Cred,
Pascal's wager does not bother me at all.
I KNOW the God I believe in exists.
That is all I need. I need no wagers.
Peace and kindness,
Fred

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Originally Posted by arcura

I KNOW the God I believe in exists.

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You call that "know" but it is no more than what you BELIEVE to be.
Of course you may EXPERIENCE that as knowing...

Have a nice day too, Fred !

John

:)

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Cred,
I said that I KNOW God exists.
God proved that to me.
Fred

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Originally Posted by arcura

I said that I KNOW God exists. God proved that to me.

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Dear Fred,

As I stated in "God is amazing" :

You say that you KNOW that God exixts.
But you do not KNOW that, dear Fred. You BELIEVE that.
And that is the reason why you keep repeating that you know, but keep failing to provide the OSE to prove that what you claim to know is anything more than what you actually BELIEVE!!

From me you may BELIEVE anything you want, and assume that personally as a fact.
But it only becomes a fact as in factual / reality as soon as you provide OSE for that.

And remember : it is not I who needs to prove anything, dear Fred.
I do not claim anything. I ask you to support that what you claim to be factual with OSE.
And as long as you do not do that, all you claim to "know" is what you BELIEVE.

:)

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Cred,
I disagree.
Please do NOT try to tell me that I don't know.
I tell you I do know that God exists
I know what I know, but YOU can believe as you wish.
Peace and kindness,
Fred

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Originally Posted by arcura

Please do NOT try to tell me that I don't know.
I tell you I do know that God exists.

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No Fred : you BELIEVE that. If you really KNEW (as in "fact/factual"), you would post about that knowledge...

:)

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Cred,
NO!!
I know that God exists.
He proved it to me.
I'm sorry that you can not understand that.
Fred

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Originally Posted by arcura

Cred, NO!!! I know that God exists. He proved it to me.

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Dear Fred : that is no proof. That is some personal confirmation based on what you believe, and how your belief influences your thinking.

Of course as I have said so many times, you may BELIEVE that, but that does not make it reality. If it was reality, you could OSE prove that whatever happened to you could ONLY be caused by "God".
But you can't do that. Because your claims on "God" and "God's" actions are all based on BELIEF and on nothing else.

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Originally Posted by arcura

I'm sorry that you can not understand that

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I understand what you say, Fred. I just do not agree with what you say.

I do not know why you are so persistent with that "I know".
It seems to show that you find that the general meaning of "TO BELIEVE" is something inferior to your experience, which you call "TO KNOW".
I see that often also with other Christians who use the term "faith" as some more valuable format of "to believe".

Religion is based on BELIEF, Fred. On nothing but BELIEF.
You may - like you do - give it any other name, but it remains just BELIEF !

:rolleyes:

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How do you know the right god proved it to you?
By proving it to you didn't this god take away your free will to not worship him and if he can take away your free will why not prove it to all of us?
How do you know your not being fooled by some minor god?
Some god that wants to take you away from the truth?
If you say because you know, are you really so sure of yourself that you think you couldn't be fooled by a god even a minor one?
What about the other people who know there god exists and were told to do something completely different are they making it up?
Isn't it just as likely that there is no god and your believe is simply a by product of evolution and culture?

As ever the thread has become circular again

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