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Many of the writings that did not agree with the main writings of the known Apostles were not included of course,
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Many of the writings that did not agree with the main writings of the known Apostles were not included of course,
Unless of course you are a christian, then you base all your actions on the bible.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeedKarma
The Worldwide Institute stated that "3 times as many people fell victim to war in the 20th century as in all the wars from the first century AD to 1899.Quote:
Originally Posted by Onan
More than 100 million people, and rising, have lost their lives as a result of wars just since 1914!
It doesn't matter how big our population is, don't you think this is a huge concern to mankind in general?
It has also been reported on our news channels recently that if humans carry on as they are environmentally speaking and increasing in numbers, within around 50 years the earth will not be able to sustain life any longer.
What then? Shouldn't we have started evolving into something better by now? After all it takes millions of years to become as clever as we are now! :rolleyes:
War is a horrible thing, my point was there have always been wars. There will always be wars. I guess what I'm trying to say is, how can they get worse, when it's a horrible thing already? Even if one man dies in a war it's a bad thing.Quote:
The Worldwide Institute stated that "3 times as many people fell victim to war in the 20th century as in all the wars from the first century AD to 1899.
More than 100 million people, and rising, have lost their lives as a result of wars just since 1914!
It doesn't matter how big our population is, don't you think this is a huge concern to mankind in general?
It's a bit longer than 50 years... lolQuote:
It has also been reported on our news channels recently that if humans carry on as they are environmentally speaking and increasing in numbers, within around 50 years the earth will not be able to sustain life any longer.
Humans probably won't survive, the dinosaurs didn't. The earth will still be here for whatever takes over when were gone. All it takes is the right astroid hit and were gone. It won't matter what religion we are, what kind of people we are, or where were from. I just hope I get answers to the questions I asked before that happens... lol
Things were handled during these concils by way of vote, yes even the divinity of christ was an issue voted on. I wouldn't feel very good about something like that.Quote:
The early church called a meeting of all of the major church leaders who presented various letters and writings.
Actually we have found out about many changes because of the dead sea scrolls. I can't remember off hand what book it was, but I think it was Mark that had a chapter added, and we learned this because of an earlier copy found in the dead sea scrolls. That's just one example I don't have time to look through my notes to find more.Quote:
We can compare those to writings found in the dead sea scrolls to know that there has not been change in these writings.
By the time these votes started there were no known Apostles. It was 300 to 400 years later. What was known was there was a lot of different beliefs from his birth to his divinity, life, teachings, etc, etc. Now being that it was the Romans taking care of this, they decided to take the stories that felt more like what they were used to, spruce them up a bit by making them sound more like their own beliefs,( which if you read anything about the Romans they come from a long history in believing in Demi Gods and what not) Presto change-o, you have a new religion to make everyone happy. I don't think a Jew had any part of what we read today as the NT. Why would they write about demi Gods when all of the Jewish writings that ended up as the OT did nothing but speak against this kind of thing? Why would a Jewish writer declare his own people Killed God? See what I'm saying here? The Romans believed in many Gods and demi gods, so doesn't it make more sense that they created this one as well?Quote:
Many of the writings that did not agree with the main writings of the known Apostles were not included of course,
If Rome was in control of the meetings it would be a consideration, but the Bishop of Rome was just one of many equals at these meetings. In fact from the Orthodox teachings it was there Bishop actually over the meetings Remember during these times the Church of the East and West had not divided yet and Rome had not yet come to power as it would latter.
And of course why would they write it, the truth perhaps, Iknow it may sound like a sily idea to someone not wanting to accept, but often the truth is told when you are writing things,
The history of man is one of conquer and convert. That's how the traditions are spread, and converts made. When you say bible you must be more specific, as there are a few versions, so which one are we talking about? I know, there is only one true bible, and that's the one true christians follow!
Good, what I have written I believe to be true, but that doesn't make those who disagree silly, does it? That would be a problem, as its up to us as individuals, what we accept or not, and that's the truth, as I believe it.Quote:
And of course why would they write it, the truth perhaps, Iknow it may sound like a sily idea to someone not wanting to accept, but often the truth is told when you are writing things,
So then there is a chance that one of the many earlier myths are true? They were written down.Quote:
And of course why would they write it, the truth perhaps, Iknow it may sound like a sily idea to someone not wanting to accept, but often the truth is told when you are writing things,
My point is that you seem to miss the real point. Things are definitely worse than before as it was foretold by Jesus at Matt 24:7 "Nation will rise against nation, kingdom against kingdom." This started in 1914 with Total War in that it was not just army against army but nation against nation - approx 93 per cent of the world was involved in that war.Quote:
Originally Posted by Onan
There would also be an increasing of lawlessness (vs 12). Today's moral breakdown is so bad children are becoming desensitized to horror, violence, swearing, sex, all in the form of entertainment, mostly. Are you saying that you don't care what happens to your children or grandchildren because there's no hope anyway?
God gives us hope in the scriptures. (Mic 4:3,4; Psa 37:10; Psa 46:9; Rev 21:3,4 etc etc) The only pity is that you do not take these seriously because God is a good "housekeeper" and it won't take him much to clean this place of his up. Also, he will never let it be destroyed by anyone or anything. (Isa 45:18; Eccl 1:4)
As I recall it, the news bulletin I saw mentioned the year 2050 as the time when earth would no longer cope - whether that was a scare tactic or not, you be the judge but that is not too far away! Maybe a different date or timeframe is given depending which part of the world you're in lol!
Onan, you're not really looking for answers... ;)
If you think children are getting desensitized now imagine how desensitized they must have been when they had to kill their own food and every Sunday the whole family got dressed up to go to the public hangings. Public executions use to be a family friendly event. The kids would gather round and throw rocks at the prisoners as they were lead to their death. Good moral fun, right?
By every measurable quality, life is getting better for the majority of the human race. Sure more of us have died in the last 100 years in war than ever have before but there are more people alive today than have ever lived on earth.
Judas hanged himself, apparently over a precipice somewhere. Something broke and he fell. What's so hard to understand here?Quote:
Originally Posted by Onan
Saul committed suicide. The Amalekite thought David would reward him if David thought that he had rendered David a service by dispatching king Saul. Wrong!!
Michal had 5 stepsons from her other husband, but none by David.
Josiah was succeeded by his son Jehoahaz, who only reigned 3 months, followed by another son, Eliakim. His name was changed to Jehoiakim. There was another Jehoahaz who was the 11th king of the ten tribes.
The word tempt is used many times in the same sense as to try. God does not tempt any man to do evil.
No man has seen God in His glory. Many have seen Him in human manifestation.
Hope this helps someone.
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Originally Posted by Galveston1
Matthew pretty much says he hung himself, nowhere does it say something broke and he fell, where you got that is from the other story of his death in Acts that saysQuote:
Judas hanged himself, apparently over a precipice somewhere. Something broke and he fell. What's so hard to understand here?
1:18 Now this man purchased a field with the reward of iniquity; and falling headlong, he burst asunder in the midst, and all his bowels gushed out.
1:19 And it was known unto all the dwellers at Jerusalem; insomuch as that field is called in their proper tongue, Aceldama, that is to say, The field of blood.
Matthew and Acts have two complete different stories about the death of Judas.
So tempting Abraham to sacrifice his son is not evil? Again we have a problem with the Bible saying two different things. God tempts, and he doesn't tempt.Quote:
The word tempt is used many times in the same sense as to try. God does not tempt any man to do evil.
Exod. 24:9,10; Amos 9:1; Gen. 26:2; and John 14:9, along with Ex. 33:23, Ex. 33:11 and Gen. 32:30 says different and it's not speaking of Jesus. Again the Bible saying two different things.Quote:
No man has seen God in His glory. Many have seen Him in human manifestation.
I didn't address 2 of them because we would argue forever over it.
The point I was trying to make, that really is kind of past us now, is the Bible is not without contradiction.
I don't think we've even begun to discuss the translation issues. Some of these problems are related to trying to get from ancient Hebrew to modern English. The difference in context is large as well and people frequently don't bother trying to get the real meaning.
For example, there is a passage in the New Testament that goes something like, "It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven." Most people who read that assume that since a camel can't pass through the eye of a sewing needle, rich folks are going south. The needle referred to in the passage isn't a sewing needle. Cities with walls back in biblical times had gates and they were pretty large. At night when the gates were closed, there needed to be access to the city. That access was through a small door built into the larger gate. The person sized door was called the eye of the needle. You could get a camel through it, but it wasn't easy.
What a great discovery! Through a little research, rich people don't automatically go to hell.
The miracle is when the red sea parted.
Just in time for the hebrews to flee the host of those trying to kill them.
Just in time did it close to kill those trying to kill them.
Actually it does. You need to learn more history.
People who do not know how to tell time, do not impress me.
If you studied the actual dynasties you would see that the timeline is wrong that many scholars presume, for example how can a ruler rule for 97 years-when they admit he died at 47? Many people died much younger then. Perhaps the 'scholars' who prepared your timeline counted months as years? As the people who thought there was a fountain of youth did.
Ptah-seeker-osiris is a description of a god who is the father-helper along side-son:
Creator of the universe and law giver-god of light-judge and resurrecter of the dead.
It is the way that it was understood who GOD is by the people who were not hebrew.
And it is another proof the bible is correct. The people who were not hebrew after they left while worshipping other gods may have made some type of incorrect worship, ancestor worship commonly called, instead of worshipping God.
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Originally Posted by Onan
I see you choose to remain in ignorance.
Did you do even a Google search to find these proofs?
Do you want to know the truth?
No, it is obvious you are just wrong, you choose to be wrong.
You cannot be right until you are willing to see that there is evidence.
Until you will examine the proof, you are only hatemongering.
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Originally Posted by Credendovidis
No.
The bible is actual facts. Actual events. Proof of every event that you have heard about in the bible has been given. You don't believe in science, you don't believe in proof.
The bible is already proven, legally, morally, scientifically, philosophically, reasonably.
You don't think it is. But you are wrong! You don't control the legal system, nor the moral system, nor the scientific system, nor the philosophical system, not the system of reason.
You onan only decide how ignorant you are by what you refuse to accept.
As does the person who asked this question. It is not belief, for you know in your heart that you are wrong, and hatemongering, but you attitudinal change program fails. The words convict you. The truth always wins out. You only bring more people to truth by harming yourself against the chief cornerstone. You cannot win, only lose. Sad that you do not know.
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Originally Posted by Onan
No.
Modern litertature proves when and where the bible was written.
You need to get up to speed on what universities now know is fact and teach in college.
I quoted this earlier, don't know why you don't believe modern atheists professors?
Perhaps you are a little bit behind the times?
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Originally Posted by talaniman
Personal attacks don't impress me, and neither do the credentials of those that repeat stories, and take them as fact, without proof.
Judas having a rope around his neck, that the rope was too long, fell to his death, where he bounced against the ground, spilling his insides out, cause of death. But he was wearing a rope connected to a tree. So technically he died because he was hanging himself
Self or others
If no twins or triplets or multiple births, then just one per time she was pregnant.
Unless she had a abortion, spontaneous or otherwise.
The one he choose
No God does not tempt. Not his job. Not in his nature.
And lived?
Provide more info, answer my questions.
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Originally Posted by Onan
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