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homosexual life style is not listed anywhere. And they enjoy every right everyone else has,

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Except to marry and get a tax break. Personally, if they want the headache of divorce, let 'em get married, since that's where half the marriages end up anyway.

I'm still trying to figure out this "homosexual lifestyle" that's being throw around. Is that the same as living together, making babies, and NOT being married?

Be careful of your answer as I know where there are endless amounts of posts about the "lifestyles of heterosexuals".

I also think eventually, as with every other group who wants equality, they will fight for, and win what they want.

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Originally Posted by Kia

yea... umm... but homosexuality is not genteic in 98% of the cases. I can't say 100% because just like there are hermaphrodites, people born with deformities, and other rare instances, there are natural born homosexuals. But, the masses who claim they are were not born this way. They had childood trauma that affected them subconsciously, or consciously; they want to experiment or be rebellious; or they are so bitter with one sex that they decide to try something new.

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That's an age old excuse to rationalise not having empathy, "its all their fault". As to the part of the post that's been highlighted, are you serious??

All of them claim it is " natural"
I take my experience from playing women's basketball for over 10 years in college and high school. I used to believe it was natural too until I watched my fellow teammates and roomates go from one extreme to another , and then claim after the fact that they were always like that. Every single year there a were always new freshman who would come in straight as an arrow( talking about boyfriends and all that). Then they would end up hanging out with the crowd who everyone knew were bi or gay, talkin' about how they do not discriminate, and a few months later have a new GIRLFRIEND. It was bull. Then they claimed they were always lesbian.

I had 2 roommates who started college the same year as I did. They were straight when we started playing but changed later on. After talking to them more often they told me the real story. One of them liked guys, but the guys she liked never wanted her( treated her like one of the boys), and when she started at our particular school all these women started telling her how pretty she was so she started hanging out with them more often. She said her self confidence was boosted. Then she moved to the gay crowd, and said she loved being gay & didn't want to go back. She said she doesn't really look at men like that anymore. If you met her today, you would never believe that she EVER liked a man. She was real flamboyant, tough & rebellious against anyone telling her what to do. Always focusing on her "rights" as a human being to do whatever she wants to.

The other one slept around with a lot of men and got heartbroken while in our 2 and year when I was here roommate. She started hanging out with " the crowd"; sudenly all types of butch gay chicks were always in my room. I had to leave 1/2 the time. She told me women understood women's emotions more & she liked to use strapons with them. But she claimed to be bi.

These were some of the converations I had, and they used to tell me stories about their friends who were gay as well. I have a couple other stories , to share from playing AAU & high school ball, but but I won't write all of that today.

That's when I stopped believing that being gay is "natural", its not. There's always a reason... and if you dig deep enough you will find one almost 100% of the time.

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Originally Posted by Kia

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yes i do. i did say that. I said that I'm not asking the state to validate my behavior. Your argument is a liitle silly..but ok. I'm not asking the state to validate my sexual behavior so its different

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Hello again, Kia:

If you are married, and you take advantage of the rights bestowed upon you by the state, then you are INDEED asking the state to validate your behavior.

But you DO recognize that a penis fits nicely into a mouth, and that's OK to do that, even though your mouth wasn't designed that way. So, your "design" argument is out the window, right??

Nahhh, I think you're just a hypocrite.

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It was bull. Then they claimed they were always lesbian.

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Given the attitudes of people against gays, wouldn't you keep it to yourself to fit in and not be singled out for ridicule? Many that were in the closet are coming out, and just being themselves. In humans homosexuality is not as cut and dried as we think, as there are varying degrees of sexuality, that others refuse to recognize.

Speaking of nature, there are many species that are asexual, yet reproduce, and there are those that actually changes sex, to propagate the species, so nature finds a way, whether us humans understand it, or not.

Nooooo excon. Is the mouth designed to birth babies? Is the rectal area not designed to relieve waste? Duh.

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nooooo excon. Is the mouth designed to birth babies? Is the rectal area not designed to relieve waste? duh.

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I really, truly hope that you only have sex to have babies, then. Seriously--if that's your argument, I never, EVER want to see a question about you getting pleasure from sex, or about birth control.

Because sex is for babies ONLY--in your opinion.

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Originally Posted by Kia

yea... umm... but homosexuality is not genteic in 98% of the cases. I can't say 100% because just like there are hermaphrodites, people born with deformities, and other rare instances, there are natural born homosexuals. But, the masses who claim they are were not born this way. They had childood trauma that affected them subconsciously, or consciously; they want to experiment or be rebellious; or they are so bitter with one sex that they decide to try something new.

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Hmmm I guess I should ask Aunt Donna about this. She never had any childhood trauma nor was she burned by the opposite sex. In fact her ex husband and her are extremely close, best friends really. She just could not live the lie anymore. She had to be who she is. Now she wants rights like she had when she was married.

Can you please point me to that study. Thank you

Edit: Excon, Tal and Synn: RIGHT ON

No. I don't think it is natural and it is hard for me not to tell you why without referring to the Bible. My cousin is gay and I love her dearly she is so much fun to be with. I just think the lifestyle is wrong in God's eyes. I wouldn't hate someone because of it nor do I believe God does.

Like I said a lot of people don't admit what they have gone through in childhood, don't remember, or were to young to realize what they were exposed to. There are a lot of situations where a seed ( molestation, hanging around other family members, etc.) was planted in a child's mind when children are very young and they grow up with feelings they can't explain. Then they grow up thinking they were " born" that way, when that wasn't really the case.

At least ancient man had his own survival to worry about henceforth his stance against gay people, but we no longer have that excuse.

A very disturbing thought has just crossed my mind, are me and my wife wrong for still enjoying sex with each other. Trust me we ain't looking for no more kids, more grandkids would be okay though, we're going for a baseball team.

Some one please let me know as its Friday night.

Everyone knows sex was obvously made by God for procreation. Let's not deny this; the pleasure part is an add on. Sex in the world JUST for pleasure. Humans do it for pleasure and enjoyment, but it was not created for this purpose alone.

Not everyone knows that "god" put it there. As a matter of fact, MY goddess doesn't give a damn who's having sex with whom, as long as people treat each other well, cause no harm and do not take away the free will of others. But hey--YOU brought gods into this, not me. Your god means nothing to me, nor do his "rules". So... I should have to live by YOUR religion's rules, is that what you're telling me? And homosexuals, as well, should live by YOUR religion's rules? Who died and made YOUR religion boss? I thought there was SEPARATION of church and state in this country!

By making sex pleasurable, nature did indeed ensure that species would WANT to procreate--but take a gander into Adult Sexuality sometime and count how many posts a month we have from women who can't orgasm. And really, the woman doesn't NEED to orgasm (or even enjoy sex) for procreation to take place. Ask the pregnant victim of a rape about that.

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Sorry to burst your bubble Notmyname, that would defenately make you a lesbian. ;)
Dont lie to yourself.

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(Sassy was responding to me saying that I like anal and am bi-curious, haven't even tried)
Wow, my boyfriend will be so dissapointed to find that out.
Sassy, don't be a pawn.

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(Sassy was responding to me saying that I like anal and am bi-curious, haven't even tried)
Wow, my boyfriend will be so dissapointed to find that out.
Sassy, don't be a pawn.

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bi-curious, lesbian, homosexual, bisexual, try-sexual = Gay

Well u guys can live in a fantasy world where there is a separation of church and state, but the reality is that religion plays a major part in this country; like it or not. So all you guys can kick and scream because things are not "fair", but taxes aren't fair either... so deal with it..
Also, I would be afraid to have some of you in charge of the laws because there would be no standards, gays, bi-sexuals, transsexuals, animal lovers, polygamists, etc. would all be okay and have lawful rights to marriage as long as they are "consenting" adults.
There really have to be some standards, and this is just one of them. If you don't like it... move to a country where gay marriage is legal, period.

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Originally Posted by Kia

If you don't like it...move to a country where gay marraige is legal, period.

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No thanks, I like my progressive country. How about YOU move because YOU don't like the CHANGES that are taking place? There are countries where it's illegal to be gay, you know. Maybe you can volunteer to round all the gays in that country up and "dispose" of them.

Prayers to Gods and goddessess, human sacrifice, anything goes right?

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prayers to Gods and goddessess, human sacrifice, anything goes right?

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How sadly uninformed you are.

I know of NO religion that practices human sacrifice--what part of "harm none" and "free will" didn't you catch there?

As far as religion playing a part in politics--well, of course it does. That doesn't mean that the religion with the greatest population gets their way, though. That's what the Constitution is for, and why we have an electoral college, and why laws are made making SURE the state can't promote a particular religion.

I'd be MORE scared to have you in a place of power, honestly. Change is good, as a general rule. We (as humans) don't grow to our greatest potential without change, even change we don't like. As far as standards go--what are yours? That no one be non-Christian, have moonlight dances for their goddess, that families always stay together for the good of the children, even if abuse is involved? Seriously--what are YOUR standards? Should all people living in sin, together without the benefit of marriage be stoned to death for fornication? That still happens in several countries in the world, you know. How about children born out of wedlock be taken from their mothers and given to the state to be place for adoption, so that all of those poor desperate couples longing for a child will finally have a chance at an infant?

You look at greater good over individual rights, and I look at individual rights over the greater good--so long as they do not willfully HARM the greater good.

Your god is all powerful, right? He can probably take care of himself, then. He doesn't need you to crusade for him--if he REALLY hates gays, he can just smite them! Or deny them entrance to heaven, or whatever. Who are YOU to judge what HE wants, hmmm?

I'd rather have my "anything goes, as long as it's not harming anyone" over your "dont' do it because it's EVIL, and I can't even give you a reason why except that god says it is" any day.

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well u guys can live in a fantasy world where there is a separation of church and state, but the reality is that religion plays a major part in this country; like it or not. So all you guys can kick and scream because things are not "fair", but taxes aren't fair either... so deal with it..

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You might consider the US Constitution a fantasy, but I take it very seriously. I have no prob w/ rel being a 'major part of this country,' but this is not a Christian nation no matter what you've been led to believe (a treaty from the 1800s spells that out distinctly). So making other live by your narrow religious rules is unconstitutional. And what kind of selfishness makes you settle for just living with what's not fair?

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Also, I would be afraid to have some of you in charge of the laws because there would be no standards, gays, bi-sexuals, transsexuals, animal lovers, polygamists, etc. would all be okay and have lawful rights to marriage as long as they are "consenting" adults.
There really have to be some standards, and this is just one of them. If you don't like it... move to a country where gay marriage is legal, period.

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A standard by whose definition? Yours? Society would not allow many of the things you seem to fear for a variety of reasons - only 1 being religious. And in this country, while the majority rules, there are provisions in the Constitution to prevent majority tyranny.

If you want to live in a theocracy, move to one.