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  • Aug 7, 2008, 03:15 PM
    Credendovidis
    How can atheism be a hoax?
    In the now closed topic "Religion all a hoax?" someone unimportant posted : "The real hoax is atheism".
    Talk about a non-argument !!!

    Let's see the real meaning of the word Atheism :

    Atheism

    A Theism

    A = without or no

    Theism = belief in one of more gods

    Atheism = being without (or having no) belief in one or more gods.

    Now : specially as so far nobody ever has proved that god or gods exist :

    Can anyone explain to me why being without (or having no) belief in one or more gods can be a "hoax" ???

    :rolleyes:

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  • Aug 7, 2008, 03:19 PM
    Fr_Chuck
    To myself I believe most people have some belief, and if not they view thierself as their god.

    If a person was truly one I do not believe they would even worry about telling someone, since since they would have no belief, they would care less about any belief.
  • Aug 7, 2008, 03:23 PM
    Alty
    It isn't a hoax, it's a choice, and your right as a human being.

    I can't comment about religion being a hoax, because I've stated many times that I don't believe in organized religion, or church. Someone who does believe in religion and church can better comment about it's validity, hopefully in a respectful manner.

    I guess that I'm a theist, according to the above, but I am not a Christian. I do believe in God, just not the man made things associated with that belief. Making sense? ;)

    I hope that I answered your question, at least part of it. :)
  • Aug 7, 2008, 03:25 PM
    Credendovidis
    Fr_Chuck : with all respect : what a nonsense ! So because I do not religious believe, you suggest that I view myself as my own god ?

    Please do not INSULT me with such ravings ! Why should I view myself as a non-existing entity? I do exist, and I do not hide for anyone. Your deity - should she exist - could learn a lot from me !

    :rolleyes:

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  • Aug 7, 2008, 03:27 PM
    Credendovidis
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Altenweg
    I guess that I'm a theist, according to the above, but I am not a Christian. I do believe in God, just not the man made things associated with that belief. Making sense?
    You are just as many of the Founding Fathers : you are a deist !

    :)

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  • Aug 7, 2008, 03:29 PM
    Alty
    Had to look it up, but I have to agree, I'm a deist. Finally, a word that applies to me.

    Sorry, off topic. ;)
  • Aug 7, 2008, 04:24 PM
    Credendovidis
    ·

    Can anyone explain to me why being without (or having no) belief in one or more gods can be a "hoax" ?

    :rolleyes:

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  • Aug 7, 2008, 04:31 PM
    Alty
    Definition of hoax: A hoax is a deliberate attempt to dupe, deceive or trick an audience into believing, or accepting, that something is real, when in fact it is not; or that something is true, when in fact it is false.

    I don't believe that not believing is a hoax, nor do I think that believing is a hoax.

    Neither side is deliberately attempting to dupe or decieve the other side. Both sides are just stating what they believe.

    Does this help?
  • Aug 7, 2008, 05:47 PM
    Choux
    I know Crededo, a rather amazing statement!!

    There is nothing much to call a hoax if the only thing that applies to all atheists' thinking is that they don't believe in gods. :D

    Plain and simple, don't believe that the following are gods... Zeus, Allah, Apollo, Aten, GodAlmighty... da da... da da...

    Nothing else, "Don't believe in gods".
  • Aug 7, 2008, 05:51 PM
    Choux
    The religious *leaders*(ministers, Imams, Pope, Bishops etc etc) perpetrate and continue an ancient hoax, Alty, in my opinion, for their own aggrandizement and wealth. :)
  • Aug 7, 2008, 05:58 PM
    Choux
    Chuck,

    I have told you many times that FundiEv Christianity in America is a POLITICAL PARTY and has to be opposed because they are toxic to our freedoms guaranteed in the Constitution and the Bill of Rights.

    I don't think I'm god, and please don't smear me anymore.
  • Aug 7, 2008, 06:11 PM
    kp2171
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Credendovidis
    In the now closed topic "Religion all a hoax?" someone unimportant posted: "The real hoax is atheism".
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    I'm not taking sides on the religion argument, but the words in color speak VOLUMES.
  • Aug 7, 2008, 06:12 PM
    Alty
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Choux
    The religious *leaders*(ministers, Imams, Pope, Bishops etc etc) perpetrate and continue an ancient hoax, Alty, in my opinion, for their own aggrandizement and wealth. :)
    I do have to say that I don't think believing in God is a hoax, but, having said that, I do believe that organized religion is largely based on wealth. (just my opinion, don't want to start a fight everyone)

    I have a friend that belongs to the Pentecostal church, her and her husband give 1/3 of their pay cheque to the church every month, because their pastor tells them to. Why, because whatever you give you will receive tenfold from God. This is mans views, not Gods, and they have yet to receive a dime, so there goes that theory. But the church is beautiful, marble floors, leather covered pews, and a very well dressed pastor. ;)

    Now, I don't believe in the bible, but, to prove a point about organized religion, I will use the bible to try and convey my point. Jesus preached everywhere, to everyone, the poor, the rich, even to prostitutes. He did not have a grand church in which to preach, he did not ask for money for preaching. So, why a church, why organized religion?

    The Catholic church is, as a whole, very wealthy, Jesus was but a poor carpenter, that's what the bible says, and yes, I do know the bible, have read the bible, that's why I don't believe in the bible. 10 plus years of Catholic school has served me well. ;)

    Organized religion is a man made entity, not a God made entity. The bible was written by men, not by God. So, why organized religion? Perhaps it's not God that is a hoax, but organized religion that is. (just my thoughts on the matter, once again, I don't want to start a fight).

    Atheism isn't a hoax, it's a belief that God does not exist. As human beings, with free will, we do have a right to believe what we choose, nes pas?

    I cannot prove a belief, and if I could, where would I begin to look for the proof, in the bible, in Church? You see my dilema. :)

    Choux, have we reached a truce between us? I hope so, because I am interested in your point of view. :)
  • Aug 8, 2008, 04:57 AM
    Credendovidis
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by kp2171
    im not taking sides on the religion arguement, but the words in color speak VOLUMES.
    Well... one has to keep to the rules of the board...

    :D :rolleyes: :p ;) :D

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  • Aug 8, 2008, 06:48 AM
    nishantmt
    How can god be a hoax. If there are laws of nature there has to be a law maker. Actually god is evidenced all the time but can't be felt as our senses our imperfect.

    Not having belief in God is to put ourself in real danger.
  • Aug 8, 2008, 06:52 AM
    NeedKarma
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by nishantmt
    Not having belief in God is to put ourself in real danger.
    What danger is that?

    BTW your avatar has two devils in it and "heaven" is misspelt.
  • Aug 8, 2008, 06:57 AM
    nishantmt
    Religion has some prescribed rules being an atheist breaks the rules can lead you to worse. Don't ask about that worse simply follow the rules.
  • Aug 8, 2008, 06:59 AM
    nishantmt
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by NeedKarma
    What danger is that?

    BTW your avatar has two devils in it and "heaven" is misspelt.
    Religion has some prescribed rules being an atheist breaks the rules can lead you to worse. Don't ask about that worse simply follow the rules
  • Aug 8, 2008, 07:04 AM
    Credendovidis
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by nishantmt
    religion has some prescribed rules being an athiest breaks the rules can lead you to worse. dont ask about that worse simply follow the rules.
    Hmmmmm , that seems to be a rather simplistic approach... Do what you are told to do or else... Heard that before... No more than a silencer...

    Why as per religious claim did we receive free will , if in the end you "dont ask ... but simply follow the rules" ?

    :rolleyes:

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  • Aug 8, 2008, 07:06 AM
    NeedKarma
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by nishantmt
    religion has some prescribed rules being an athiest breaks the rules can lead you to worse. dont ask about that worse simply follow the rules
    Religious people have rules within their religion, the rules do not affect those outside of it. I'm an atheist and my life is going great. If one is taught not to ask any questions then it's time to re-evaluate what you're involved with. I can handle the worst that life can throw at me. :)
  • Aug 8, 2008, 07:10 AM
    nishantmt
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Credendovidis
    Hmmmmm , that seems to be a rather simplistic approach .... Do what you are told to do or else .... Heard that before .... No more than a silencer ....

    Why as per religious claim did we receive free will , if in the end you "dont ask ... but simply follow the rules" ?

    :rolleyes:

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    Yes you got to follow the rules that's essential, what rules okk, we all have a relationship with god but due to contamination in our mind we are not able to link it. That's why follow the rules if rules are followed god can be met

    Yes do what you are told to do. I think you are getting it
  • Aug 8, 2008, 07:15 AM
    NeedKarma
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by nishantmt
    ...due to contamination in our mind ...
    Well I'm going to agree with you there.
  • Aug 8, 2008, 07:30 AM
    Credendovidis
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by nishantmt
    yes you gotta follow the rules thats essential, what rules okk, we all have a relationship with god but due to contamination in our mind we are not able to link it. Thats why follow the rules if rules are followed god can be met. yes do what you are told to do. I think you are getting it
    1 : But does god indeed exist? No objective suppported evidence for that exists, you can only BELIEVE it.

    2 : No we do not all have a relation with god. Which god are we talking here about? There are many different religions with many different gods... And the christian god is just one of these suggested gods.

    3 : There is no contamination in my mind. I got rid of all religious brainwashing.

    4 : I do not do what I am just told to do. I only do what I can qualify for myself as being proper to do.
    ... That attitude separates us humans from all other animals. Just following rules makes you a zombie.

    5 : I "got it" first time, but I just disagree.

    6 : Please spend some more time on your spelling/grammar and on your argumentation.

    :rolleyes:

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  • Aug 8, 2008, 08:05 AM
    bushg
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by kp2171
    im not taking sides on the religion arguement, but the words in color speak VOLUMES.
    Kp here's your :D
  • Aug 9, 2008, 05:27 AM
    Credendovidis
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by bushg
    kp heres your :D
    As I stated before : "one has to keep to the rules of the board" , and kp2171's response was excellent !

    :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

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  • Aug 10, 2008, 04:21 AM
    Credendovidis
    Once a again the topic question : How can atheism be a hoax?

    In the now closed topic "Religion all a hoax?" someone unimportant posted : "The real hoax is atheism".
    Talk about a non-argument!!

    Let's see the real meaning of the word Atheism :

    Atheism

    A Theism

    A = without or no

    Theism = belief in one of more gods

    Atheism = being without (or having no) belief in one or more gods.

    Now : specially as so far nobody ever has proved that god or gods exist :

    Can anyone explain to me why being without (or having no) belief in one or more gods can be a "hoax"??

    :rolleyes:

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  • Aug 10, 2008, 12:45 PM
    Choux
    Sure, Alty, no problem here!

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