Ask Me Help Desk - There never was a Jesus? God?

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Originally Posted by Fr_Chuck

Not a problem at all, knowing the truth is not a problem, are you not closed minded that the world is round ?? since you know that is a fact, well we know that God is real, so denying that would be completely out of line, in fact it is the only reasonable choice.

And knowing one is right and not beleiving anyone else is not saying you can not either accept the fact they will worship different or not at all, or at worst ignore the fact they don't have your beleifs.

A christian that would say another form of worship or beleif would save someones soul is not a christian, since it goes against thier very teachings. And standing up for ones christian beleifs is never wrong.

Hi Fr. Chuck,

I never really labeled myself other then Catholic. I have said many times that I believe all religions that love Our heavenly Father, are roads to God. I love God with all my heart and I don't think he cares what is stamped on our forehead. If a Protestant loves God with all their heart and does their best to stay in His light and do things according to His will
It is my belief that He goes into His loving arms.

Whenever I heard the term Christian, I always thought it was people who believe similar to what I do, but just aren't Catholic.

Someone had asked me if I were Christian and I truly didn't know. I love Jesus Christ and He is in my heart, does that make me a Christian? But if I believe that my Jewish neighbor loves God, and believe that he will receive God's mercy as well, does that make me not a Christian.

I guess I really only need to be referred to as a Child of God.

Sorry, I am just trying to work all this out.

I cannot conceive of a God who rewards and punishes his creatures, or has a will of the kind that we experience in ourselves. Neither can I nor would I want to conceive of an individual that survives his physical death; let feeble souls, from fear or absurd egoism, cherish such thoughts. I am satisfied with the mystery of the eternity of life and with the awareness and a glimpse of the marvelous structure of the existing world, together with the devoted striving to comprehend a portion, be it ever so tiny, of the Reason that manifests itself in nature.
-- Albert Einstein, The World as I See It

It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it.
-- Albert Einstein, 1954, from Albert Einstein: The Human Side, edited by Helen Dukas and Banesh Hoffman, Princeton University Press

Sorry BMI since you put so much stock in Einstein then don't believe in God for he did not later on. You also don't know Mother Terasa at all. She was frustrated because her prays went unanaswered Read it. Some of the people responding here seem a bit close minded. I understand that because I was the same way when I was a christian.

workerbee

I too have cried when my prayers have gone unanswered and have later seen it was for my good.my kids don't alway's get what they want.but it is for there best also.

And please correct me if I'm wrong in all of his genuis was einstein considered crazy??

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Originally Posted by jennyrena

i acually have a great deal of respect for you. i just am strong in my beliefs and i am not doing my job as a christain worth a flip if i don't at least say whats on my heart. the money thing i can see how it's hard to understand , but just like everything else you need money to run it. a building cost money going to other countries to teach the word of god cost money and most churches have outreach programs and need money for that. i am saddend when i see a preacher driving a porche, so i know what you mean. but it would be awful if there were no churches to worship in and no way to feed the people in the cummunities because people would let go of there money. i don't always give my 10 because i don't always have it. but i'm glad to help our outreach program when i can with my money or my time. i haven't veiwed the site and i will to be fair but i wish i had a site for you to veiw. because i can't help it, it's just all so scarry to me. thanks

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It costs money to make money, and the Church's of the world certainly know that. I understand how it is scary even entertaining the thought of there not being a god. Our whole lives have had the imprint of "God" in almost every aspect. This is a quote I enjoy by Kahlil Gibran " Much of your pain is the bitter potion by which the physician within you heals your sick self." So where do we go when the physician within us can not heal our hurting minds/bodies? The majority turn to their faith in God. When someone's child dies, it makes me happy to know that they may not go entirely insane because they believe their child is in a better place.
Or when a Jewish woman was standing in front of a gas chamber holding her daughters hand and said " Its OK, God is watching over us." I think that's a pretty good coping tool, kind of like an injured soldier having a few sticks of morphine on the battle field.
People are born into believing in their religions so they give up nothing in order to have something to pray to when little fluffy runs away from home. In my opinion, I believe people are giving up their sense of free will. They also lose some responsibility for themselves. Money (untaxed) that goes to the most profitable organizations in the free world that gets invested and sees huge profits returned.
They obtain an unnecessary sense of sin, obeying nonsensical dogma, the idea of a "All powerful being" type figure watching everything they do, and a false sense of hope. The threat of burning for eternity. Trusting faith above proved scientific methods.
I would die a thousand painful deaths for there to be a real God. But I tend to incline toward facts and the more likely than the impossible, maybe if religion was less destructive, unprincipled, doctored and decayed I would relax a little more and let my great grand kids deal with the inevitable problems religion brings.
I know I will get a few responses asking " How is religion destructive?" Later. I'm feeling a little A.D.D right now. LOL
They must find it difficult... Those who have taken authority as the truth, rather than truth as the authority - G. Massey Egyptologist

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Originally Posted by ineedhelpfast

hey i really dont have time to watch the video. could someone pleas break it down for me

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This film claims in layman's terms that the "Bible is nothing more than a Astrotheological literary hybrid"
"The Christian religion is a parody on the worship of the Sun in which they put a man called Christ in the place of the sun, and pay him the adoration originally paid to the Sun." The first segment is actually quite short and that is the subject were all avoiding.
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Originally Posted by workerbee

I cannot conceive of a God who rewards and punishes his creatures, or has a will of the kind that we experience in ourselves. Neither can I nor would I want to conceive of an individual that survives his physical death; let feeble souls, from fear or absurd egoism, cherish such thoughts. I am satisfied with the mystery of the eternity of life and with the awareness and a glimpse of the marvelous structure of the existing world, together with the devoted striving to comprehend a portion, be it ever so tiny, of the Reason that manifests itself in nature.
-- Albert Einstein, The World as I See It

It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it.
-- Albert Einstein, 1954, from Albert Einstein: The Human Side, edited by Helen Dukas and Banesh Hoffman, Princeton University Press

Sorry BMI since you put so much stock in Einstein then don't believe in God for he did not later on. You also don't know Mother Terasa at all. She was frustrated becuase her prays went unanaswered Read it. some of the people responding here seem a bit close minded. I understand that because i was the same way when i was a christian.

workerbee

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I enjoyed reading your post. And I learnt something

OMG I knew that the bible and all that was just rubbish.
But just managed to watch all that zeitgeist just shows if people want you to believe something you will why with all that evidence about 9/11 do people still think it was bin laden?
As for a chip I isn't a dog neither are my children and I will never in my life have that.
Great to watch and I will be telling everyone else to watch it

I want to see that video but it is streaming video and with a modem well... I have written to them about downloading I am having problems downloading will keep trying If anyone has and ideas let me know. Thanks

workerbee

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Originally Posted by nicki143

why with all that evidence about 9/11 do people still think it was bin laden?

I didn't watch the whole thing, so I didn't get to the 9/11 part. But if it was presenting evidence that it wasn't an al Qaeda operation, then that negates it even further in my view. There is more than enough evidence that links Al Qaeda to the 9/11 attacks and Bin Laden has taken credit for them.

Bin laden will take credit for it something he wanted to maybe do of course he is going to hold his hands up and say it was me.

Why not watch it all then

Also not being American and not living there does not directly effect me and neither did 9/11 but if you agree with your government killing inocent people for there gain you believe what you want

Bin laden taking credit for it is just one of the pieces of evidence. There is a lot more. I suggest you read more of both sides before believing some conspiracy theorist.

The second segment was good, it raises a lot of undisputed questions but still can come off as right wing Conspiracy theory but undeniably the government is hiding something massive. If anyone ever gets a chance to look more into the London bombings there is far more evidence including agents who came forward.The third segment is about the world bank, the north American union and some really scary truths. And was the most shocking part of the movie.

This is for Workerbee -

You needn't waste your time finding quotes by Einstein and posting them here in order to TRY and prove me wrong. ONCE AGAIN (last time), YOU are not seeing the meaning behind the words in anything you post, AGAIN I mentioned this before, you see what you do based on your beleifs. Of course Mother Teresa is appearing in the form she is to you based on what you believe, which is that no God exists.

Also, what on earth do you know about Mother Teresa pray tell?? Read an article did you? Don't presume to tell people what they do and don't know about unless you are an expert in the field (I'll walk out on a limb here and suggest your not). Strikes me as funny that you chose Einstien to question what I was writing, IF you had read what I said than you would know that Einstein was not the main figure in the argument. Furthermore, I do believe that what he wrote would still indicate a belief in something greater thanhimself, I think you misinterpret what he is saying to conform to your own beleifs (more likely to conform to your argument actually).

IF I were to give any merit to your argument, which I don't, you would still have to research the others I mentioned, or perhaps you did? Please don't try and sway the argument by basing it on things you can find and play with while ignoring other points as well.

Finally, Mother Teresa spoke of her beginning her journey because she was visited/spoken to by God. Lets look at that and TRY to intepret what she might have been faced with. She goes to sleep and is visited by God (or so she beleives) he tells her what he wants from her. She drops her entire life and does what she is told and begins her life as one of the most compassionate and caring women the world has ever known. Over the course of her years she does indeed feel alone and abandoned by whom she thought visited her in her dream. IF one were to have experienced what she had would you not think it normal to feel like this? If God spoke to me today and said BMI, close your business and go help the poor, do it for me. I go, I leave everything behind, I imagine whether I am doing the right thing, am I crazy? Was it God? Imagine having to live with that, of course she would wonder and feel abandoned, if only because she was so close to God(the dream, the fact God chose her) that not experiencing it again was devastating.

I'm not sure this is very clear to be honest with you, it's the best I can do right now. I think you are taking what she is saying and applying it to her not believing in God, which is not true. In fact, to myself and some beleivers, her story is a testament to enduring faith. Her legacy is that of compassion and love, I do believe she would attribute that to the dream she had, if she had no dream would we have ever known of her? I wonder.

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Originally Posted by workerbee

I want to see that video but it is streaming video and with a modem well..... i have written to them about downloading I am having problems downloading will keep trying If anyone has and ideas let me know. Thanks

workerbee

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Go into here, it has just about every documentary ever made.
Click on Documentary (AT the top right of the screen)... then search Z for zeitgeist. Its like a you tube link and buffers fast and should come as the whole film.

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Originally Posted by BMI

This is for Workerbee -

You needn't waste your time finding quotes by Einstein and posting them here in order to TRY and prove me wrong. ONCE AGAIN (last time), YOU are not seeing the meaning behind the words in anything you post, AGAIN I mentioned this before, you see what you do based on your beleifs. Of course Mother Teresa is appearing in the form she is to you based on what you beleive, which is that no God exists.

Also, what on earth do you know about Mother Teresa pray tell???? Read an article did you? Don't presume to tell people what they do and don't know about unless you are an expert in the field (i'll walk out on a limb here and suggest your not). Strikes me as funny that you chose Einstien to question what I was writing, IF you had read what I said than you would know that Einstein was not the main figure in the argument. Furthermore, I do beleive that what he wrote would still indicate a beleif in something greater thanhimself, I think you misinterpret what he is saying to conform to your own beleifs (more likely to conform to your argument actually).

IF I were to give any merit to your argument, which I don't, you would still have to research the others I mentioned, or perhaps you did? Please don't try and sway the argument by basing it on things you can find and play with while ignoring other points as well.

Finally, Mother Teresa spoke of her beginning her journey because she was visited/spoken to by God. Lets look at that and TRY to intepret what she might have been faced with. She goes to sleep and is visited by God (or so she beleives) he tells her what he wants from her. She drops her entire life and does what she is told and begins her life as one of the most compassionate and caring women the world has ever known. Over the course of her years she does indeed feel alone and abandoned by whom she thought visited her in her dream. IF one were to have experienced what she had would you not think it normal to feel like this? If God spoke to me today and said BMI, close your business and go help the poor, do it for me. I go, i leave everything behind, I imagine whether I am doing the right thing, am I crazy? was it God? Imagine having to live with that, of course she would wonder and feel abandoned, if only b/c she was so close to God(the dream, the fact God chose her) that not experiencing it again was devastating.

I'm not sure this is very clear to be honest with you, its the best i can do right now. I think you are taking what she is saying and applying it to her not beleiving in God, which is not true. In fact, to myself and some beleivers, her story is a testament to enduring faith. Her legacy is that of compassion and love, I do beleive she would attribute that to the dream she had, if she had no dream would we have ever known of her? I wonder.

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And what is your interpretation of what Einstein said?

Would you like an interpretation of every person I mentioned earlier as well? I gave my account for Mother Teresa, I'm not going to interpret that particular phrase for Einstein as I could easily post quotes from him saying he does indeed believe in a God, actually anyone can see but perhaps not agree that even this quote suggests he believes in something bigger than himself. Nature, again, in historical thought, is believed to be one with God, the essence that is. Einstein believed in the laws and nature of the world, gravity keeps us here, etc. He could not explain these things through science (none can or have) and so that was his basis (in very,very basic form) for his belief in something that may have created these laws of nature.

It also must be said that I have no idea how it was perceived that I am some type of expert on Einstein, in fact, I know a lot more about the idea of God through Plato's works as well as Socrates. It was Workerbee's assumption and misinterpretation of what I wrote that brought on this Einstein business. I've done my best to explain the theory of what is being said, sure you can pick at it, go ahead. Although, remember, as a beleiver I would be more likely to think you misinterpret a lot of what is being said based on that fact, you don't believe. Alternatively, you may think I'm out to lunch on a lot of what I speak of because of the fact I believe and you do not.

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Originally Posted by ScottGem

Bin laden taking credit for it is just one of the pieces of evidence. There is a lot more. I suggest you read more of both sides before believing some conspiracy theorist.

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There is evidence following 9/11 that Bin laden denied he ever orchestrated the attacks.
He was also used as a scape goat for many other "red flag" type ops. There is no doubt he had ties to the CIA, and many more unanswered coincidences.
But you are right, we don't know anything for sure. I do hope one day we get to the bottom of this, especially the pentagon questions. I remember the speculation being so high that they decided to release a tape of a plane going into it. LOL, there was no plane. Why did they not release the video from the gas station that was pointing at the pentagon? Its funny America can't get water to New Orleans or fighter jets to a city, but the FBI were @ that gas station within minutes of the pentagon attack retrieving the real video, and are now keeping it in their closet. The America elect love to spread fear and give motive for their lovely peace work in Iraq, so why keep your approval ratings down? Release the video! They also cleaned up the lawn as fast as they could then had trucks come in and cover up any remaining evidence with landscape asap Etc... And how did building 7 get pulled? It does go on and on and on. I take conspiracies with a full tablespoon of salt. But when the shoe doesn't fit but it has your full name on it I'm going to ask questions. When my X cheated on me something wasn't adding up, I asked a question and got a lie, I asked another and I got no answer. I asked to see her phone and she refused, all answerable questions with no answers she committed a terrorist attack on our relationship. I dumped her and elected a honest hot blond to be the new president of Greg.

Lol... new president of Greg... I like that.

I agree with the Americans covering up 9/11, although I don't think the comparison to whether a God exists is the same thing. Same basis, different take altogether.

Do you guys really think that "elite" people(s) of the world are privy to all the mysteries in the world? That's the problemwith conspiracy theories and the like, SOMEBODY has to know something, I doubt ANY human being has or ever has had direct knowledge, evidence, proof that God does or does not exist. DO the Americans know the truth behind 9/11, I think so, do they know who killed Kennedy, probably. Does George W, in his teeny tiny head know that God does or does not exist based on information only he and a secret few are privy to, I highly doubt it. Same goes for Area 51 and all that jazz, do they know of life on other planets,do they know the history of Earth and the origins of man? Do they have information pertaining to that,information we don't have, again, I doubt it.

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Originally Posted by BMI

Would you like an interpretation of every person I mentioned earlier as well? I gave my account for Mother Teresa, I'm not going to interpret that particular phrase for Einstein as I could easily post quotes from him saying he does indeed believe in a God, actually anyone can see but perhaps not agree that even this quote suggests he believes in something bigger than himself. Nature, again, in historical thought, is believed to be one with God, the essence that is. Einstein believed in the laws and nature of the world, gravity keeps us here, etc. He could not explain these things through science (none can or have) and so that was his basis (in very,very basic form) for his belief in something that may have created these laws of nature.

It also must be said that I have no idea how it was perceived that I am some type of expert on Einstein, in fact, I know a lot more about the idea of God through Plato's works as well as Socrates. It was Workerbee's assumption and misinterpretation of what I wrote that brought on this Einstein business. I've done my best to explain the theory of what is being said, sure you can pick at it, go ahead.

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I've enjoyed your comments in the room, if everybody agreed it would be too much like church. Worker Bee only corrected a statement you made you seem to agree with regards to Mother Theressa. I'm sure having seen what she saw she questioned her faith at points. But, its all irrelevant speculated history anyway.

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Although, remember, as a beleiver I would be more likely to think you misinterpret a lot of what is being said based on that fact, you don't believe. Alternatively, you may think I'm out to lunch on a lot of what I speak of because of the fact I believe and you do not.

If this were true you would have to be speaking another language, I have the ability to understand logic. If you have the ability to communicate using logical sentences then we can have a conversation. This is not the Bible, I think misinterpretations are more led by the writer and not so much the reader. Debate is welcome here, arguing is not. Arguing gets threads closed, and I'm enjoying my office coffees far too much now to have this conversation end due to temperament.

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I doubt ANY human being has or ever has had direct knowledge, evidence, proof that God does or does not exist.

That is what is so compelling about zeitgeist, it really brings that to question. For some it brings more.

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Originally Posted by Greg Quinn

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I remember the speculation being so high that they decided to release a tape of a plane going into it. LOL, there was no plane.

Not to turn this into a 9/11 debate or anything, but I personally know someone who was on 395 when the plane hit - he saw it fly past his window. There was a plane.

And by temperament you are suggesting mine correct?

1. Workerbee need not correct my statement for no error exists within it, if a misunderstanding occurred than fine.

2. I disagree with the misinterpretation caused by the writer, the writer would be more likely to understand what he/she is writing, the reader less likely to comprehend based on perspective. If clarification is in order, than so be it.

The rest I agree with:P

BMI, iwas just trying to tell you that einstein was not a believer, that's all. The Mother terasa thing was on TV when it came out. That's where I heard those things but you know better than her preist friend, incredible. If you can put a spin on those quotes then there is no hope for you. Your mind is blocked. Einstein says in one quote that he does not blieve in a personal God. How much plainer can you make it. You wrote "Strikes me as funny that you chose Einstien to question what I was writing" I think you brought him up in the first place. As far as proving God is concerned you close yourself to that as well. You have to base belief on something Without any proof come problems that's how religions like scientology get started. No proof needed but many believe it. I don't care what you want to believe just trying to set the record straight

workerbee