Ask Me Help Desk - I've had enough of this May 2011 world is ending theory...

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Originally Posted by Depressed in MO

The more I re-read through all of my posts, the more I see how paranoid I am.:o

This is what the fear monger/cultists feed off. They feed off your fear and paranoia to get you to listen to their agenda. Don't fall for it.

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No problemo, dude. I'm prejudiced in favor of the original King James Version. Though on occasion I have used the German Martin Luther translation. I also semi-regularly I refer to online interlinear Greek and interlinear Hebrew versions. I guess that's about it.

Gracias

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Originally Posted by HeadStrongBoy

Your comments strike me as those of a human being. I can relate to the feelings of paranoia. Unfortunately one drowning person is not of much help to another drowning person.

Get my drift ?

No sir I don't. Although speaking metaphorically can be beautiful, I just don't always get it.

I'd say my lesson so far reading comments between you and the others is the fact that I need to read the bible. I've truly never read the entire thing, just parts here and there. It's hard to understand and there are so many different versions of the bible-which one is the right one to go to?

Well, if you can read Greek or Hebrew, finding a Bible in either language would be good.

Lacking those languages, the generally accepted Bible throughout the world is the King James Version.

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Originally Posted by J_9

This is what the fear monger/cultists feed off of. They feed off of your fear and paranoia to get you to listen to their agenda. Don't fall for it.

I know-one of the worst parts about me-my ability to be so gullible...

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Originally Posted by Depressed in MO

I know-one of the worst parts about me-my ability to be so gullible...

You have been through so much in the past few years, don't fall for this. Please! I'm one of the few here who knows where you came from and how far you have come. Just keep following your path. Don't let this cultist place fear and doubt in your heart.

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Depressed in MO: No sir I don't. Although speaking metaphorically can be beautiful, I just don't always get it.
I'd say my lesson so far reading comments between you and the others is the fact that I need to read the bible. I've truly never read the entire thing, just parts here and there. It's hard to understand and there are so many different versions of the bible-which one is the right one to go to?

I apologize. I was trying to be clever. If I may, I'd like to offer some advice along more serious lines.

Your observation is correct that some people on this post have more Bible knowledge than others. But I believe that quantity of knowledge is not the important thing. The Bible indicates that God is more interested in a contrite spirit and a broken heart. That is the other element of the environment in which God is saving people in our day, NOT the churches.

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Originally Posted by HeadStrongBoy

I apologize. I was trying to be clever. If I may, I'd like to offer some advice along more serious lines.

Your observation is correct that some people on this post have more Bible knowledge than others. But I believe that quantity of knowledge is not the important thing. The Bible indicates that God is more interested in a contrite spirit and a broken heart. That is the other element of the environment in which God is saving people in our day, NOT the churches.

I wasn't offended-I just didn't quite get what you were saying:cool:.

I like going to church. It feels and seems genuine when I'm listening to the preacher... I understand it better than the holy bible because of the examples that are given...

If this is true what you believe in, or what you are saying, would God look down on me for continuing to go to church? My children love it I'd hate to take it away from them.

You may not be able to answer that, and I'm not trying to be sarcastic, I'm just trying to do the right thing.

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Originally Posted by J_9

You have been through so much in the past few years, don't fall for this. Please! I'm one of the few here who knows where you came from and how far you have come. Just keep following your path. Don't let this cultist place fear and doubt in your heart.

I know, you do know quite a bit about me. I don't post on here anymore that often, but I have come a very long way and I enjoy communicating with you all.

I was lost for a very long time, and although I'm not completely "found" (so to speak), I'm just not ready to go yet, I feel like I've just started going down the "right" path, I want to continue my journey for as long as I can.

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Depressed: I like going to church. It feels and seems genuine when I'm listening to the preacher... I understand it better than the holy bible because of the examples that are given...
If this is true what you believe in, or what you are saying, would God look down on me for continuing to go to church? My children love it I'd hate to take it away from them.
You may not be able to answer that, and I'm not trying to be sarcastic, I'm just trying to do the right thing.

My advice is that, since May 21, 2011 is only about 6 weeks away don't go to any church at least until then.

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Originally Posted by HeadStrongBoy

My advice is that, since May 21, 2011 is only about 6 weeks away don't go to any church at least until then.

:( ugh you're breaking my heart. But I appreciate your advice.

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Originally Posted by HeadStrongBoy

As I expected. Your reply puzzles me. Sentence 1. Expresses skepticism, and yet you claim to want to see the rules. Why ? You're obviously way too smart to learn anything from a cultist like myself.
Number 2. was simply an invitation. Nothing more. I feel sorry that it brought out the feelings of contempt that you've expressed.

I ask you again. Do you want to discuss, rationally ? Or do you want to hurl accusations ? The choice is yours.

1. Can a skeptic not keep an open-mind? Or is a skeptic forever bound by the lack of knowledge he/she has?

2. That is the first thing you got right all week. Contempt... is what I feel. I despise a man who hides behind formulas, excuses and big words to dance around questions being asked of him, all to reassure himself that what he does is right. When the time comes and the Day of Judgement does not come, and you are accused of being a joke, you will point to Mr. Camping as a scapegoat. Why? Because you're a sheep and he's the shepard.

I too live my life by no book. When I go to Afghanistan to fight for your freedom to spread this nonsense, there will be no book, no faith other than my brothers-in-arms. I don't need to have a purpose in life to feel fulfilled. When May 23rd comes around, I will drink to this. I will drink to you and the other sheep out there.

~nostrovia

My advice is to continue to do what makes you feel close to your god.

If going to church helps you organize your thoughts and beliefs, there is absolutely no reason why you cannot continue to go.

Besides--churches are an excellent place to find support and unconditional love from fellow human beings.

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Originally Posted by Synnen

My advice is to continue to do what makes you feel close to your god.

If going to church helps you organize your thoughts and beliefs, there is absolutely no reason why you cannot continue to go.

Besides--churches are an excellent place to find support and unconditional love from fellow human beings.

Here, Here.

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HeadStrongBoy: My advice is that, since May 21, 2011 is only about 6 weeks away don't go to any church at least until then.
Depressed: ugh you're breaking my heart. But I appreciate your advice.

I think I understand your need for fellowship, and that of your children. I'm sure that God will honor your desire to be obedient to His word. If you seek alternatives to church maybe a door will open that can provide what you need without being under the spiritual authority of any particular denomination.

I read two major Canadian newspapers every morning, and to be quite honest, have never heard mention of this Camping in any one of them.

Have you eveer heard his name NK, other then on here?

Tick

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Originally Posted by Synnen

My advice is to continue to do what makes you feel close to your god.

If going to church helps you organize your thoughts and beliefs, there is absolutely no reason why you cannot continue to go.

Besides--churches are an excellent place to find support and unconditional love from fellow human beings.

Thank you, I agree that it is a great place for unconditional love.

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Originally Posted by HeadStrongBoy

I think I understand your need for fellowship, and that of your children. I'm sure that God will honor your desire to be obedient to His word. If you seek alternatives to church maybe a door will open that can provide what you need without being under the spiritual authority of any particular denomination.

Thanks, I'm still deciding on which church I want to remain at, I'm still "church-hopping" at this point. :D

Tick,

I have never heard of Camping until I posted this thread... I certainly never heard of him back in 1988 either... I did read on CNN.com about a month or so ago regarding this subject however... I don't remember mention of his name. I'll see if I can find it and try to post it if I can.

HSB- It's safe to assume evolution didn't happen right?

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Originally Posted by Depressed in MO

Tick,

I have never heard of Camping until I posted this thread...I certainly never heard of him back in 1988 either... I did read on CNN.com about a month or so ago regarding this subject however...I don't remember mention of his name. I'll see if I can find it and try to post it if I can.

Hi Depressed, thanks but no thanks, I have read enough about him here to last me a lifetime. :)

He has had some pretty good mileage here, I wonder if he has in his own community ?

Tick

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Originally Posted by HeadStrongBoy

The Bible indicates that God is more interested in a contrite spirit and a broken heart.

Ummmm, actually, it's the reverse -- a contrite heart and broken spirit.

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ITstudent2006: I despise a man...

Thanks for confirming what I already knew.

P.S. Notice my avatar name is HeadStrongBoy. So at least I'm not misrepresenting myself.
I don't claim to be in the same league of testosterone filled manhood as yourself.

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Originally Posted by Depressed in MO

:( ugh you're breaking my heart. But I appreciate your advice.

Appreciate it, but don't take it. Get with other believers who can help strengthen your faith. That's what the church is all about. Don't isolate yourself; that's one of the worst things a Christian can do.

ITstudent is super manly and we love him. =)

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Depressed in MO:ugh you're breaking my heart. But I appreciate your advice.
Dwashbur:Appreciate it, but don't take it. Get with other believers who can help strengthen your faith. That's what the church is all about. Don't isolate yourself; that's one of the worst things a Christian can do.

If you'd take the trouble to read my subsequent post you'd see I don't recommend isolation either. The essential point is to NOT be under the spiritual authority of any church, because Satan rules there.

And the one to "strengthen" our faith is God and His word, not other people. Though people can be instrumental in either direction... toward God or toward Satan.

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Originally Posted by tickle

Have you eveer heard his name NK, other then on here?
tick

He's american. Never heard of him 'itll this thread. I'm guessing that since he was wrong about his 1994 prediction he lost any credibility he may have had.

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Originally Posted by HeadStrongBoy

If you'd take the trouble to read my subsequent post you'd see I don't recommend isolation either. The essential point is to NOT be under the spiritual authority of any church, because Satan rules there.

And the one to "strengthen" our faith is God and His word, not other people. Though people can be instrumental in either direction...toward God or toward Satan.

So how do you propose someone be strengthened by others, yet not be "under the spiritual authority of a church" (whatever that means)?

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Originally Posted by HeadStrongBoy

P.S. Notice my avatar name is HeadStrongBoy. So at least I'm not misrepresenting myself.

You're a 62 year old man. :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by NeedKarma

He's american. Never heard of him 'itll this thread. I'm guessing that since he was wrong about his 1994 prediction he lost any credibility he may have had.

I'm American, read two dailies and a number of magazines, but had never heard of him until HSB showed up. I know about the Koran-burning guy though :).

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WG:"under the spiritual authority of a church" (whatever that means)?

The Bible teaches that the new testament churches have three basic characteristics that typify their structure.
[1] Spiritual leadership. For example bishops, pastors, elders, deacons, teachers, etc. They have the authority to perform the two ceremonial rites of water baptism and the Lord's table. They also have the authority to excommunicate members.
[2] Members. These are the ordinary rank and file who are under the authority described in item [1].
[3] Services offering the ceremonial rites of water baptism and the Lord's table.

Those three characteristics were set up by God Himself to be followed during the Church Age from AD 33 until AD 1988. But now since 1988 "the abomination of desolation is standing in the holy place." "Let those in Judea (the Christians) flee to the mountain" (the kingdom of God outside the churches). To be a church member in our day means to be under the authority of (actually worshiping) Satan.

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And you have a mustache and a pipe!

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Originally Posted by HeadStrongBoy

And you have a mustache and a pipe!

Yes, yes I do.

On another note, I'll never understand how people take simple words from the bible and reinterpret them to mean something entirely different.

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Originally Posted by HeadStrongBoy

To be a church member in our day means to be under the authority of (actually worshiping) Satan.

My pastor father would not be happy to hear you say that.

So when a pastor preaches Christ crucified, that's actually of Satan?

What about Christian grade schools and high schools and colleges? Are they also Satan's work now?

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Originally Posted by NeedKarma

Yes, yes I do.

On another note, I'll never understand how people take simple words from the bible and reinterpret them to mean something entirely different.

An American example:

"All men are created equal"

The word "men" used to mean something sooo very different than what it means today.

AND if you read any bills, laws, etc, the definitions of terms takes up half the document if not more.

Thorough definition so that there can be NO confusion of interpretation is vital, if we expect people to agree on what is written.

Even then, it isn't so iron clad.

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Originally Posted by HeadStrongBoy

The Bible teaches that the new testament churches have three basic characteristics that typify their structure.
[1] Spiritual leadership. For example bishops, pastors, elders, deacons, teachers, etc. They have the authority to perform the two ceremonial rites of water baptism and the Lord's table. They also have the authority to excommunicate members.
[2] Members. These are the ordinary rank and file who are under the authority described in item [1].
[3] Services offering the ceremonial rites of water baptism and the Lord's table.

Sounds exactly like the last three churches I've been to, and the next one I'm going to check out. Amazing how that works.

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Those three characteristics were set up by God Himself to be followed during the Church Age from AD 33 until AD 1988. But now since 1988 "the abomination of desolation is standing in the holy place." "Let those in Judea (the Christians) flee to the mountain" (the kingdom of God outside the churches). To be a church member in our day means to be under the authority of (actually worshiping) Satan.

That's assuming one accepts the ridiculous number-manipulation that arrives at 1988 as something significant, which I don't. So I think I'll keep going to church. Depressed in MO, I suggest you do the same.

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NK:On another note, I'll never understand how people take simple words from the bible and reinterpret them to mean something entirely different.

Thank you :rolleyes: for asking that.

The answer is somewhat complex, in my opinion. But in very simple terms (which need to be further explained at a later time perhaps) is that the Bible (we have today) was not intended to be correctly understood by simple minds. After all the author is God Himself. Who could be more mysterious than the INFINITE God Himself to our tiny little minds ? But He has in these last days opened seven seals that make it possible to understand much more accurately IF we humbly follow His rules.

I still don't understand what events constitute the opening of the seals.

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Originally Posted by HeadStrongBoy

But in very simple terms (which need to be further explained at a later time perhaps) is that the Bible (we have today) was not intended to be correctly understood by simple minds.

Ah, so it's designed to be understood by small elite group. Gotcha.