Hello Christians:

An 11-year-old Wisconsin girl grew deathly ill recently while her parents prayed for her recovery. They weren't in a hospital. They weren't in an emergency room. They were in their home. Although the girl had probably, for at least a month, shown symptoms such vomiting, nausea and extreme thirst — all signs of a diabetic condition — they refused to call a doctor.

"We stayed fast in prayer," the mother told the media. "We believed that she would recover."

Instead, the girl died.

Can you show me where in the Bible it says that doctors are evil, a heathen concept, an insult to your faith? Until then, these cases of adults allowing children to suffer — in some cases, die — in the name of true believing is nothing more than killing while on your knees.

excon

A sad, sad story. I saw it.

The actions (lack of action) of those parents is not Christian, period. KKK Members claim to be Christian too.

Neither KKK members nor parents who fail to give proper medical care to their children are not Christians even if they say they are.

It doesn't make sense to me. I've never been able to understand how "Christian" parents could prevent their children from receiving proper medical attention. Innocent children die needlessly. These children should be protected from their parents' religious beliefs until they are of legal age to decide for themselves what THEIR OWN religious beliefs are.

I agree with you excon.

Read my thread I posted about this disturbing news.

https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/other-...se-199226.html

These people are idiots
Jesus considered doctors his intructors.

And it came to pass, that after three days they found him in the temple, sitting in the midst of the doctors, both hearing them, and asking them questions.Luke 2-46

However ;in the cases in the bible where physicians are called upon to heal they do not get the job done ;especially in the OT see the story of Job . Also let's not forget that healing in those days was often performed by the clerics .

However that was then and this is now . They were acting criminally negliigent and should be treated as such. </SPAN>

Hello again:

I don't mean to paint all Christians with this broad brush, and I'm glad you're speaking out.

There's an old story that goes something like this: A fisherman is drowning. He prays to God to save him. A boat comes and offers him a rope. "No, God will save me," he says. Another boat comes. "God will save me," he repeats. A third boat. Same thing. Finally, he drowns.

When he gets to heaven, he's upset. He asks God, "Why didn't you save me?" And God says, "I sent you three boats."

excon

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Originally Posted by excon

Hello again:

I don't mean to paint all Christians with this broad brush, and I'm glad you're speaking out.

There's an old story that goes something like this: A fisherman is drowning. He prays to God to save him. A boat comes and offers him a rope. "No, God will save me," he says. Another boat comes. "God will save me," he repeats. A third boat. Same thing. Finally, he drowns.

When he gets to heaven, he's upset. He asks God, "Why didn't you save me?" And God says, "I sent you three boats."

excon

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Excon,
I love that story, and what a great analogy. No where in the bible does it say doctors are bad or you shouldn't seek medical attention.

God gives doctors the ability to help people.
Prayer is wonderful.
Pray for God to give you the doctor that will be able to help you.
God is doing the healing through prayer and through doctors.

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Originally Posted by excon

Hello again:

I don't mean to paint all Christians with this broad brush, and I'm glad you're speaking out.

There's an old story that goes something like this: A fisherman is drowning. He prays to God to save him. A boat comes and offers him a rope. "No, God will save me," he says. Another boat comes. "God will save me," he repeats. A third boat. Same thing. Finally, he drowns.

When he gets to heaven, he's upset. He asks God, "Why didn't you save me?" And God says, "I sent you three boats."

excon

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First time I ever heard that. It was great

I feel everything happens for a reason and only God above knows what those reasons are. There are Doctors here for a purpose and if they were not suppost to be used, why are they here. Children look up to their parents for survival and agree with last answer, Pray for the right Dr and it will be answered.

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Originally Posted by Donna Mae

God is doing the healing through prayer and through doctors.

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That might explain why some doctors act like God.

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Originally Posted by excon

Hello Christians:

An 11-year-old Wisconsin girl grew deathly ill recently while her parents prayed for her recovery. They weren't in a hospital. They weren't in an emergency room. They were in their home. Although the girl had probably, for at least a month, shown symptoms such vomiting, nausea and extreme thirst — all signs of a diabetic condition — they refused to call a doctor.

"We stayed fast in prayer," the mother told the media. "We believed that she would recover."

Instead, the girl died.

Can you show me where in the Bible it says that doctors are evil, a heathen concept, an insult to your faith? Until then, these cases of adults allowing children to suffer — in some cases, die — in the name of true believing is nothing more than killing while on your knees.

excon

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Hi ex
People who take " religion to the letter" makes me extremely angry especially when a life is at risk. Why on earth do they think the good guy upstairs gave us a brain, it was so we could learn and absorb the knowledge we need to sustain life.

This reminds me of a similar incident many years ago yet again down to religious believes where a family needed to give permission for their four year old to have a blood transfusion that would save his life, they also said the lord will cure him but sadley he died, they were our next door neighbours at the time and I was very young but it is still imprinted in my mind he was a lovely little child and we all used to play together, we then moved and never saw the family again, it was very sad.

This I cannot understand no matter which way it is dressed up, what is the point in providing medications to cure people if they are turned down. I know some peoples believes are some what different to my own and I respect that but surely anyone would move heaven and earth to save a child or any other human being if it was in their power to do so,I know I would. What a wonderful gift to have the knowledge to save a life, which of course in my opinion is how it's suppose to be

I feel for this entire situation. Even the parents. Their minds and hearts are in some kind of tunnel, that has indicated to them that this is the way... the only way.. So heartbreaking.

No ex, you can not paint all Christians with the same brush that's for sure. Many of the threads on here should indicate that.

God has blessed each individual with talents... Doctors, nurses, singers, plumbers, you name it.

My prayers are with this family, and Bless their souls, their minds and hearts and beliefs are in a place that is so unrecognizable to us.

God will shine on all of them.

I don't understand this way of thinking, but when you are taught something from knee high on up, over and over, it becomes a true belief for you.

I don't dare fault these parents, of course, I don't agree, but I just am not in the "place" where they are.

May all have some sort of peace someday - and may their parents eyes and hearts open to the fact, that God blesses each of us, so we can then help each other, with the gifts we are given.

Just hearbreaking.

If you truly believe that when you die you go to a better place. Why would you prevent your child from going to a better place. If I knew I could send my child to a paradise even if I could not go with them, I would do it. That's why I think Christians that seek medical attention for themselves but then preach about how good heaven is when you die are hypocrites. Why would you actively delay going to paradise? Unless of course you don't believe your own rhetoric.

I have heard the leaving your child die and go to heaven argument but I do not think Michealb or the JW's are right to leave the door open for your child to die like that.
That is like the people who practice putting their arm in a snake pit and if they get bit and die it was God's will. If you are not suppose to do what is needed to preserve life then all Christians should be killing off their kids so they do not delay going to paradise. Maybe they should be the pro abortionists!
Why did Jesus heal the sick if you are just suppose to leave them to die so they can get to paradise quicker.
Misguided is all I can say!

Hi NOhelp

Yes I can see your point, after all the medication was there to save this child, there is a choice as to whether it is accepted or not.

I do not say this lightly as my son went through an identical situation and he almost died had it not been for the emergency services and the immediate diagnosis of Diabetis.
It was still touch and go but I thank god for the hospitals quick response and the fact that the knowledge of insulin had been discovered to save my son's life.

This is what I have said before in previous posts, I believe that cures for various conditions are there for us to study and use for all who need them, I just wish that there was a cure for every other serious condition which could benefit everyone world wide.

MY heart goes out to this family and others like them for they truly believe what they are doing is right- like we all do- maybe they still do I don't know, perhaps they think that this was meant to be for what ever the reason.As I have said I was in the same situation and I would have given my own life so's my son could have lived if necessary, that's what you do when it's your kids, don't you!.

I hope that there faith supports them and keeps them strong for they are obviously extremley devoted which is to be commended but I will never understand.

Out right killing your kid would be a sin because thou shall not kill is a commandment. (Although some Christians have reasoned that it was okay to kill their children while they were innocent to make sure they go to heaven even if it means the parent goes to hell) There isn't a commandment that says you should cure the sick though. If god created everything then everything is god's will. If you believe everything is god's will then if god wishes to call you back to heaven, who are you to deny his will. Why would you want to? If when you die you go to a paradise why would do anything to delay going to paradise? When I get plane tickets to the Caribbean I don't get to the airport and turn around because I want to go back to work. So when Christians are given a ticket to heaven if you believe your own rhetoric why not get on the plane?

To me, holding back on getting a child medical help is the same as killing because it could very well have saved the child's life. By withholding treatment it is participating in their death just as much as Jack Koverkian assisting the elderly in dying. Jack Koverkian I would even have to agree with his mercy killings more so because they have lived their life and gave their consent whereas these children are at the mercy of their parents deciding to let them die.

There is no way that this would be God's will.

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There is no way that this would be God's will.

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It may not have been his will, but the fact the girl died says he didn't care. An all powerful god who doesn't prevent this from happening makes him just as responsible for the death as the parent/s.