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Nor is mine "in men" . But do you have that absolute assurance that you have the fullness of faith only the Catholic Church is commissioned by Christ to offer? As WG said,"who sat around and were inspired to select the books that made it into the Bible"Quote:
Originally Posted by Tj3
I'm not asking you to give up your faith in Jesus Christ. I'm just asking you who put together the canon as we know it today (sorta like asking what brand toothpaste do you use).Quote:
Originally Posted by Tj3
Why would I put my faith in a denomination which is an institution of men founded by a Roman emperor 3 centuries after Christ?Quote:
Originally Posted by JoeT777
Jesus is not a brand of toothpaste.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
Apparently this is important to you, but not to me.
Why would I put faith in your rendition of a Book that according to you was inspired by "an institution of men founded by a Roman emperor 3 centuries after Christ"?Quote:
Originally Posted by Tj3
At least you're good to form tonight; you haven't answered a single question. Is it because you don't have the answers. How about an easy one; where did the Bible come from?
I would never suggest that you do.Quote:
Originally Posted by JoeT777
I use the Bible.
My first question to protect the salvation of my eternal soul is "who authenticates it"? Where did it come from? My soul is important to me, I Deserve the answer - God doesn't secret himself away, He reveals Himself to all men – if he did we'd be GnosticQuote:
Originally Posted by Tj3
You're really reaching. I didn't say that. I was indicating both are innocent questions.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tj3
He does reveal Himself. Can fallible man do better than an infinite God at authenticating the truth?Quote:
Originally Posted by JoeT777
No, that's why God gave us an infallible Church.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tj3
A bit of wisdom, “Free thought begets free morals, or immorality- Restraint is thrown off and a free rein given to the passions. WHOEVER THINKS WHAT HE PLEASES WILL DO WHAT HE PLEASES. (sic)” Don Felix Sarda y Salvany, Liberalismo es Pecado
Interpret scripture without discipline and Scripture will come to mean what pleases you (JoeT ).
The people of Berea were “ more noble than those in Thessalonica, who received the word with all eagerness, daily searching the scriptures, whether these things were so.” Why, because the Thessalonica Jews rejected Paul's message outright using scripture. And how did they do it; they used 'sola Scriptura' ; they used the Old Testament. In other words, Paul was teaching God's revelationsby word of mouth and the Thessalonians were rejecting those very same revelations by Sola Scriptura.
The Bereans were open-minded or otherwise noble-minded, why because they listened to God's revelations first then went to Scripture to examine the worthiness of Paul's words. In short the Bereans were disciplined in their faith.
JoeT
Tom, et al:
Do you really advise people to adhere to 2 Thess 3:6 “in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you withdraw yourselves from every brother walking disorderly and not according to the tradition which they have received of us.” How are you to tell the difference between Catholic Tradition, which by the way, is the “Tradition” taught by Paul, from those of other Traditions? Are you then indorsing the Catholic Church when you tell your faithful to 'withdraw'? If you don't, then being a Sola Scripturist, how do you justify it? And if you don't indorce the Catholic Tradition, are you then indorsing the actions of the Thessalonians in their right to reject Paul's teaching with Sola Scriptura?
JoeT
No denomination is infallible.Quote:
Originally Posted by JoeT777
Which is why scripture says that we are not to interpret it.Quote:
Interpret scripture without discipline and Scripture will come to mean what pleases you (JoeT ).
Well if you're not supposed to interpret it, how are you to come to Grow in Christ, then why did the Bereans first listen to Paul, then go to Scripture? Wasn't Paul's word good enough? Why did Paul say they were Nobel if in fact they weren't because they interpret Scripture?Quote:
Originally Posted by Tj3
JoeT
You still haven't answered any of my questions tonight. Do you not have answers to these questions Tom? There could be a good reason as to why.Quote:
Originally Posted by JoeT777
JoeT
Scripture tells us that that tradition was written down.Quote:
Originally Posted by JoeT777
Since your denomination did not exist at that time, no Paul's "tradition" was not that of yours or any denomination.Quote:
How are you to tell the difference between Catholic Tradition, which by the way, is the “Tradition” taught by Paul, from those of other Traditions?
Where?Quote:
Originally Posted by Tj3
Since it was Catholic Tradition and you have none, how would you know?Quote:
Since your denomination did not exist at that time, no Paul's "tradition" was not that of yours or any denomination.
JoeT
By the early church fathers.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tj3
The early church evolved into the catholic church which evolved into the Roman Catholic Church which split into the Eastern and Western branches (Great Schism). The Catholic Church was the only Christian Church until Luther's time.Quote:
Since your denomination did not exist at that time, no Paul's "tradition" was not that of yours or any denomination.
In scripture.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
By allowing the word of God to speak to you.Quote:
Originally Posted by JoeT777
If you are right, scripture was even required because Paul would have been speaking "tradition" which would be equal to scripture.Quote:
then why did the Bereans first listen to Paul, then go to Scripture?
Evaluating Tradition and Scripture as if they were two independent variables in an algorithm is simply gobbledygook.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tj3
Was Paul the first Pope? Wouldn't holding this, in a Bible-only view, be revisionist?
JoeT
P.S. P.S. would you like to discuss your on-line paper regarding Peter or Paul?
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