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Originally Posted by arcura

Apparently many folks in some towns did not.
The seeds were plentifully sown but the harvest was meager.
See here.
Today's Gospel (Lk 10:13-16): Jesus said, «Alas for you Chorazin! Alas for you Bethsaida! So many miracles have been worked in you! If the same miracles had been performed in Tyre and Sidon, they would already be sitting in ashes and wearing the sackcloth of repentance. Surely for Tyre and Sidon it will be better than for you on the Judgment Day. And what of you, city of Capernaum? Will you be lifted up to heaven? You will be thrown down to the place of the dead. Whoever listens to you listens to me, and whoever rejects you rejects me; and he who rejects me, rejects the one who sent me».
So IF you saw Jesus perform miracles would you believe?
:)Peace and kindness,:)
Fred (arcura)

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The above scripture may as well be Chinese for the amount of sense it makes to me, so I thought I would add another translation since this thread seems to be going nowhere fast... :D

Luke 10:13-16 (The Message)
The Message (MSG)
Copyright © 1993, 1994, 1995, 1996, 2000, 2001, 2002 by Eugene H. Peterson



13-14"Doom, Chorazin! Doom, Bethsaida! If Tyre and Sidon had been given half the chances given you, they'd have been on their knees long ago, repenting and crying for mercy. Tyre and Sidon will have it easy on Judgment Day compared to you.

15"And you, Capernaum! Do you think you're about to be promoted to heaven? Think again. You're on a mudslide to hell.

16"The one who listens to you, listens to me. The one who rejects you, rejects me. And rejecting me is the same as rejecting God, who sent me."

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Originally Posted by michealb

That isn't what you said if it was you wouldn't be a hypocrite what you said what that our minds were made up and nothing would change our minds, as if you had an open mind.

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That is where you err. I have NEVER said I have an open mind, at least on this subject.

Is that better?

Yes but it is the open mind that would have made you not a hypocrite.
Matthew 7:5
5 Thou hypocrite, cast out first the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.

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Originally Posted by arcura

Choux,
BUT.....
If you saw Jesus working miracles would you believe?
Peace and kindness,
Fred

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I didn't see Jesus working miracles but there is no doubt in my mind that he did.

I also believe that GOD works miracles every day.

I have seen Jesus work miracles and I do believe.

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Originally Posted by Galveston1

That is where you err. I have NEVER said I have an open mind, at least on this subject.

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That addition was completely unnecessary ! Indeed you never said that. Nor have you.

:D :D :D :D :D :D

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Originally Posted by arcura

Apparently many folks in some towns did not.
The seeds were plentifully sown but the harvest was meager.
See here.
Today's Gospel (Lk 10:13-16): Jesus said, «Alas for you Chorazin! Alas for you Bethsaida! So many miracles have been worked in you! If the same miracles had been performed in Tyre and Sidon, they would already be sitting in ashes and wearing the sackcloth of repentance. Surely for Tyre and Sidon it will be better than for you on the Judgment Day. And what of you, city of Capernaum? Will you be lifted up to heaven? You will be thrown down to the place of the dead. Whoever listens to you listens to me, and whoever rejects you rejects me; and he who rejects me, rejects the one who sent me».
So IF you saw Jesus perform miracles would you believe?
:)Peace and kindness,:)
Fred (arcura)

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Fred,

I have faith and I would believe because of that faith. It doesn't matter if Jesus stood before people today and raised a man from the dead. Some would walk away unbelieving just like they did when he raised Lazarus. Why? Because it takes FAITH. It is no different today. We have the written WORD of God which is so utterly awesome I am really without words to describe it. The Lord placed his WORD before his NAME. I can pick up the Word... read what HE says is going to take place in the future and watch it come to pass pretty much before my eyes. How awesome is THAT! But many people shake their heads and laugh.
This is why I don't try to prove anything. I KNOW THAT I KNOW and I will share it. But ultimately it takes faith to come to God or believe in miracles.

Fred : David Copperfield made an entire Jet airplane disappear on stage, life, with a huge public present - LINK.
Do I BELIEVE that he really made that airplane disappear? Of course not. It was an illusion trick. Not a miracle.

If you saw Jesus work miracles would you believe?
As in David Copperfield's case : what is a miracle? Is it a miracle or an illusion ?

Your question first has to be more specific : what do you qualify as miracle ?
And further : if one does not see a logical explanation for something happening, is that a valid case of miracle?

Next to that : and even if there was a miracle : why that specific conclusion ? Why would one conclude a supra-natural entity to exist for having viewed one or more miracles ?

You BELIEVE in "God" or you don't. I don't think it is related to illusions or "miracles", but much more to a sense of longing to exist beyond the grave and the hope to see again all those lost love-ones.

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ClassyT,
Thanks much.
Yes It does take faith to believe as a Christian.
Peace and kindness,
Fred

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Originally Posted by Credendovidis

Fred : David Copperfield made an entire Jet airplane disappear on stage, life, with a huge public present - LINK.
Do I BELIEVE that he really made that airplane disappear? Of course not. It was an illusion trick. Not a miracle.

If you saw Jesus work miracles would you believe?
As in David Copperfield's case : what is a miracle? Is it a miracle or an illusion ?

Your question first has to be more specific : what do you qualify as miracle ?
And further : if one does not see a logical explanation for something happening, is that a valid case of miracle?

Next to that : and even if there was a miracle : why that specific conclusion ? Why would one conclude a supra-natural entity to exist for having viewed one or more miracles ?

You BELIEVE in "God" or you don't. I don't think it is related to illusions or "miracles", but much more to a sense of longing to exist beyond the grave and the hope to see again all those lost love-ones.

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Perhaps a miracle has something 'good' for its occurrence, not just to amaze people, but a true reason behind it. :rolleyes::eek::rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Credendovidis

Fred : David Copperfield made an entire Jet airplane disappear on stage, life, with a huge public present - LINK.
Do I BELIEVE that he really made that airplane disappear? Of course not. It was an illusion trick. Not a miracle.

If you saw Jesus work miracles would you believe?
As in David Copperfield's case : what is a miracle? Is it a miracle or an illusion ?

Your question first has to be more specific : what do you qualify as miracle ?
And further : if one does not see a logical explanation for something happening, is that a valid case of miracle?

Next to that : and even if there was a miracle : why that specific conclusion ? Why would one conclude a supra-natural entity to exist for having viewed one or more miracles ?

You BELIEVE in "God" or you don't. I don't think it is related to illusions or "miracles", but much more to a sense of longing to exist beyond the grave and the hope to see again all those lost love-ones.

:)

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Well I believe that Fred asked if you saw JESUS perform a miracle would you believe? One would conclude a supra-natural entity because JESUS said he was GOD and one way he proved it was by performing miracles.

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Originally Posted by Unknown008

Perhaps a miracle has something 'good' for its occurence, not just to amaze people, but a true reason behind it.

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Originally Posted by classyT

Well i believe that Fred asked if you saw JESUS perform a miracle would you believe?

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Perhaps... But how does one define properly what is a "miracle", and in such a way that it is VALID in respect to this topic?

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Originally Posted by classyT

One would conclude a supra-natural entity because JESUS said he was GOD and one way he proved it was by performing miracles.

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That is what the Bible states. But did he, i.e. was that a VALID statement, or do you only BELIEVE that?


:rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Credendovidis

That addition was completely unnecessary ! Indeed you never said that. Nor have you.

:D :D :D :D :D :D

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Rave on Cred. I KNOW what I know.

BTW, how long has it been since you have had a new thought? Your posts seem like you might have a series of comments that you click on & post.

That's just my OPINION of course.

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Originally Posted by Galveston1

Rave on Cred. I KNOW what I know. BTW, how long has it been since you have had a new thought? Your posts seem like you might have a series of comments that you click on & post. That's just my OPINION of course.

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Ahhh : you reacted to my post that referred to your post in which you stated :

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Originally Posted by Galveston1

That is where you err. I have NEVER said I have an open mind, at least on this subject.

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and to which I replied :

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Originally Posted by Credendovidis

That addition was completely unnecessary ! Indeed you never said that. Nor have you.

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But that has nothing to do with miracles and belief!
Do you deny than that you stated that yourself?
Or do you suggest now that you have an open mind?
If anyone is raving here it certainly is not me...

:D :rolleyes: :p :) :rolleyes: :D

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Unknown008,
For all here I define what I mean by a miracle as it is something done for good that is done by super natural means. In other words not a trick and is unexplainable by any means including scientific.
Peace and kindness,
Fred

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Originally Posted by arcura

For all here I define what I mean by a miracle as it is something done for good that is done by super natural means. In other words not a trick and is unexplainable by any means including scientific.

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Dear Fred, you have preset the question now so far that only theists - who already BELIEVE in deities - are asked if they would believe in Jesus if they would see how Jesus would perhaps operate when performing his "miracles".

But most theists already BELIEVE that, so why ask that than to them?
Should you not ask that to those who do NOT BELIEVE in deities and miracles??

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Originally Posted by classyT

Fred,

I have faith and i would believe because of that faith. It doesn't matter if Jesus stood before people today and raised a man from the dead. Some would walk away unbelieving just like they did when he raised Lazarus. Why? because it takes FAITH. It is no different today. We have the written WORD of God which is so utterly awesome I am really without words to describe it. The Lord placed his WORD before his NAME. I can pick up the Word...read what HE says is going to take place in the future and watch it come to pass pretty much before my eyes. How awesome is THAT! But many people shake their heads and laugh.
This is why I don't try to prove anything. I KNOW THAT I KNOW and I will share it. But ultimately it takes faith to come to God or believe in miracles.

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Absolutely agree!

I believe the miracles that Jesus performed in the Bible, but TO ACTUALLY SEE JESUS PERFORM A MIRACLE! - wow, that would be awesome :D




On a lighter note, there miracles in sports [ 69' mets for example ] all the time - just not for the Chicago Cubs :(