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Possible end-of-times later today .

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Cern will start up today its Hadron collider for the first time. And on 10 September 2008 it will go on "full steam".

See this link to Cern article .

That collider COULD produce one or more tiny "black holes". If these black holes are not auto-self-extinguishing , "end-of-times" may be later today. So as per the scouts motto : BE PREPARED !!!

Have a quick look here to see what may be awaiting us all... it could be your last chance to see it... :D

YouTube - The CERN black hole Déjà vu <----- See this !!!

I know that from the science side they ensure us that there is no real danger.
But how do you approach such a possible potential danger for all life on earth from a religious point of view?
Any comments are welcome !

:rolleyes:

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Anyone who concerns themselves with an end of the world scenario is a chicken little . It reminds me of the global warming alarmists... alot of hot air over nothing .

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Originally Posted by tomder55

Anyone who concerns themselves with an end of the world scenario is a chicken little . It reminds me of the global warming alarmists ...alot of hot air over nothing .

As always rude and besides the question, is it not, Tom? So that was your religious point of view?

I am already at least surprised that you did not blame Obama for it !

:D :D :D :D :D
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For what ? Global warming or black holes ? (disclaimer... nothing racial implied )

As for my religious postition; my religion has no conflict with serious moral scientific exploration.

You mean auto-self-extinguishing, right?

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Originally Posted by Credendovidis

·But how do you approach such a possible potential danger for all life on earth from a religious point of view?·

It's all part of god's great plan.

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Originally Posted by Capuchin

You mean auto-self-extinguishing, right?

Right ! Thanks for posting that. Had that corrected immediately !

:)

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Everyone there still alive and well ?
I guess we will have to wait till 10 September 2008 when the Hadron Collider at Cern will go on "full steam" !

Time enough to get prepared for the Big Day!!

:rolleyes:

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Sorry Crev the world did end, and you are now in hell where everyone just believes and there is no facts

... "and there is no facts"...

In that case nice to see you here, Chuck ! Do you already know why you are here?
And I note that even in "hell" the spelling/grammar remains atrocious...

:D :D :D :D :D

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Originally Posted by Fr_Chuck

Sorry Crev the world did end, and you are now in hell where everyone just beleives and there is no facts

I guess all that praying and living per the bible got you nowhere. :)

Hello Cred:

Well, this is the day after, and I'm still here... But... there's this big black thing in the sky... Wait a minute!! It's growing! OMG, it's getting bigger... It's filling the sky... It's overtaking me. It's...

e...

Jeeze, I missed it.

I just used Google earth, and found the spot where "ex" was when the black hole got him.

Anyone want to share his stash?

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Originally Posted by excon

Well, this is the day after, and I'm still here.... But.... there's this big black thing in the sky... Wait a minute!!! It's growing!! OMG, it's getting bigger... It's filling the sky... It's overtaking me. It's ............ e.......

Sucked up... At last...
As Chuck suggested you should now also be in hell, together with him !
Or be with Chuck, making it (a) hell... (See # 10)

:D :D :D :D :D

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Wow, glad I saw this after the fact. ;)

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But how do you approach such a possible potential danger for all life on earth from a religious point of view?
Any comments are welcome !

I didn't check back to see how other people answered, so I'll just state what I would do, but I don't know if I can call it a religious point of view. Okay a believers point of view, or as Cred has told me, and I agree, a Deist's point of view;

If I believed, truly believed, that the world was going to end, well, then I'd gather my family and friends around me for a potluck dinner, have both my kids on my lap, hug them constantly, tell them how much I love them, even though they already know that. I'd make love to my husband one last time, and I'd pull out all the stops. ;) Then, I'd wait, nothing I can do. Oh, I'd probably go outside to see the big show with the whole family.

Now, having said that, I've seen allot of death in my 37 years, so I try to live each day as if it were my last. I don't always succeed in that, but I do try. No, I don't have potluck dinners every day, but the rest is pretty accurate. ;)

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Originally Posted by Credendovidis

Everyone there still alive and well ?
I guess we will have to wait till 10 September 2008 when the Hadron Collider at Cern will go on "full steam" !

Time enough to get prepared for the Big Day !!!

:rolleyes:

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Wait, just saw this. Darnit, My birthday is September 14, looks like I'll miss it this year. That sucks. ;):)

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Originally Posted by Altenweg

Wait, just saw this. Darnit, My birthday is September 14, looks like I'll miss it this year. That sucks. ;):)

Hhhmmmm : make sure to celebrate it a week earlier... just in case !

:rolleyes:

Hmmmmm2 : have to remember : alty : 9-14- uhhhhhhhh : which year was that?

:D :p :D

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Year? Dare I tell? Oh what the heck, 1970. So, I'll be celebrating my 28th birthday for the 10th time this year. ;)

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Originally Posted by Altenweg

Year? Dare I tell? Oh what the heck, 1970. So, I'll be celebrating my 28th birthday for the 10th time this year. ;)

Oh dear oh dear oh dear... 28 years young and already such a big...

Well... Uhmm...

You're in my little red book !

:D

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August and September are busy months for the Altenweg family. My daughter turns 6 on August 26, my son turns 10 on Setpember 4. By the time my birthday comes around we're too exhausted to do anything. ;)

So, when's your birthday? Will you get to celebrate this year, what with the world ending and all? ;)

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Originally Posted by Altenweg

So, when's your birthday? Will you get to celebrate this year, what with the world ending and all? ;)

Seems I just make it to that ! Some 2 weeks before "Z" day ! The 21' of August is the day I was born. 5 minutes passed midnight was the first time I informed people around me of my opinion(s)...

;)

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Lots of fun here! As to the final question of the original post, any Sunday School junior knows that mankind is not going to destroy this planet, or themselves. The question is irrelevant.

Matthew 24:36-

Lets "see' if these Higgs boson is for real ;)

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Originally Posted by inthebox

Matthew 24:36-

Lets "see' if these Higgs boson is for real ;)

Not sure what you are saying. That passage is not describing the end of the world. That is given here:

2 Pet 3:10
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
(KJV)

And man is not going to do this. Jehovah is. And still it is not the end of everything, just a new beginning.

Ps. Don't worry about it. It will not happen for more than 1000 years yet.

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Originally Posted by Galveston1

Not sure what you are saying. That passage is not describing the end of the world

Indeed. And neither will heaven and earth pass away. Both will still be there, though earth (very unlikely) in a different - extremely compact - format.

;)

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My guess is that the earth will be here long after humans have disappeared .

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Originally Posted by tomder55

my guess is that the earth will be here long after humans have disappeared .

That is a near certainty. The question in this topic is only : in what format??

As an habitual planet where other lifeforms continue to live, as an in-habitual planet destroyed for most or all life by human made pollution and/or (military) actions, as an oven-like planet like Venus due to run out-of-hand warming up processes, or a human made small black hole due to human haughtiness and/or over-inflated ego.

:rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by tomder55

my guess is that the earth will be here long after humans have disappeared .

Until our sun goes supernova.

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Originally Posted by NeedKarma

Until our sun goes supernova.

Not really. The sun is not expected to go supernova, but calculations show that when she goes nova in about 4-5 Billion years from now, earth will be absorbed into the hot gas shell, resulting in total disintegration of everything on and in earth into atoms. All atoms will become part of the sun's core and/or atmosphere. And the parts that remains in the suns atmosphere will later - once the sun blows off it's shell - be on their way to manure the rest of our galaxy.

Happy journeys!

Note : still I thank inthebox for his entry. So far it was the only real religious touch to the topic question.

:rolleyes:

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Since this IS a religious discussion, you will forgive me if my input is Bible based, right?
The scripture I gave above tells us that THIS world and everything in it will be burned up. The Bible tells also that there will be an new Earth, and that it will be inhabited by humans. Since you have absolutely nothing else to base any prognostications on, you are forced to consider that just such a future is coming.

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Originally Posted by Fr_Chuck

Sorry Crev the world did end, and you are now in hell where everyone just beleives and there is no facts

Or at least, everyone has their own facts.

This is a review of a book (My Facts, Your Facts) that says that more and more of us only listen to sources of information that tell us what we want to hear.

CJR: My Facts, Your Facts

How many times has the bible predicted the end of the world? How many times have we been told to kiss our loved ones goodbye because the end is near? Our kind, caring, gentle God will become angry and kill everyone on earth. Not the God I believe in.

The End Of The World - Bible Prophecies

Maybe the world will end one day, but in our lifetime?

And after reading the scriptures in that link, I am even more firm in denying the bible as the "word of God".

Just my take on it.

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Originally Posted by Altenweg

How many times has the bible predicted the end of the world?

To be fair : most of the times that is brought up, it is not done so by the bible, but by humans interpreting the bible towards supporting their own ideas. Of course the lack of clarity, mistakes, and contradictions in the bible allow the blooming of misuse and misinterpretation.

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Originally Posted by Altenweg

Maybe the world will end one day, but in our lifetime?

The world will end one day : that is a near certainty. But science tells us that that will take some 4 to 5 billion years from now. No need to worry now, I would say. There is more reason to worry about the end of our species, and about all life on earth. I am worried about the selfish misuse of our sole common spaceship earth. By all who cause all kinds of pollution on our planet, for the causes for "global warming" that are the result of human activities, and for scientific experiments of any kind that threatens the quality of life on earth, and/or earth itself.

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Originally Posted by Altenweg

And after reading the scriptures in that link, I am even more firm in denying the bible as the "word of God".

You are free to believe whatever you prefer !

:)

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Most of the species that have ever lived are now extinct--99% by some estimates. No reason to think we will be outperform these other stocks. I think we should accept our own inevitable extinction the way we are told to accept death. (I haven't yet!) Of course, like everyone else, I'd like to put off human extinction as long as possible, for the sake of my kids and grand kids and, more generally, everyone in future generations. But at some level, we have to accept that humans aren't here forever. I don't think that's something most people think about much. It's fun to think we might colonize other planets and extend our existence by another billion years or so. But that's probably unlikely, isn't it?

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Originally Posted by asking

Most of the species that have ever lived are now extinct--99% by some estimates. No reason to think we will be outperform these other stocks. I think we should accept our own inevitable extinction the way we are told to accept death. (I haven't yet!) Of course, like everyone else, I'd like to put off human extinction as long as possible, for the sake of my kids and grand kids and, more generally, everyone in future generations. But at some level, we have to accept that humans aren't here forever. I don't think that's something most people think about much. It's fun to think we might colonize other planets and extend our existence by another billion years or so. But that's probably unlikely, isn't it?

Indeed. I doubt very strongly if that is likely. We are nearing a time when slowly but surely we will have to start better prioritize our human goals, in view of the available energy and raw material shortages.
Inter-solar research and discovery will increase. But inter-galaxtic? I doubt that strongly !
Too expensive in many respects, too difficult, too far, and too many problems with the consequences of relativity. Humanity has still not learned to really co-operate on a grand scale, and I fear that that will only happen when it is essential for survival of humanity as a species - when it is too late to be effective for sowing our species into the universe.

And religion is not something that brings humanity together neither - the reverse is more true!

The Captain Kirk's and Starfleet are science fiction and will remain being that - though often it is big fun to read, see, and dream about them...

:)

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Does it really matter whether CERN blow us all up. Or some crazy with a nuclear bomb(s). Personally I've had a bloody good life, so far anyway, a few ups and downs, but overall, I am healthy, have a roof over my head, and a full (very full some might say) belly. A lot better than many.

At least if there is a big bang the bloody earth will move for my ex-wives... at last. (Thought I'd lower the tone of this thread)

Peronally I lok forward to hell, heaven strikes me as a quiet place very serene, take me to the party! Although, if everyone and his dog would wait until my granddaughter grows up a bit, much appreciated, TA!

Have a good life all

Cern would not blow us all up. It may implode us into something with a diameter of only several meters. It surely will not be a kind of Big Bang - would it ever happen, though the effect for all of us would be the same - almost total annihilation.

There is something to say for your preference for hell (if it exists). Most nice and interesting people would be found there...

And yes - we all want our offspring to have all the good of life too, as they seem the real and only way for (our) "eternity" !

Have a good life too, colbtech !

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Well if the planet and everything on it reduces by the same amount, damn we're going to be very friendly. :D

Surely if heaven exists then hell must too? After working for 30 odd years for some real "works of art" employers, I think I'm in hell now! (without the parties)