talaniman,
I went there and saw that.
I do believe that Allah is NOT the God Almighty mentioned in the Hoy Bible.
Peace and kindness,
Fred (arcura)
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talaniman,
I went there and saw that.
I do believe that Allah is NOT the God Almighty mentioned in the Hoy Bible.
Peace and kindness,
Fred (arcura)
arcura and Retrotia,
Your god is not a true one, just a fake idol invented by man
Cheers,
Me.
Your so funnyQuote:
Originally Posted by NeedKarma
Your assumption doesn't fly in the face of the facts. Sorry but if it's the God of the same bible, how can they be different? Are you rejecting the tenets of your own bible as put forth in the old testament? Or are you rejecting the fact that you and the muslims are alike except for the traditional dogma that is found in all religious sects? Or has God given you permission to have your own church?Quote:
Originally Posted by arcura
Fred,Quote:
Originally Posted by arcura
I am glad that you are comfortable and comforted by your beliefs. I do have to agree with Talaniman, that they do contradict the fact that both the New Testament and the Koran follow-up on the Old Testament. The fact that the God who you believe fathered Christ is the same God that is mentioned in Genesis. The fact that the Allah referred to in the Koran, is also the same God mentioned in Genesis.
But if you want to believe differently then I can respect that. But I must, again, ask that you respect my beliefs.
Dear ScottGem,
I am glad you're feeling better today as your response is more readable & reasonable.
I hope you will respect that I do not believe that Allah is the same God as in the Bible.
I respect that many Muslims do believe that- but with some knowledge on the subject- I personally believe they need Jesus for their salvation.
I'll let you have the last word- however, I'd like you (and all) to start to read up on the history of the Koran & Mohammed.
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Have a pleasant day!
Sorry this article will tell you nothing, but the slanted propaganda of one who is not a scholar, nor an authority and if you believe it as fact, you need to at least do more research.
They like you are awaiting his second coming.Quote:
I personally believe they need Jesus for their salvation.
Okay what's the real reason that some christians cannot reconcile their relationship with islam, or judaism for that matter?? Do you feel superior or what??
Excuse me? My responses are almost always readable and reasonable. I'm feeling no better or worse then I did when I posted my previous responses.Quote:
Originally Posted by Retrotia
I do respect your right to believe how you wish. I always have. I took a look at the page you linked to and the first question it asks leaped out at me:
Why did Allah convey his revelations to Angel Gabriel and this Angel had to carry Allah's revelations to Muhammad in such an indirect monologue, as stated in the Quran?
So the Quran states that Allah spoke to Gabriel. But isn't Gabriel an Archangel considered a messenger of God from the Book of Daniel? Isn't he considered similarly in the New Testament. Since all three religions consider Gabriel as a messenger of God, then it stands to reason, all three refer to the same God.
Let me separate this out for. Lets look at this form the standpoint of what is fact and what is belief. It is a fact, irrefutable, that the Old Testament, the New Testament and the Quran refer to the same entity (call it Jehovah, God, Allah or whatever) as their god. An reading of those writings confirm that.
However, whether one believes that Allah truly made a devine revelation to Mohammed, or that Christ is the son of God that is a different issue. As a Jew, I believe neither. I respect your right (and Fred's) to believe in Jesus. But please try to separate what is fact from what is belief.
This come real close to bigotry concerning other religions. This site is no place to proselytize a certain religion or belief. Look at ALL religions Retrotia and pick the one you're most comfortable with. Or you can study religions as I did and pick none at all. Good luck in whatever you decide. TomQuote:
Originally Posted by DUKE-OF-URL
These threads on religion, always seem to perplex me. God is all about love and in some post, seems to be the furthest thing evident. Sorry, not being judgemental here, just an observation.
Hate to break it to everyone, but God loves us all. No such thing as your God, my God, his God, to me, and only my opinion, there is a God, and He is loving, kind and merciful. He loves all of us no matter what religion is stamped on our forehead.
To me, all religions are like different roads that lead to God.
Nothing is more scarey to me, than someone getting so angry and dare I say unkind, when they are trying to "convince" someone that their God is the only God and their religion is The religion. Not something I would want to sign up to.
I respect all faiths and I know that all faiths believe and worship God.
Others will be more apt to hear what you have to say, when it is done in a loving way. I am just so amazed at the level of upset that is demonstrated in some of these threads, when the subject matter is about God and religion.
NeedKarma,
Thanks for you OPINION.
I disagree with it.
Peace and kindness,
Fred
As I with yours Fred.
Feel the love,
NK
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Originally Posted by NeedKarma
Now that made me smile :) :D - It's all about feeling the love. :D
Here here. All his comments are so intolerant and anything but full of peace and kindness. It is people with attitudes like his and who makes statements such as his that makes me completely disenchanted with religion sometimes.Quote:
Originally Posted by ScottGem
Sometimes that happens Skell. This is just my opinion from what I have seen and also just though the years what I have been taught.
Evil has a funny way of circling around those who have strong faith, to try and weaken them. Does that make sense. Temptation and evil will tend to knock very heavily on the door of those trying to so very hard to live a God fearing life. Evil and temptation are not going to waste time with those who have already fallen or who are non believers. Evil will try and take away any glory from God and any glory from good to discourage others from having faith.
Does any of the above make sense to anyone :)
Allheart,Quote:
Originally Posted by Allheart
Spot on as always. If only some of the people here and most others around the world thought like this then we would all be a lot better off. But sadly as exhibited here by a couple of people it is impossible for them to think in such a way. They are too scared to think this way. They are scared people in my opinion. They are hiding. From what I'm not sure but you can see it in there words that they are frightened people hiding behind rhetoric they aren't actually certain of. I feel sorry for them actually.
I still haven't seen any thoughtful and respectable answers to any of Tal's or Scott's quite legitimate questions raised here. They have no answer.
Well said Allheart. All you need is love.
Of course it makes sense Allheart. Very good sense. You will notice I added to word "sometimes" to the end of my post. Sometimes I become disenchanted. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Allheart
Oh I know Skell. And how can you not. Sometimes it's like you feel you are being hollered at. As though the oppositive of love is coming at you, and it can be very scary.
Scary. YES. That's a good word to use Allheart. Sometimes I do feel scared with the way people come at you. And not scared for myself. Scared at what they are capable of.
It isn't about feeling any love. Unconditional love is about putting someone else's interest ahead of our own no matter what they do. I don't find that to be the situation when Jesus tells us to love one another. I believe that we love one another conditionally.
Loving one's neighbor means not doing him any harm.
So you can stop with the mushy love stuff- because it is not sincere-and looks like the only thing to do is to try to like one another.
I appreciate your response Speedball. I have studied other religions like you & I have found the one I love. It wasn't because of studying it either- but rather because I had a Burning Bush experience or God moment-similar to St. Paul in the New Testament.
I'm sorry you didn't have a similar experience, but I am not proselytizing-it's called evangelizing-if I do any of those at all.
Basically, this is a touchy subject for all I conclude. I'm not offended. I pasted some links & responded to an O.P. that had no religion to call her own. I tried to deter her from taking Islam.
Oh no! She has another link she thinks I might be interested in. Peace be with you.
Do all religions lead to God
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Originally Posted by Skell
LOL :D - I know you didn't mean that as a funny, but I did laugh and I do know what you mean.
What I think happens is, and this sounds so awful, but a negativity overtakes them and it's more like venum coming out than a love that would bring people closer together and closer to God.
I am not referring this to any thread here, just life in general. I have sadly seen it happen a time or two. Where very good meaning people, just loose their way, and a very negative force takes over.
I am not a Saint, I have fallen so many times and still do. I have so much work to do on my spiritual growth I should actually be working on it this very minute. So please, I do not want to come off as Ms. Goody Allheart ( but I do like the sound of it ) hee, hee. Trust me, I have a ways to go.
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Originally Posted by Retrotia
Sorry, I wouldn't say I disagree with you, I am just speaking up Retrotia. We are to absolutely love one another unconditionally. At least that is what I believe. As brother and sister. Retrotia, you would not be the first one in my life to question my sincerety, but gosh darn it, it stings me every darn time. On an earlier thread, when I was saying "it's about the love" I will admit, I was being playful, but knowing it is truthful. At least my truth. The only thing we have to do with each other, is to love each other. I don't mean mushy gushy, here's a box of choclalte kind of love. I mean a love that can only be driven, by loving God. I mean a love, for instatnce, when someone hurts me, I can put that hurt aside, and love them. Retrorita, you can believe me or not, but it is my truth.
Unconditional love is about loving someone despite what they doQuote:
It isn't about feeling any love. Unconditional love is about putting someone else's interest ahead of our own no matter what they do.
Your prejudice is showing. And its not very pretty. Can't you just evangelise what you believe, and leave the rest to her good sense?Quote:
I tried to deter her from taking Islam.
Very well said. It makes the point I have been trying to make more eloquentlyQuote:
Originally Posted by Allheart
I have been following this thread very carefully. I normally don't like to get involved in this kind of stuff, but it happens to be posted in the Members Forum, not in Christianity. I think it is important to point out that this thread seems to have been hijacked. There is a teenager who is looking for answers. What is being provided here is an argument. I am very dismayed at this turn of events. This is not a constructive thread but a repeat of what I have seen over and over again on this and other websites. Jesus Christ & Christianity versus any other God & Religion.
Retro, that link you posted is written by your church. How can we possibly take that as serious evidence of what you say to be true. It is biased, and understandably so, considering the source. I think you need to reread this entire thread. The only person that I see getting truly upset and annoyed is you. I also notice that you, Arcura, Duke, have not answered certain questions posed by ScottGem. If your intention is to defend your position that Jesus Christ is the One and Only God, then it appears to me that those questions should be answered to promote our understanding, if that is what you are trying to accomplish.
In this last post of yours your anger is truly palpable. For you to suggest that Allheart's "mushy love stuff" is "not sincere", I suggest you look at all of her postings on this website. She is one of the most sincere people I have met here. I have truly never met anyone as decent and kind hearted as she is. She is saddened by any divisiveness. She always tries to find the good in everything and tries to pull everyone together. She and I do not believe in the same God. She is a follower of Jesus Christ. Why is it that we can get along and respect each other's belief systems and you cannot?
For all of you who have been saved and believe you are going to heaven while the rest of us poor sinners will be condemned to hell, I truly wonder if you know how much hate and anger you spew when you talk. Is your vehement defense of your position an acceptable practice, and in doing such, earns you the rightful place in heaven? Is that to be considered a virtue by your God? I find that so completely contradictory to the teachings of your religion. Love thy neighbor as you would.. Turn the other cheek. What happened to that? I think it would be a lot more beneficial and less hurtful to all, if you just agree that there will be people who will disagree with you, instead of trying to prove your point.
I think it is important for you to understand that what you are doing here is undermining yourselves with the young person who posted in the first place. Talk about the positives of your religion so that this teenager will have a better understanding about your beliefs.
Well Allheart I believe you in particular are sincere. However being sincere is not the case for some other backstabbers that have the ultimate prejudice against Christians.
Ruby, does this mean you won't be 1 of the 144,000+ Jews that will believe in Christ in the end time and be saved?
What I have noticed is there are folks on here who say they don't practice any religion or don't need religion- but the next thing you know, they're on some religion thread just telling the same thing over & over again how much they hate your religion. They will go to great lengths to make sure you & their secular avatar friends get their big butts involved in the fight.
Why do they even go to the religion threads. If it was to learn or read - then their posts would reflect it?
I am not quite sure who you are referring to Retrotia. It sounds like you are referring to me.
I have never entered the threads in the Christianity forum and gotten into arguments with people. As a matter of fact, I have never entered any of the threads in the entire Religion forum and gotten into arguments with people.
The reason I chose to post in the first place was due to your unjustified attack on Allheart's sincerity. Thank you for apologizing to her. The other reason was to point out that this thread is not helping this poster. Do you honestly believe all this back and forth is making this clearer for the poster? Or convincing him to choose to follow your religion?
If you want to get into arguments or discussions with people about these differences of opinions and/or that you feel that you are being attacked for being Christian, start a thread on it. I just really don't think it is fair for someone else's thread to break down like this.
What I find very disturbing and feel I must point out because this is entirely of your own making, it appears you are an anti-semite. I noticed the attempts to get NeedKarma to state his religion as well. I never stated that I was Jewish. ScottGem stated he was. I also never stated that I hated your religion. Why are you calling me names like "big butts?" I don't understand the need for name calling here. Putting words into people's mouths and mistranslating what is being said is inexcusable. Where is your logic and reasoning Retro? All I see is anger, defensiveness, cruelty, and accusations.
Your true nature is showing Retro and it saddens me greatly.
Allheart,
You asked if what you said made sense to anyone...
I does to me. I agree with it.
Temptation is the nemesis of those who try to practice their faith.
Peace and kidness.
Fred (arcura)
Retrotia,Quote:
Originally Posted by Retrotia
It doesn't make me feel any better, it wasn't what I was searching for; your validation of my sincerity Retrotia, although I do thank you. I still am just as sad, just as confused and somewhat scared, that a conversation about a loving God, can produce such annimoisty.
Retrotia, what would have delited me, would have been if you agreed with me, when I stated that we are to love one another, unconditionally. That would have sent my spirits soaring. I say that, so you can have peace in your heart and it would also give me strength in my beleifs, that I am to love my neighbor, truly love them.
My goodness, could it be said any better than that. Well done Ruby, well done and so very true.Quote:
Originally Posted by RubyPitbull
I believe a Religion thread accommodates all religion discussions including atheism, agnosticism, those who had a faith and lost it, etc... It isn't only about your particular brand of christianity regardless of how much you'd like that to be. I haven't seen any hateful comments about religion (the closest I've seen are the fundamantalists openly condemming other religions than their own), if you do see a hate post please use the Report Inappropriate Post button.Quote:
Originally Posted by Retrotia
Your right you do have a choice... except him as Lord and live or deny him and burn. Isn't it great that we have free will :pQuote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
Sorry but those are not the only choices. If you weren't so bigotted you would realize that.Quote:
Originally Posted by DUKE-OF-URL
Im sorry you are right... if you don't except him as Lord then you have many choices on the way down. Heck you can even make a u-turn.Quote:
Originally Posted by ScottGem
And I see you have lowerd yourself to name calling:(
Duke, you need to stop this. Please. What you are doing is taunting and antagonizing. I truly don't understand it. As I said before, why can't you just agree to disagree and talk about the positives of your religion. You truly are not making a case for conversion to your religion. What you are doing is detrimental to your cause.
Remind me to stay away from whatever religion you represent. It must not work very well. Or maybe you aren't very good at it. And you do have a choice, and we see what that choice is, but its not to late to make a better one.;)Quote:
Originally Posted by DUKE-OF-URL
No its not name-calling to tell the truth about someone. Someone who is as intolerant about other peoples viewpoints as you seem to be earns the name.Quote:
Originally Posted by DUKE-OF-URL
You can learn a lot from people like Allheart, who has truly understood the message of Christ. That message is one of peace and love and understanding.
However, as I said in another response, I don't expect to convince you (or some of the others who think you like you). I'm not trying to convince you to believe in god as I do, only to be tolerant of others who may believe differently than you.
What I do hope, is that the strength and logic of what I and some others have said, will help the undecided see the wisdom of those points. On that note, I think its time to wrap this thread up.
Due to serious intolerant posting from certain members this thread is now CLOSED.
If you have a problem with this PM me.
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