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I'm just curious how many intelligent Christians would ever consider supporting an atheist for US president. What about other public offices, such as the senate? Would credentials matter? Or would a candidate's lack of faith in a supreme being preclude you voting for him/her regardless of qualifications? Thanks.
Why not running the government has nothing to do with religion
Well to me many already do, since while some proclaim to be, with their support of some issues they can not really be one.
But it is their stand on issues, many of which are moral, but also include protection of America, giving back states rights, abortion, and other issues. But often the idea of issues and moral values are one and the same.
Post moved to religioius discussion since this is not really just a Christian issue but a religious issue
The leaders of the USSR, China, N. Korea, & Cuba were/are all Atheists. Not a very good recommendation.
while this is true, we have to look at their ability to lead, not just there religion. Because there are some christians who I would definitely not want to be president, the same goes for the person who shares my beliefs. It is matter of how they can lead and how they have led.Quote:
Originally Posted by Galveston1
Atheism is the official religion of Communism. It is a religion that viciously oppresses ALL other religions, calling them the "opiate of the masses". It is the religion that will not tolerate the mention of any other religion in the classroom in this country. I certainly do not want one of them anywhere near authority if it can be helped.
I can't even think of anyone to vote for, this certainly isn't the first time either. I need to pray, pray and pray some more before I vote for anyone.
Hate to be so negative, but I haven't seen a politician yet who won't lie to get the votes, and lying is a sin just like any other sin. But everyone sins. But if I knew they were an
atheist, I would never vote for them, never.
The leader of the US is a Christian. Not a very good recommendation.Quote:
Originally Posted by Galveston1
Robert Mugabe is a Catholic.
So was Hitler!
So if you had someone who was christian but what he could do for you and your country was nothing you would rather vote for him than someone who clearly does not believe in god
No. Religion isn't a factor to me. I was merely responding to galveston's response regarding atheists.Quote:
Originally Posted by nicki143
I think an atheist president might be the best thing for this country but it would have to be the right person. Think about it - by being an atheist, the president would not be concerned with making a decision that goes against the church, but rather would make his/her decisions in the best interest of the people and the country. By removing religion, decisions and policies are made on merit, usefulness and evidence instead of emotion. It's much more objective. It takes out any and all legislation made on the basis of "Because the bible says so", which, considering we don't all follow the bible, seems (to me) to be more fair. It levels the playing field, so to speak.
Atheism isn't about oppressing other religions. That's dictatorship/fascism. An atheist doesn't give two poops what religion you practice, he just doesn't believe there is a god.Quote:
Originally Posted by Galveston1
Exactly! If an atheist was president, that's what he/she would do, try to remove religion.Quote:
Originally Posted by jillianleab
Christians would probably end up in concentration camps!
Oh bull.Quote:
Originally Posted by Donna Mae
And excuse me, but I don't appreciate you adding "By removing religion" to the bottom of my post and thus taking it out of context.
Religion doesn't belong in the government, but that's not to say the people being governed can't freely and openly practice their respective religion.
Atheists don't hate religion, and most don't hate Christians. The situation you've imagined is ridiculous and an insult. You apparently know nothing about atheists or the general opinions atheists have on freedoms and society.
I think Christians really really don't believe in god but are too afraid to admit it! See how rude that is?
Quit fearmongering and trying to pick a fight. It's rude.
Read, "I think I've got it figured out." Posted by Michaelb, in Religious Discussions.
I hope I would never make fun of and downgrade any of the atheist on there, like you all did by making fun of God and Christians. Seems like you all had a lot of fun at God's and Christians expense. Now, how rude is that?
I did read that thread, and I also read the post where he explained why he started that thread. It wasn't to make fun of Christians or god, it was to illustrate a point. If you take issue with a thread that someone else (not me) started, perhaps you should bring it up to them and leave me out of it.
And perhaps you don't realize that you denigrated atheists on this very board when you stated if an atheist were president, all Christians would be in concentration camps. You equated us with Nazis - I don't think it's possible to be more rude than that.
I'd like to point out as the supreme being of my own religion, I am not an atheist.Quote:
Originally Posted by Donna Mae
How dare I try to spark a discussion from a different point of view. The shame I have brought to a clan of atheists. I should have known that it is rude on a general knowledge and opinion website to even speak of the possibility of a different god. Perhaps you should burn me at the stake or have your god send bears to eat my children or maybe send the spanish inquisition after me. That would teach me to exorcise my right to free speech.
Atheist president has my vote if he agrees with me on issues of course.
Jillianleab--I do apologize if I was rude, but I do have a right to my own opinions, just as you do. And to be precise I did not say "all Christians would be in concentration camps." I said they would probably end up there. That is my opinion.
And I also did not say that Michaelb started the thread to make fun of God or Christians, it was the ones answering who seem to think there is nothing wrong with making fun of God, and I think that is rude.
Michaelb- I must point out this is not directed at you, just to some of the comments on your thread. Sorry.
If a Christian doesn't stand up for Jesus and other Christians, who will. I'm sure from what I have been reading, it won't be Atheists.
Just a few comments I have read:
-The life of Jesus is a fairy tale like Cinderella.
-... your wasting time worshiping something that doesn't exist.
-... what I know about God, HE DOESN'T EXIST.
-... religious whackos
-I knew the Bible was just rubbish.
-It's all brainwashing.
Now I think this is all very rude.
Some people on here are asking 'real' questions about God and Christ, and when they are met with mean spirited answers like these, I get a little angry. I think all Christians have a right to get angry when atheist come to forums about Christianity, and do there best to turn these people away from God.
That's rude!
I never said you couldn't have your opinions, but there are ways of expressing your opinion without being rude and inflammatory. You've still equated atheists with Nazis - the pinnacle of rudeness. If you truly, honestly believe atheists would put theists in concentration camps if they were in power, I don't know what to say other than I feel you are wrong. I don't know a single atheist who would do such a thing or violate someone's rights in that way. But I do know of a former leader of the US who is a Christian who thinks atheists should not be citizens:Quote:
Originally Posted by Donna Mae
No, I don't know that Atheists should be considered as citizens, nor should they be considered patriots. This is one nation under God -- George Bush Sr.
Now who is devaluing who?
Of course it won't be atheists - do many (or any) Christians stand up for atheists? Or Jews? Or Muslims?Quote:
If a Christian doesn't stand up for Jesus and other Christians, who will. I'm sure from what I have been reading, it won't be Atheists.
Now that this board has started a "Religious Discussions" area, where controversial subjects may be discussed, I try to stay out of the Christianity forum (and I think I've been successful in doing so). I agree with you, it's not right for someone to post anti-Christian messages when someone is asking a "real" question about god, and there is nothing wrong with you standing up for what you believe in. But there is something wrong with equating a group of people with perhaps the most evil of all groups - Nazis, and doing so because you clearly don't understand much about atheism. You might want to read this thread: https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/spirit...tml#post517300 to gain a better understanding of how most atheists believe and conduct themselves. I hope after reading it you will change your opinion that we would condemn theists to concentration camps.Quote:
Just a few comments I have read:
-The life of Jesus is a fairy tale like Cinderella.
-... your wasting time worshiping something that doesn't exist.
-... what I know about God, HE DOESN'T EXIST.
-... religious whackos
-I knew the Bible was just rubbish.
-It's all brainwashing.
Now I think this is all very rude.
Some people on here are asking 'real' questions about God and Christ, and when they are met with mean spirited answers like these, I get a little angry. I think all Christians have a right to get angry when atheist come to forums about Christianity, and do there best to turn these people away from God.
That's rude!
I am sorry about the concentration camp remark. It was uncalled for. I just get angry at the anti-Christian remarks that are being used to turn people away from God.
I think you can understand how frustrating it gets when people post on threads that they really shouldn't be posting on. This post is from the thread you suggested I might read to better understand how most atheists believe.
It is directed at a Christian: "This thread is not about YOUR beliefs, this is not the place to argue why Christianity is the "way" the "truth" or whatever. This thread was started to find out WHY atheists believe what they do and what they in fact, believe."
I am glad to see that you understand what I am talking about. So many times atheists have come to Christian threads to profess that God does not exist. Just because they don't believe in Him, doesn't mean that He does not exist. I see this as atheists trying to push their beliefs on to those searching for God, when they should be on threads like the one you suggested and anyone looking for nothing, could go there.
Oh, and you can't blame me for either Bush, I had nothing to do with that!
The thing you must remember, Donna is that this is a public site - all are welcome. So while it might be rude for someone of another faith to post in one area or another, they have as much right to be there as anyone else. And it's only rude for them to post if they post rude remarks; if I go to the Christianity board and tell someone struggling with their faith "I hope you find what it is you are looking for" that's not rude or uncalled for. There are trolls and antagonizers of any, all, and no religion. It's best when you find one to add them to your "ignore" list. It's one of my favorite features of this site...
I'm not sure if this is true or not but wasn't President Lincoln a non-religious person? I have read that he used the bible scriptures for moral references in speeches and often discussed religion when referring to the war but did not claim to believe in a higher power.
I myself being a non-believer, agree with Jillianleab's first comment about how an atheist president would not try and mix religion with the government. Makes sense to me. I vote for whoever I think can do the job the best. That's all that matters to me.
The real issue is that people want their elected officials to pass laws that "THEY" want. That is why we have lobby groups for and against guns, for and against abortion, for and against pit bulls, and so on. We have groups that advoce almost anything one can think of and a few I could not even think of.
So when I vote I want to have elected someone that will follow MY ideas. And I form with others with my similar view points.
Now if the atheist was pro life, and was against laws restricting religion, and for a simple straight tax or some better tax system, I would have no problem,
So it is the issue I prefer to see done, that they at leat promise to do that is my voting issues.
I can't understand why people try so hard to discredit the founding father's of this country.
The schools barely teach history anymore and it seems that when they do it's to teach our children that the founding father's didn't believe in God. What a lie. This country was founded on God.
Well said Chuck!Quote:
Originally Posted by Fr_Chuck
How is saying that Lincoln didn't believe in God discredited him in any way? Not everyone that came to America believed in God. Some wanted to get away from tyrants that forced religious beliefs on them. Oh, and I didn't learn this about Lincoln from school. I have read it in numerous biographies about him because he is my favorite president to learn about. :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Donna Mae
What about the dumb christians? You don't care about their opinion?Quote:
Originally Posted by lobrobster
I would NOT support a president who didn't believe in God. If the country was run based on the principles on the Bible then we would be far better off.
But it is and you aren't.Quote:
Originally Posted by gbcecil
Regardless of religion If the person running for office can do the job I would vote for that person. And didn't the founding fathers basically say "freedom of religion" that says to me I can believe anything I want to. Not what the government wants me to believe.
I agree with spit --As a lifelong Christian, I don't care whether he or she has a religion (Christian or not) or no religion... as long as the president is fair and moral and upholds the Constitution. Many of the founding fathers were deists, and that's not a Christian's version of who God is. And yes, they definitely wanted to prevent a national, government-sponsored religion.Quote:
Originally Posted by spitvenom
Wondergirl and spitvenom :
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Accordingly to the US Constitution the religion of the President should be something important only to the President, as the Constitution clearly describes full Separation of Church and State.
The reality is of course that many actions and decisions of the President are related to the religious preference of the President and/or of the political pressure groups that helped the President into the White House.
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:rolleyes:
Can you give reasons you feel this is true?Quote:
Originally Posted by Donna Mae
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Originally Posted by lobrobster
I believe True Christian will not vote an atheist for president. According to the bible people who are not believe in God are fools and doers of abomination. In the Dollar Bill there's a phare "In God we Trust", If an atheist president of USA he might change it into "theres is no god". Pity country.
It wouldn't make any difference as long as he had the relevant qualifications to do the job IQuote:
Originally Posted by lobrobster
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