as the government sees fit.
We now see who they favor (not the people) and the do nothing congress has just do nothing again.
So much for the Christian attitude in the USA government.
Jesus intentions according to that passage were good, what He was sent to do.
Congress is not doing what it was sent to do.
Peace and kindness,
Fred
Christianity: I have three coats and my neighbor has none. I give him one of my coats.
Socialism: I have three coats and my neighbor has none. The government takes 2 of my coats away, gives one to my neighbor and keeps the other one.
Communism: The government has all the coats, winter is coming and neither me or my neighbor has a coat. We work for the government so we will have a coat. Next July, we each get a coat, maybe.
Galveston1
That seem to be the way things are and work.
Fred
Spyderglass : from the Bible it is easy to see that Jesus had strong social(istic) tendencies.Quote:
Originally Posted by spyderglass
Surely not capitalistic ideas.
And yes : I agree with you with your views on changes to the US system.
But as the political clique can not even agree on saving their own economy, I strongly doubt that such changes will ever be implemented...
:)
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And if you have an American capitalistic coat, the banks offers you forward options and credit for that coat, the bank managers end up with golden handshakes, and you end up with no coat at all while the politicians are arguing on the way they want to save the economy so that you can buy another coat with your credit card...Quote:
Originally Posted by Galveston1
:D :rolleyes: :p :) ;) :D
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Cred,
LOL...
That could be.
Fred
If I have an agenda it's news to me
I heard something just like this coat business only it involved cows.
A lot of our current crisis is due to bad mortgage loans. A lot of the homes or at least the loans are actually owned by by overseas banks or buyers. So why should the American taxpayer bail them out? We are just enslaving ourselves to foreign governments on top of all the cash leaving to pay our thirst for oil like that Texas oil guy on TV says. Tell them if they want their money, come and get it. (Or pry it out of our cold dead hands.)
Apologies to our new member byiki we all should not be hijacking his post an ignoring his question.
wildandblue
Please back to the subject.
But a lot more of the people will be much hurt IF the do nothing congress still does nothing.
At least Jesus did what He was supposed to do according to that passage.
Peace and kindness,
Fred (arcura)
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