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My view on this subject is that there is a god, if you disagree then lets discuss what you think... the second question is if there is a God, who's God is the right God... and please don't say that everyone's god is the right one, because that statement is contradiction itself.
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Originally Posted by ineedhelpfast
Humans have always wanted someone bigger than they are to blame, to thank, to ask for favors and help, to love, to look up to. Throughout the ages, that someone has usually been called God (or gods).
Is there a God? Yes, I believe there is Someone bigger than us, an inscrutable Mind, a Higher Power, a Great Mover and Doer.
Whose god is the right god? God is unknowable and indefinable. God doesn't belong to any particular religion, and can't be fenced off or put into a box or plugged into a certain set of circumstances. God is too big for that. All a religion does is define God for its own purposes and help people relate to and understand God.
I think that what people perceive as God is the power of human faith manifested in our lives.
Yes, I believe there is a God, and I believe that He is the only God.Quote:
Originally Posted by ineedhelpfast
1 Corinthians 8:5-6
For even if there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or on earth (as indeed there are many "gods" and many "lords"), yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live.
I do believe in Our Heavenly Father. I also, believe, that those who pray to God, we are all praying to the same Father.
I always try and simplify it by correlating it to something that we all can try and understand.
We all have an earthly Father. In my family there are 5 of us. Each of us had a similar relationship with my Dad, but because of our individualities, the relationship was unique to who we are. But it was still the same Father.
There is no right God, that is where division creeps in. It is my belief, that we are all loved by Our Heavenly Father, known as God.
My response to question 1 is : NO.Quote:
Originally Posted by ineedhelpfast
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Reasoning :
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- WHY should there be a God?
- WHAT makes YOU think that there is a God?
- WHERE is the objective supporting evidence for the existence of that God?
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My response to question 2 is : NONE OF THEM.
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Reasoning :
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Does that contradiction on itself not confirms, that the assumption that God/Gods exist is purely metaphysical instead of realistic?
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There is only one good guy as I prefer to call him each religious following just calls him something different therefore we all have the right "GOD"Quote:
Originally Posted by ineedhelpfast
The difference is within the laws that you have to abide by if you wish to remain with in your chosen following often laid down by the elders or another -not the word of GOD- which no book dictates or any man for it will come from the heart you will not need a book to tell you what's right or wrong or good from bad we all of us know the difference which is what we should live by- in my opinion
I Believe there's is a God, The Almighty Father and our Lord Jesus Christ. You are right Not all religion have a true God. There is only one true Chruch which is in the Bible. That God Is true. There Many religion claiming they are Christian but they just pretending.
I agree with your statement regarding the thought that "Don't say that everyones God is the right God", because this is just not realistic regardless of the faith it would take to believe it. There is only one God. He is the Father, Son & Holy Spirit as one being. He is the alpha and omega. In him we live and breathe and have our being. We are made in his image, and our sin separates us from Him physically. We are the only beings made on this earth that have a spirit. The spirit is a part of us given by God that we may commune with Him if we call upon Jesus to forgive our sins so that we may be alive (Born Again) in spirit. This is considered to be a second birth, as all are "dead" in spirit until the renewal that can only come through Grace by forgiveness of sins. To begin to understand God means to understand what it is to be Holy. This can only be understood once the Spirit has been renewed. The Bible says that No one has seen God, No one has seen His face. We cannot comprehend what it must be to be that Holy, because People by nature are born sinful. There can be NO SIN in the presence of God. Something MUST be done to eradicate this sin. If our sin is not forgiven, it simply stays with us, therefore separating & keeping us from enjoying God's future physical relationship with Mankind. Of course there is one catch. One must acknowledge the validity of the Bible and make a conscience decision to believe in faith. This is a personal decision and will never be pushed by God, because he wants people to accept it freely. Be careful though, there are frauds out there. 1John4 says that Only Spirits that acknowledge Jesus is God in the Flesh... is of God. Many false religions claim Jesus as a prophet and do not give His the status of God in the flesh. This is how you divide the deceiving churches.Quote:
Originally Posted by ineedhelpfast
Well I strongly believe that there is a GOD.I believe that because my life tells a story to long to explain and my experience is a testimony in it self.GOD is not only real but he is good and mercy full and forgiving and there when ever you need him. If you don't believe me and want proof id say when you wake up in the morning while you are still laying down in your bed think,who was created first the egg or the chicken?so who created the chicken and the egg that created the chicken and so forth?a higher power>that same higher power that created the whole intier univers.stay in faith ,knock and he will answer, seek and he will show you the answers your looking for.remain in prayer and faith...
I grew up in a catholic family, went to church and attended catholic school for 11 years. I also read the bible 3 times. Last time a couple of years ago. I've always thought the bible was a fiction book written by racists and sexists men. Most of it has no logic whatsoever. I've looked for God, I tried to believe and have faith or find a reason for all the pain and injustice in this world. Where is God when we most need him? Why did he think that women were less than men or despised homosexuality? Why every time I asked a priest, theologian or simple christians about this "incredible" bible facts their answer was "YOU JUST DONT HAVE FAITH". So, basically, I DO NOT believe in God, heaven, hell, angels, adam and eve in paradise, the virginity of Mary or magical resurrections.
I'm so sorry for what you must have went threw to make you feel this way but sweety the worst thing you could possibly do to you self if not believe... GOD LOVES you and wants you to believe so that he can show you his love in every way possible. Just relax sweety and pray that the truth about his love be revealed to you and you'll be just fine...
I promise!GOD is to good for me to have all to myself... stay in faith... :D
You are right to think that, and it's true.Quote:
I've always thought the bible was a fiction book written by racists and sexists men. Most of it has no logic whatsoever.
All that shows though is that God didn't have anything to do with writing the Bible, it really doesn't prove there is no God.
What is god ?
I am sorry if someone within the church has caused you pain. And of course it is not fiction, since it was first written over 1000's of years by dozens of writers and all of these were formed into a book form and divided into chapters and verse by man. And of course the bible does not always give us the answer we want, man wants to do things his way, but there is no racism in the bible at all, in fact it the old testement even has marriage of people of different races. As for as women, women were highly respected and men and women each had their place. As for as homosexuality, yes of course that is a sin and is not acceptable as a natural way for man. And there is a reason for all of the pain, it is in this world and it is because of sin and the evil nature of man. So man is the cause of the evil in this world. God is there when we need him, to help us and give us strengh to make it thoughQuote:
Originally Posted by isabelgopo
GOD AND SLAVERY
Exodus Chapter 21, verse 20:
If a man beats his male or female slave with a rod and the slave dies as a direct result, he must be punished, but he is not to be punished if the slave gets up after a day or two, since the slave is his property.
Leviticus Chapter 25, verse 44:
Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves. You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property. You can will them to your children as inherited property and can make them slaves for life, but you must not rule over your fellow Israelites ruthlessly.
GOD AND WOMEN
We find this in 1 Corinthians chapter 14:
As in all the congregations of the saints, women should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the Law says. If they want to inquire about something, they should ask their own husbands at home; for it is disgraceful for a woman to speak in the church.
Then there is this section from 1 Timothy chapter 2:
Also that women should adorn themselves modestly and sensibly in seemly apparel, not with braided hair or gold or pearls or costly attire but by good deeds, as befits women who profess religion. Let a woman learn in silence with all submissiveness. I permit no woman to teach or to have authority over men; she is to keep silent.
GOD ANSWERING PRAYERS
In Matthew 7:7 Jesus says:
Ask, and it will be given you; seek, and you will find; knock, and it will be opened to you.
The message is reiterated Mark 11:24:
Therefore I tell you, whatever you ask for in prayer, believe that you have received it, and it will be yours.
If "every one who asks receives", then if we ask for cancer to be cured, it should be cured. If "our Father who is in heaven gives good things to those who ask him", then if we ask him to stop AIDS, he should do it. Right? And yet nothing happens.
If you would like additional proof, gather a million faithful believers together into a giant prayer circle. Have them all pray together in Jesus' name that God cures every case of cancer on the planet tomorrow. Pray sincerely, knowing that when God answers this completely heartfelt, unselfish, non-materialistic prayer, it will glorify God and help millions of people in remarkable ways. Now, we certainly have two or more people gathered together, and they have asked in Jesus' name, and we have not one but a million faithful believers who, by definition, have faith and believe. We have fulfilled every one of Jesus' requirements.
Will Jesus answer the prayer now? Of course not. Your prayer will go unanswered, in direct defiance to Jesus' promises in the Bible. In fact, if you pray for anything that is impossible, your prayer will always go unanswered. How weird, because NOTHING is impossible for God.
And finally, one of Christian's all time favorites:
ALL THE EVIL IN THE WORLD IS MEN'S FAULT
Because God made you for a reason, he also decided when you would be born and how long you would live. He planned the days of your life in advance, choosing the exact time of your birth and death. The Bible says, "You saw me before I was born and scheduled each day of my life before I began to breathe. Every day was recorded in your book!" [Psalm 139:16]
If God has a divine plan for each of us, then he had a divine plan for Hitler too. It is when you stop to think about it deeply and the contradictions hit you.
Now let's imagine that you say a prayer . What difference does it make? God has his plan, and that plan is running down its track like a freight train. If God has a plan, then everyone who died in the Holocaust died for a reason. They had to die, and each death had meaning. Therefore, Holocaust victims could pray all day, and they would still die. The idea of a "plan" makes the idea of a "prayer-answering relationship with God" a contradiction, doesn't it? Yet Christians seem to attach themselves to both ideas, despite the irresolvable problem the two ideas create.
Christians serve the right GOD. All these other "gods" were created by the devil to distract and decieve people.Quote:
Originally Posted by ineedhelpfast
I know you're a preacher/priest/father(not sure which one) and I respect that, but when you make statements like this you come off looking like you have never read the Bible. It's true there were some mixed marriages but there was a lot said against it in the OT. Even the NT crucifixion story is antisemitic and the cause of a lot of hate towards the Jews throughout the years.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fr_Chuck
Women were not respected at all in the Bible, and they still aren't throughout the middle east.
GOD knows our future but everyone has free will... HE knows the choices we will make before we make them. If you knew what would happen before it happened wouldn't you plan for it!! He doesn't make anyone do wrong or right. GOD loves us and it is his will that no man perish but have eternal life in Heaven.Quote:
Originally Posted by isabelgopo
A favorite Christian rationalization for why God does not answer our prayer to eliminate cancer is because "it would take away free will." The logic: If you pray and God answers your prayer, then God would have revealed himself to you, and you would know that God exists. That would take away your free will to believe in him. Of course, if this is true, then by default all of Jesus' statements about prayer in the Bible are false. It means that God cannot answer any prayer. Also, why is a God who must remain hidden like this incarnating himself and writing the Bible?
If Jesus is God, and if God is perfect, why aren't all of Jesus's verses about prayer true? Was Jesus exaggerating? If Jesus is perfect, why wouldn't he speak the truth? Why doesn't a prayer to cure cancer worldwide tomorrow work?
Believers have many different ways to explain why all these verses in the Bible do not work, even if you are praying sincerely, unselfishly and non-materialistically, and even if the answer to your prayer would help millions of people and glorify God in the process. They will say things like this:
"You need to understand what Jesus was saying in the context the first century civilization in which he was speaking..."
Or:
"When Jesus talked about 'moving a mountain', he was speaking metaphorically. When someone says, 'it is raining cats and dogs,' no one takes him literally. Jesus was using a figure of speech rather than speaking literally..."
Or:
God is not a thing. He is a being. He has a will. He has desires. He relates to people. He has personality traits. Prayer is a fancy word for talking to God. God, who knows everything, even before we say it, knows the difference between our thoughts and wishes, and when we are actually addressing him. He hears our prayers and responds. His responses are based on his personal decisions. We cannot predict how he will respond to our prayers...
The problem is, all of these rationalizations miss two important points:
1. God is supposed to be an all-powerful, all-knowing, perfect being.
2. The statement, "Nothing will be impossible for you", along with the other Bible verses quoted above, are false. The fact is, lots of things are impossible for you.
If a perfect being is going to make statements about how prayer works in the Bible, then three things are certain: 1) He would speak clearly, 2) he would say what he means, and 3) he would speak the truth. That is what "being perfect" is all about. A perfect, all-knowing God would know that people would be reading the Bible 2,000 years later, and therefore he would not use first-century idioms (he would say what he means). He would know that normal people will be reading the Bible and interpreting it in normal ways, so he would speak in such a way as to avoid mis-interpretation (he would speak clearly). He would know that when you say, "Nothing will be impossible for you", that what it means is, "Nothing will be impossible for you" and he would make sure that the statement "Nothing will be impossible for you" is accurate (he would speak the truth). If God says it, it should be true -- otherwise he is not perfect.
Unfortunately, the fact is that thousands of things are impossible for you no matter how much you pray, and no one (including Jesus) has ever moved a mountain.
In order to see the truth, you need to accept the fact that all of the above verses are wrong. The fact is, God does not answer prayers. The reason why God does not answer your prayers is simple: God does not exist.
And what makes your god better that the other gods?Quote:
Originally Posted by Nicole82
Yes as long as you believe things are impossibe for you, they will be, that is why there is much more healing among those who are not as "educated" in to what God can't do. There are of course restrictions, we can not bring on the end of the world, that is God the Fathers that has that knowledge alone. We can not make something happen that isnot within Gods will, or that is against Gods law.
As one who has saw instant healing of many things, and other miricles, no, all things are possible, if they are first God's will and second if there is faith for it. With this we also know that all evil in the world is here because of man and his nature. The earth is not the home for the chistian, we are stangers here merely passing though. The earth is not christian and has not been since the fall of man,
So the reason God does not answer pray, the reason is he does, but often you don't want to hear the answer. First it is a season for all to live, we are born to die, so we though prayer can not stop death.
I am sorry you have not the faith to believe and see the wonders God has for you and for all beleivers.
Believers of other Gods and religions say and believe the same thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nicole82
The day we begin to understand that there are bigger things than ourselves and our individual selfish needs is the day we can begin to understand the concept behind prayer. We are to pray according to God's will, and not ours. There is a reason for unanswered prayer that is beyond human comprehension. No one but God can know the "Domino affect" that a selfish prayer could cause, even if prayed with the best intentions. No one on this earth is that wise. Take for instance the concept of spraying pesticides on food with the intention of having greater harvests. Take for instance the injection of steroids in traditional poultry and cows. These are but a couple of examples of how man's decisions are the cause of disease in today's society. Ultimately the root of all evil revolves around money in one way shape or form. You just have to find the path that leads to its cause and you'll find it. People pray for cures to a disease at the very same time we are contributing to the sin. It is quite ironic actually. There are things that need to come to pass in this world for a greater reason than most can begin to understand. It is this reason that we as Christians are called to find those root causes and give our sin over to God as we realize it in our lives. The only way that one can begin to understand this Wisdom is to ask for that Wisdom which ultimately belongs to God. This happens when you ask God/Jesus/Holy Spirit to live in your heart by admitting that you are a sinner and repenting from our sin to allow our bodily vessel to become a "Temple of this Spirit". No one can begin to understand Wisdom until you are spiritually awakened (Born Again). It is then that your spiritual blindness will be lifted to understand unanswered prayer. The problem with this is how do you accept a Savior in your life unless you acknowledge and recognize that you need one. Until this happens in a person's life, they are doomed to walk through life without hope and complete emptiness. Life is not without hope, unless you choose it to be so.Quote:
Originally Posted by isabelgopo
I do not understand the immediate correlation between the belief in God, spirituality and plain old good humanity and the Bible. If humankind were eradicated tomorrow and 2000 years from now the new inhabitants( be it humanform or other) found a large collection of Stephen King books would they base their entire belief system on a Clown called 'IT' that only comes to life when you bury it in the 'Pet cemetery ? I consider myself spiritual because I am not egotistical enough to think humans are the best there is. Do you? Anyone here a Star Trek fan? I am not but I do recall the Borg and the premise to their race. Is it not possible that God is the collective conscience of every living creature on Earth? I do not know if I believe that but the point is until you can prove it wrong then who are you to tell me different? Even if you do prove it wrong then (more emphatically) who are you try to change anything about the way I think as long as it doesn't affect you. Here is an idea World... stop pushing your own beliefs on others regardless of what they might be. I can think of at least one war that may stop.
... stop pushing your own beliefs on others regardless of what they might be. I can think of at least one war that may stop.[/QUOTE]
I totally agree
What's the point then?Quote:
We are to pray according to God's will, and not ours.
This debate is really not my cup of tea, but I was just wondering why people would have to make excuses for God not answering prayers when the Bible clearly says "ask and you shall receive"
God always answers prayer (sometimes not the way the pray-er would like the answer to be).Quote:
Originally Posted by Onan
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Originally Posted by Wondergirl
How do you know that god always answer prayers? Just curious...
For me I cannot believe in a god(s) as any god(s) which would create this world are at best disinterested and at worst evil. Why would a loving god create a creature that's sole purpose in life is to bury itself into a child's eye?
Also what have suffers of genetic diseases such as Epidermolysis bullosa simplex (EBS) skin blistering they are in pain fro the moment they are born, Xeroderma pigmentosa another painful one ultra sensitivity to light and Fibrodysplasia Ossificans Progressiva bone grows in place of normal tissue upon injury and the child (they don't live much longer) is imprisoned and suffocated.
That's just three horrendous genetic diseases that exist off the top of my head there are many more. Now what has that got to do with free will. If it about testing believers why do they happen equally to people able to hear 'god's word' and those who can never?
That is pretty much the crux of my atheism.
I haven't posted links to the picture but a quick Google image search will show the horror of these conditions.
There is only one GOD who has created everything and this life is a test for the hereafter, if we follow almighty God's commands and we pass the test then we are rewarded with eternity in heaven where we will get anything that we ask for, if you compare this to illnesses some people have to suffer in this life, then this is nothing compared to eternal bliss, it may be that the person who suffers with patience in this life with illnesses/health probs/financial problems and puts all hi strust in ALMIGHTY GOD will go to paradise without any reckoning whereas other people may have to go to hellfire for a short time to be cleansed, before ebntering heaven, this is what we believe as muslims, our instruction manual in this life is the QURAN, the words of our cREATOR, read it and save yourselves, any questions email me at [email protected]
Gods are created by the people who need them.
So who created the people?
Nobody? Yeah, Nobody.Quote:
Originally Posted by readnow1978
Exactly!!Quote:
Originally Posted by squeaks77
Originally Posted by readnow1978
So who created the people?
EVOLUTION has created us
My answer to your first question, is no. Which means I have no need for an answer your 2nd question, right?Quote:
Originally Posted by ineedhelpfast
How fortunate for you that you happened to have been born into the Christian religion and not Islam, Hinduism, or some other. Seriously, good job!Quote:
Originally Posted by addaddadd
Who created evolution? Where did it begin?Quote:
Originally Posted by isabelgopo
Quite the contarary. God Created you. You just don't need Him.. . for now at least.Quote:
Originally Posted by squeaks77
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