I believe He was raised again for our justification. I believe I am justified. Or you could say it as just as if I’d never sinned. I know many do not share my belief. And many think Christians are supposed to be perfect all the time. The Bible, the Word of God, does say ‘be perfect even as your Father in Heaven is perfect’, but that was not telling us that our actions must always be perfect. If we could be perfect according to the world’s idea of the word, we would not have needed Jesus to die for us and to continually make intercessions for us.


When the truth gets to close to home, some people just run and hide, or in one case close the thread. If you cannot handle the truth, answer the hard questions, or take a defeat gracefully, then your only option left is to hide your face in:o.

To say someone is asinine is not calling someone a name, it an adjective, a descriptive word for those who talk foolishly, use repetitive statement and contradict themselves. It includes those who will twist another person’s words and make fun of someone’s spelling instead of answering the post with an intelligent response. It includes someone who avoids hard questions by making excuses, using childish tactics to ignore the post altogether. A name is a noun; a noun is the name of a person, place or thing. Charles, house, Georgia...





If one cannot take defeat gracefully, then one should not begin a battle of words, or come to an intelligent debate unarmed.


Is there only one truth? Everyone is different, with different ideas, opinions, beliefs and views. That is what makes us each unique. God likes an assortment of people, animals and trees. If we are not allowed to express ourselves according to our own personalities then what is the point of these board?


I know some take these things quite seriously, while others like to have a bit of fun. I suppose the staunch personalities cannot accept the feisty ones or appreciate their sense of humor. However, is that a reason to ignore them? I was under the impression that this was place to share opinions, debate and learn from each other.



Part of the motive for coming to these boards, at least for some, is to have some fun, get to know others who share similar opinions and debate and tease those who do not.



This is just my opinion, but to close a thread in the face of complete and total defeat is cowardly and childish. However, if anyone has a different opinion, please feel free to share.

One day every knee will bow and every tongue will confess that Jesus is Lord to the glory of God.

If someone does not believe in salvation, that does not make it untrue. Just as believing in salvation does not make it true. And if neither can be proven then how is one to decide what to believe?

Some of those threads do get too ridiculously repetitious. What is the point in keeping them open when they are going no where but circles? Anyway they start all over in the next thread anyway.
I will point out double standards and cop outs when I do see them if people want to see that as being mean so be it.

When you point out the obvious to someone and it makes him or her mad, it only goes to show how immature they are. Some things cannot be proven; it is a matter of faith. If you believe or if you have unbelief, both are faith.

The thing is one day, we will all know for sure, if they are right no problem, if we are right there will be Hell to pay.

Time is on our side, and I believe time is getting short. I hope they can see the 'truth' before it is too late.

Don't know the history here but the d!ck waving is clear and up front... "defeat" being the word that stands out over and over...

Ungh... do I agree with your subject line? Sure, and then some. When my aunt, catholic, left by her husband many years ago, cannot accept the eucharist... or my mother, left by her cheating husband, does the same... I wonder what good the words "Lord, I am not worthy to accept thee, but only say the Word and I shall be healed" mean...

Point is... the truth is this is a public forum that encourages polite discourse, but threads will be closed from time to time when it gets ugly and not in the best interest of the site.

So... get over it. Religious discussions are volatile and often its better to close threads than to let them run rampant. You can disagree... that's fine. Fine another forum.

This site isn't about censorship or about unchecked opinions.

You get to use their resources and bandwidth until its no longer deemed appropriate for the site. If you disagree, you can leave this site or pony up the cash to start your own.

Don't come and bash the owners for trying to keep some middle ground... its generally good business. Get over it or move on. But you don't get to stay and whine.

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That is indeed your right to believe...

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... The Bible, the Word of God....

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That is what you believe, not a fact !

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Babble, unless you specify what "truth" you refer to !

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To say someone is asinine is not calling someone a name, it an adjective, a descriptive word for those who talk foolishly, use repetitive statement and contradict themselves. It includes those who will twist another person’s words ...

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But if you know that, why do you keep doing just that?

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... God likes an assortment of people, animals and trees.

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That is what you believe, not a fact !

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This is just my opinion, but to close a thread in the face of complete and total defeat is cowardly and childish. However, if anyone has a different opinion, please feel free to share.

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Can you please state to whom you refer here? WHO closed WHAT thread ?

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One day every knee will bow and every tongue will confess that Jesus is Lord to the glory of God.[

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That is what you believe, not a fact !

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... if neither can be proven then how is one to decide what to believe?

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Good question. What do YOU suggest ?
I suggest not to (religiously) believe at all !

:D :rolleyes: :p ;) :D

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That is indeed your right to believe...


That is what you believe, not a fact ! :eek:


That is what you believe, not a fact ! :eek:


That is what you believe, not a fact ! :eek:


That is what you believe, not a fact ! :eek:

(Sounds like a broken radio :rolleyes: )

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Cred we know these are Beliefs, in the same way you believe in a Big Bang and that the Amoeba is your distant ancestor.(we know this what believe even though you deny it) We do not claim these to be facts. We believe it to be TRUTH. So save yourself the energy because no one here has claimed fact except YOU. So we don't need you to tell us over and over and over and over and over again, something we already know. You just keep repeating yourself and you are starting to sound like a scratched CD. If anyone needs to be reminded of their beliefs its you.

Do I need to remind you of this... :D

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Of course I have beliefs.

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I was under the impression that he died for everyone?

The good, the bad, and the ugly.

I really don't think he had anyone specific in mind, Godly or Un-Godly.

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One day every knee will bow and every tongue will confess that Jesus is Lord to the glory of God.

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yea, I don't think so.

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dont know the history here but the d!ck waving is clear and up front... "defeat" being the word that stands out over and over...

ungh... do i agree with your subject line? sure, and then some. when my aunt, catholic, left by her husband many years ago, cannot accept the eucharist... or my mother, left by her cheating husband, does the same... i wonder what good the words "Lord, I am not worthy to accept thee, but only say the Word and I shall be healed" mean...

point is... the truth is this is a public forum that encourages polite discourse, but threads will be closed from time to time when it gets ugly and not in the best interest of the site.

so.... get over it. religious discussions are volatile and often its better to close threads than to let them run rampant. you can disagree... thats fine. fine another forum.

this site isnt about censorship or about unchecked opinions.

you get to use their resources and bandwidth until its no longer deemed appropriate for the site. if you disagree, you can leave this site or pony up the cash to start your own.

dont come and bash the owners for trying to keep some middle ground... its generally good business. get over it or move on. but you dont get to stay and whine.

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I was not bashing the owners of the site... a particular person... I assumed he closed the site... perhaps I was wrong... I have been wrong before and most likely will be again. I do agree with you about the whining part... that is not what I was doing... I was expressing my opinion... isn't that what you said this was for?

Yes, religious discussions are volatile, and in my opinion futile, but the battle started when someone asked about faith and how one could be so confidence of what they believe. Many were trying to explain…but all the answer we got back was that is what you believe. Well, what else could we be telling him?

However, others came to the site not to answer the original question, but to bash the ones who were trying to help. It did get rather volatile. With certain people making fun of other’s spelling and such, saying nothing of importance or in reference to the post.

The young man wanted a reason to believe again, he did at one time, he wanted examples, but he asked for proof. There is no proof; it is only by faith. Faith can’t be explained only experienced and that by choice.

I'm over it, but as you can see by the post below yours others arenot yet over it, and bringing it to this site. If the owners want to close this one, I would not mind and I could completely understand why they would.

Thanks for you comment I don't quite understand your first line however. The defeat mentioned was a certain person constantly for months perhaps years saying he has no beliefs and finally admitting that he did.

To other ones of us that was his defeat...our responses, which probably did seem mean or even hateful..was actually frivolous and flippant jesting. Some people take these posts much too seriously. They wear their feelings on their sleeves.

The written word cannot always express the actually emotion of its intent. Therefore, it may come across as harsh, when it was only intended to be a jab.

I suppose I should use more restraint in my language and less jesting, since my sense of humor seems course and unrefined in the written word, however, it is accepted with explosions of laughter in person. I do not understand how there could be such a huge difference, but apparently, the tone of voice has a great deal to do with knowing a joke from a critical remark.

I will try to use kinder words, be genteel, and write with more care and sensitivity so as not to hurt anyone tender feelings.



Wado

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The defeat mentioned was a certain person constantly for months perhaps years saying he has no beliefs and finally admitting that he did.

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It seems that you have a need to be perceived as having beat someone at something. I saw no admission like you said that contradicted his original views. I don't get this. There was no 'defeat' and by using that term it sets up an antagonistic forum - us versus them battle. That shouldn't be the case.

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That is indeed your right to believe ....


That is what you believe, not a fact !


Babble, unless you specify what "truth" you refer to !


That includes you too, I note !!!


But if you know that, why do you keep doing just that ? ? ?


That is what you believe, not a fact !


Can you please state to whom you refer here? WHO closed WHAT thread ?


That is what you believe, not a fact !


Good question. What do YOU suggest ?
I suggest not to (religiously) believe at all !

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Osiyo Cred,

do hi tsu "How are you today?"

I hope all is well with you.

I am sorry if I hurt your feelings or if any of my remarks seemed harsh or unkind. I ask you to forgive me and I hope we can be civil to each other.

Yes, those are my beliefs... I said so... and you have your beliefs... you said so.

You suggest we not have any religious beliefs, for once, we agree. I do not have religious beliefs, I think I mentioned that before... I have relationship beliefs. I will not bother trying to explain the difference to you, again. It does not really matter if you understand it or not.

I suggest that we accept that we have different beliefs and let it go at that. Will you agree?

I do hope so,

Peace and love,
Tsila

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I was under the impression that he died for everyone?

The good, the bad, and the ugly.

I really don't think he had anyone specific in mind, Godly or Un-Godly.

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Well, of course He did, who said He didn’t? He had everyone on His mind, He died for everyone who has ever lived and for everyone who will live; He had each one of us in mind while He was on the cross.

If you want to make a big deal about the word ungodly... I was quoting the Word of God, which says 'there is none godly, no not one... " and “Christ died for the ungodly….”

That is why He came to die for the ungodly, which includes everyone; the good, the bad and the ugly.

Which one are you? :) (Just to clarify: this is a joke, not a challenge to battle or mean hateful remark)

T

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yea, I don't think so.

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I hope all is well with you, dear.

Your unbelief will not stop it. However, you are allowed your unbelief, and I am allowed my belief. The right to express it is also mine.


So I believe every knee shall bow and every tongue will confess Jesus is Lord to the glory of God.

That is what I believe.

I am not asking you to believe it, just putting it out there, spreading the Word. You decide what you want to believe and I will agree that you have the God given right to believe it.

He said; I call heaven and earth as witnesses today against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing; therefore choose life, that both you and your descendants may live;”

He infers that you also have the right to chose death and cursing. Death does not mean to die, but the spirit of death, which brings the curse.

Only time will tell; then debates will cease, and all will eventually have to agree there is only one truth.


Be blessed, goodness and mercy upon thee, peace and love upon your house.

Tsila

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Who willfully chooses death and cursing? Have you? I haven't. I believe that religion is a personal matter. No one should be coming to my house trying to convert me, that's wrong and an invasion of privacy.

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It seems that you have a need to be perceived as having beat someone at something. I saw no admission like you said that contradicted his original views. I don't get this. There was no 'defeat' and by using that term it sets up an antagonistic forum - us versus them battle. That shouldn't be the case.

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As I said in another post, I often come off as being harsh, I am trying to be more mellow, and speak softly to everyone now so as not to hurt anyone’s feelings.

The defeat referred to here, was not my victory... but the fact that Cred finally admitted that he does have beliefs after years of saying he had none. I was simply being jovial with a pal who finally got him to admit he does indeed have beliefs. I did not beat him; she did get him to contradict himself.

Perhaps defeat was a harsh, even inappropriate word, I am sorry. I will try to kinder words in the future.

However, I have felt antagonism from you and others from the time I first said a word here. It does seem as if there are ‘us versus them’ but I did not start it. That battle had been going on for quite some time. I only just found this board some weeks ago.

Cred has declared repeatedly that he has no beliefs, and then he stared emphatically that he does ‘of course I have beliefs’. How is that not contradicting himself?

As for the ‘us versus them’ why is it that you are always defending Cred against everyone who disagrees with him. To me that feels like the two of you, are taking sides even when the post was not directed at you. I have not noticed him defending you; perhaps I just overlooked it. It does seem strange to me that you feel the need to defend Cred, or take his side.

Why is that?

Peace and love

T

Yeah I went around and around with him on believe/accept vs believe IN and he persisted in making the believe an argument as well as many other points.
Okay you want to call all Americans gringo fine but why argue that it is not also meant as a derogatory term whether you meant it that way or not accept us telling you it can be taken that way.
I agree making it a us against them is not the issue but the fact that Believers are badgered for not using proper words, spelling errors and typos and other cop outs like ''go back to the subject'' when he gets frustrated that he can no longer deny that we got our point across. I am sorry but I can not stand double standards and that is all that these tactics amount to mostly so I do and will continue to point them out!

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A It does seem strange to me that you feel the need to defend Cred, or take his side.

Why is that?

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I'm not defending him or taking his side, I point out inaccuracies or double standards as NoHelp pointed out.

This is a discussion board, people answer/comment on any post they wish to, that's by design, that's why there is no threaded/nesting setup here. If you are uncomfortable with that thee isn't much I can do.

About that 'beliefs' point you try to make: the christians use the word belief in their own way meaning belief in their god, but the word is more generic than that isn't it? I believe the sun will come up tomorrow, I believe in my kids, I believe that I'll have a beer tonight. I have beliefs.

Exactly the point I tried to get across to Cred.
Maybe I finally sunk it in after all these years since he finally said he does believe some things to sassy.

https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/religi...ml#post1148394 #16 on

People are just tired of his word games.

Everybody believes in something, could be they believe in the comfort of a good hooker or that water tastes good.

Of course if you specify an area like religion or beliefs in gos then could very well say that they don't believe in them. In the same vein that one may not believe that the Cubs will win the world series.

When I talk to Cred I specify setting aside religion, and things like that so that he can not lump it all together but he still manages to mix it all together to 'win'

[quote=NeedKarma]Who willfully chooses death and cursing? Have you? I haven't. I believe that religion is a personal matter. No one should be coming to my house trying to convert me, that's wrong and an invasion of privacy.[/quo

He set before us two choices, life or death. Everyone has to choose, if you believe it or not. If you do not chose life, then you automatically chose death. This is what the Word says this is what I believe. You can believe what you like.



I can see nowhere in any of my posts where I said anything at all about coming to your house trying to convert you. If you can show me where I did write that, please do so. I said blessings upon your house, or something like that, but I do not intend to come to your house, dear. I do not intend to try to convert you on here either.

I have told you, this is what I believe, and you believe what you choose to believe. Can’t we just agree to disagree?

I do not even know what you believe. I just know that what ever I believe you choose to disagree. Or so it seems.

I would even venture to say you seem argumentative toward me no matter what I say, and even on things I do not say, but that might sound to harsh.

Blessing upon your house, that mean I want you to have a happy home, not that I am planning an invasion of Bible thumpers. That was a bit of humor. If you do not think it is funny just ignore it. No matter.


T

So we both chose life, cool. :)

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I'm not defending him or taking his side, I point out inaccuracies or double standards as NoHelp pointed out.

This is a discussion board, people answer/comment on any post they wish to, that's by design, that's why there is no threaded/nesting setup here. If you are uncomfortable with that thee isn't much I can do.

About that 'beliefs' point you try to make: the christians use the word belief in their own way meaning belief in their god, but the word is more generic than that isn't it? I believe the sun will come up tomorrow, I believe in my kids, I believe that I'll have a beer tonight. I have beliefs.

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I am sure you do not intent it this way, but your words are coming across as very harsh and almost hateful toward me personally.

I assume you did not think my joke was funny, and you could not find where I had written that I was coming to your house. So, let us just move past all that.

Of course, this is a discussion board and that was not my point. But if you will look back at some of your one-liners to me; they were not pointing out inaccuracies…they were just rude and they hurt my feelings and almost drove me near to tears.

Belief and believe do mean different things to different people. But when Christians speak of their beliefs, yes, dear, they are talking of their God. We were not saying that Cred admitted he believes in God. Only that he has beliefs, which he had been denying to any of, for several years. I believe I will have another cup of coffee. See, I understand what you are saying. I wish you could understand what I was saying.

I would like to make a suggestion, and I hope you take it with the kindness and sincerity in which it is intended. Please read the posts carefully, and perhaps reread them, so that others and I will not have to repeat ourselves so much.

Peace and love,
Tsila

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Show me where I have done that. :confused:

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yeah I went around and around with him on believe/accept vs believe IN and he persisted in making the believe an argument as well as many other points.
Okay you want to call all Americans gringo fine but why argue that it is not also meant as a derogatory term whether you meant it that way or not accept us telling you it can be taken that way.
I agree making it a us against them is not the issue but the fact that Believers are badgered for not using proper words, spelling errors and typos and other cop outs like ''go back to the subject'' when he gets frustrated that he can no longer deny that we got our point across. I am sorry but I can not stand double standards and that is all that these tactics amount to mostly so I do and will continue to point them out!

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So true. It is discussions board not a spelling bee or grammar class. If one cannot come up with a proper and respectful post then they should refrain from posting. Sinking down to a level of correcting someone’s spelling/grammar or repeating themselves over and over and over…Example: That is indeed your right to believe That is what you believe, not a fact ! Babble, unless you specify what "truth" you refer to ! That includes you too, I note !!! But if you know that, why do you keep doing just that ? ? ? That is what you believe, not a fact !. because they have nothing more intelligent to say is a waste of this privilege.

Peace and love
T

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Show me where I have done that. :confused:

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The defeat mentioned was a certain person constantly for months perhaps years saying he has no beliefs and finally admitting that he did.

It seems that you have a need to be perceived as having beat someone at something. I saw no admission like you said that contradicted his original views. I don't get this. There was no 'defeat' and by using that term it sets up an antagonistic forum - us versus them battle. That shouldn't be the case.

This sounded very harsh to me, and there are many one-liners that seem like personal attacks. I said I might be wrong. I sure hope that there is no vile between us. I am trying very hard to be a kind person, and to be polite and not to joke with people because they do not understand they are jokes and get offended. Anyway, if I am wrong then I am pleased.



Peace then,

Tsila,

Hope I am not off topic here. But just reading some of your post, don't worry your precious self about trying to defend your love for God. It doesn't need defending... shared.. yes.. but you don't have to defend to where it gets to the point where your feelings get hurt.

Let God's love shield you, protect you, and wrap yourself in His love, and you will never feel of twinge of any pain, when sharing His love or your belief in Our Heavenly Father.

Bless you now and always,
Allheart

Back to the question... "If someone does not believe in salvation, that does not make it untrue. Just as believing in salvation does not make it true. And if neither can be proven then how is one to decide what to believe?"

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A religion is a *story about a supernatural*. The supernatural cannot be proved, therefore, all the assertions involving the supernatural in religious teachings cannot be proven... like salvation, heaven, original sin, and so on...

Some people study their religion, such as Christianity, and they also study difficult subjects such as physics and biology, philosophy and logic, mathematics and history... and so on.

Every individual *chooses* whether they want to believe/have faith in a religion such as Christianity... or... be a non-believer in the supernatural. In a free society, an individual is not forced to believe in a religion... in a dictatorship, such as Saudi Arabia, each citizen if forced to be a believer in Islam, and nothing else.

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You may state whatever you want. I may specify whatever I want. And I am not bound by - or responsible for - your claims. Only for what I state...

And your conclusions here are ludicrous... as usual...

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Every individual *chooses* whether they want to believe/have faith in a religion such as Christianity...or...be a non-believer in the supernatural. In a free society, an individual is not forced to believe in a religion...

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Although many theists seem to see that an an intolerable situation : they want to be free to believe themselves. But not others to be free to believe otherwise...
Enough of that type on this and other boards !

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My claims are ludicrous but yet so many do so the same thing I see

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If you mean me with that, I do not see why it is so difficult for you just to quote where I ever did state not to believe at all into anything. Not by twisting the clear to everyone statement I make on belief already for many years and all over the Internet on religious boards.
I almost always and only make such statements on board related to religion, and I almost always refer clearly to belief of religious claims, and where not specific to religious belief, the link to religion is obvious from the context of my position. After all : one may after thousands of times making the same statements at times slip on on something.

Only those who have problems with the (clarity of my) statements on religious belief would go as low as you do now in the hope that I would change my position, or can be proved wrong. I will not, and never will. I simply do not believe in religious matters, and note in that respect that never ever has there been any objective supporting evidence provided for the correctness of the existence of the Christian god (and any other god/gods), and that god is the Creator. Without that support any religion - except Buddhism - is nothing more than hot empty air!!

But you are free to search the Internet for statements from my hand that supports your suggestion. It will be in vain, as I never changed my approach. The reason why so many theists hate my guts as they know my arguments are sound and beyond denying.
Only you, sassyT, and few other religious blinded still have to learn that...

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I've been away from this site for a while, so I don't know any of the background to it.

My only question is this;

Of all the religions in the world (and there are quite a few!) what makes you think yours is definitely the right one!

I really hope there's an afterlife, or reincarnation, or something along those lines... but asking me to live my life by a set of rules that may help, or even hinder my chances of getting that prize... and not even that, but make me choose from hundreds of options of which path to follow... that seems senseless to me!

If there is a God, Allah, Supreme Being... whatever there is... who was good enough to give me a life, I'm pretty sure he'd just want me to enjoy it while it lasts!

And if I'm wrong, I'll say sorry and buy him a beer when I see him...

Unless he's a Muslim or Morman, then I'll just get him a herbal tea!

Hi Hunt - ( be sure it's lite beer - the clouds can only hold up so much :).

Hunt, it has always been my belief, that any religion that accepts God and Jesus as their loving savior, is just another road to God. I believe, all these religions are just different roads that lead to God, and one religion surely is not superior or more right than the other.

It's kind of like, there are many colleges, all over the world. And in most colleges they teach engineering, different teachers, different ways to teach, but ultimately, when all the students complete their engineering courses, as well as all the other required courses, they all then are engineers, they just attended different colleges.

Different way of teaching, different teachers, but the outcome is the same, in knowing, loving and following the teachings of Our Heveanly Father.

Hope this makes a little sense :)

Yeah, that's a very good way of putting it!

But surely if I don't want to pick a religion, and I'm just a good person, God would be happy with that too! I mean, he's a clever bloke, he's going to understand my point of view! Ha ha!

The point here is not which/what religion is the right one it is the problem some non believers seem to have with believers (of any kind)

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I wouldn't say that - maybe one specific one. The 'non-believers' don't go around telling your living your life the wrong way because you aren't like them. There no need to attempt to convert people. Do atheists go door-to-door like the mormons do? How about if both sides stop preaching?

Cred insists that American Christians in general are not living their life the right way.
In a sense his telling us constantly how we are basically hypocrites is about as bad as if he was saying 'your living your life the wrong way because you aren't like them'.

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Back to the question...."If someone does not believe in salvation, that does not make it untrue. Just as believing in salvation does not make it true. And if neither can be proven then how is one to decide what to believe?"

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A religion is a *story about a supernatural*. The supernatural cannot be proved, therefore, all the assertions involving the supernatural in religious teachings cannot be proven....like salvation, heaven, original sin, and so on.....

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The reason why you say the supernatural can not be proven is because you are looking for NATURAL Scientific evidence for the SUPER NATURAL.. which does not make any sense.
The supernatural happens every day but it can not be scientifically proven because science is the study of NATURAL phenomenon so it is impossible to prove the supernatural by scientific means. There is a supernatural spiritual relm that exists and I know it does because my mom's sister used be a witch. Supernatural things happen all the time but skeptics like you always try to find a natural explanation for it. So just because in your Opinion you don't think the supernatural exists.. does not mean you are right because there is at least 5 billion people in the world who will disagree with you.