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Originally Posted by Synnen

PS--the Bible wasn't completed 2000 years ago--not even CLOSE. The first Bible transcriptions weren't really put in place until the middle ages--somewhere around 400 CE, if I remember correctly. Before that, there were MULTIPLE oral traditions, but no one "Bible". And even then, they didn't include ALL of the oral traditions into the Bible....or even some of the written. That's what the Catholic Apocrypha are--and the Dead Sea Scrolls as well. So--closer to 1600 years, not 2000. And if you tell me that 400 years doesn't make a difference, I'll start REALLY doubting your ability to predict any date.

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Well, yes and no. The earliest complete copy of the NT we have dates from about AD 350, but we have examples of collections of books from much earlier than that, including portions of the gospels from the second century. The actual canon was finalized in the fourth century, but all the writings themselves were completed before the end of the first century.

That said, I quite agree with you about HSB's methodology (or lack thereof, as the case may be). Here's an old example that you may or may not have heard of:

"Judas...went away and hanged himself." Matt. 27:5

"Go, and do thou likewise." Luke 10:37

"What you are about to do, do quickly." John 13:27

A prophetic message for Camping's followers??

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Originally Posted by dwashbur

Mine would have been June 14

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Flag Day.

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Originally Posted by Wondergirl

Flag Day.

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Yup.

I don't get my 20 week ultrasound until June 3rd. THEREFORE, since no god is cruel enough to send Judgment Day before I get to see the gender of my baby, and NEITHER is that god cruel enough to end the entire world four days before my due date---I don't believe it.

It took 10 years to get pregnant, and I'm fully convinced it was a miracle. NO WAY is the world ending before I can hold my baby.

WHEN those people are eating their hats on May 22, I hope they realize that they have been led astray by false prophecies and look into their hearts to find the true way to their god.

Syn...
When the end comes I hope I will be in my garden worshipping nature and know exactly where my son is at that particular time, or preferably have him by my side. I don't think he and I would be far apart if we knew something was going to happen. There will be warnings, I am sure.

My heart tells me you will be holding your baby, see him/her grow up and have as much pleasure as I have in my son. Past tense is not in my vocabulary; I come from a long maternal line of women who believe life goes on no matter what.

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Originally Posted by tickle

Syn....
When the end comes I hope I will be in my garden worshipping nature and know exactly where my son is at that particular time, or preferrably have him by my side. I dont think he and I would be far apart if we knew something was going to happen. There will be warnings, I am sure.

My heart tells me you will be holding your baby, see him/her grow up and have as much pleasure as i have in my son. Past tense is not in my vocabulary; I come from a long maternal line of women who believe life goes on no matter what.

tick

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Don't worry you'll still be here on this earth worshiping your god, mother nature. According to the bible only those who's hearts are firmly in accordance with the God of the universe will be snatched away in the twinkling of an eye. That means there will be no warning for those both taken or left behind.

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Originally Posted by 450donn

Don't worry you'll still be here on this earth worshiping your god, mother nature. According to the bible only those who's hearts are firmly in accordance with the God of the universe will be snatched away in the twinkling of an eye. That means there will be no warning for those both taken or left behind.

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Wow, you all put a heck of a lot of importance on one book.

Most of you are saying that this May thing is bull, others are saying it's true, then there are the holier then thou that think only they'll be saved, so it's no big deal.

If the nutcases are right and the world ends this year, well, not much you can do. If the God of the bible is as cruel as some of you seem to think, then I guess only a few people will end up in heaven, the rest of us will burn. If those people are right I think they'll be in for a big surprise when they find out they aren't as righteous in the eyes of their God as they seem to think they are.

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Originally Posted by Altenweg

Wow, you all put a heck of a lot of importance on one book.

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Actually, it's only one VERSE, and very vague at that.

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Originally Posted by 450donn

Don't worry you'll still be here on this earth worshiping your god, mother nature. According to the bible only those who's hearts are firmly in accordance with the God of the universe will be snatched away in the twinkling of an eye. That means there will be no warning for those both taken or left behind.

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I had once considered Wiccan, and actually joined a group of women, thank god they were all women who appreciate nature in all its glory under the sun. In the old age, all tribes were matriarchal. Native northern tribes are still matriarchal. Which means basically that all natural gods were worhsipped, gods of the earth, sky, water and air. I think that is a wonderful way to worship the universe. I don't impinge on any one's worship, whatever they choose to do, am ambivalent regarding that aspect of our god laws. Whatever way one wants to live, and under what god is perfectly up to them.

Tick

Why worship the creation when you can worship the creator

Why do you have to worship nature to appreciate it? I'm curious... do you actually think "nature" is an intelligent personality... or are you just overzealous about your appreciation for it?

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Originally Posted by hauntinghelper

Why do you have to worship nature to appreciate it?

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I guess the same can be said for any god.

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Originally Posted by HeadStrongBoy

TUT
There are other issues involved besides the specific numbers of the 'date.'
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Hi HSB,

Yes, there are other numbers besides number relating to .'the date'.
I found the website NK provided which relates to 21st May 2011.

Under the first heading of "Absolute Proof" is the "one day is a thousand year" quote. As I said in earlier posts taking this literally creates all sorts of problems and inconsistencies.

The next 'proof' presented appears to be related to God's purpose and the number 3.

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The number 3 signifies God's purpose when the Bible writes about Christ being crucified, the number 3 is featured about 15 times: 3 crosses, 3 apostles, 3 denials by Peter, etc .All of these are emphasizing that it was absolutely God's purpose that Christ be crucified.

The number 3 was also significant in my formulation, but from my point of view 3 has nothing to do with purpose. When the Bible talks about Christ being crucified it is talking about doubt and uncertainty in the first instance.

(1)"Why has thou forsaken me?"
(2) 3 denials by Peter
(3) The rooster crowing 3 times before the dawn.

The problem with Mr. Campings and my formulations is they BOTH lack proof.

Tut

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Originally Posted by hauntinghelper

Why do you have to worship nature to appreciate it? I'm curious...do you actually think "nature" is an intelligent personality...or are you just overzealous about your appreciation for it?

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Ummm, are you directing your post at mine regarding worshipping nature? You didn't quote so I am wondering if it is me.

If it is, as a mature woman, no I don't think nature is an intellgent personality. They are only plants coming up and dying off in their order of the seasons. Not overzealous of my appreciation of nature, just thankful that we have four seasons to appreciate all that it offers.

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Yes, it was directed to you. I don't know how to do the "quotation" of people's posts.

Don't read into my question too much... I was really just curious about how you really view nature.

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Originally Posted by hauntinghelper

Yes, it was directed to you. I don't know how to do the "quotation" of people's posts.

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Did we tell you how to get off that skin and onto the friendlier one we are on?

So I wonder if the night of May 20th, they will set their alarms to get up, or just sleep in knowing there is no reason to get up since the world is going to end.

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Originally Posted by Fr_Chuck

So I wonder if the night of May 20th, they will set their alarms to get up, or just sleep in knowing there is no reason to get up since the world is going to end.

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I plan to sleep in, because it's a Saturday. :)

Hopefully by then all this damn snow will have melted and I can finally enjoy the great outdoors again.

I have to get some yard work done, I have company coming in June. AMHD company. I'm giddy.

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Originally Posted by Fr_Chuck

So I wonder if the night of May 20th, they will set their alarms to get up, or just sleep in knowing there is no reason to get up since the world is going to end.

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I think it will be a Saturday, so at least they won't miss work.

I have read all posts and would like to say a few things.

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I am not religious so I am not partial to either side of any argument.

I can say; without a doubt, I see a lot of people here who care. I also, see a lot of argument regarding beliefs and a lot of superfluous topics to disregard the OP's topic, whether for fun or for boredom of the topic stance.

HSB, you dodge questions with cunning counters and well thought out phrases to throw the topic. You have yet to answer a question regarding your beliefs and how they came to be. You acknowledge them; which in noble, but you dance around them (like a coward).

Depressed in MO, you seem like a loving parent and a very caring individual. You need to believe in that that has gotten you were you are today. Do not indulge yourself into the sayings and blabbering of an individual who cannot; for the life of him, explain himself. Go with what you know. Go with what you believe. Do not waste your time with the rest.

My thoughts are superfluous to the topic, as I stated before, I am not religious. May 20th just gives me another reason to drink and enjoy my life!