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  • Apr 8, 2009, 08:31 PM
    Tj3
    Quote:
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    The books have been inspired and written. That part is done. Who then decided which books and mss., of all that were floating around, were the inspired Scriptures?
    So, let me get this straight. God could inspired the books, but was completely helpless in deciding which books should be part of scripture.

    So then how did He know which books to inspire?
  • Apr 8, 2009, 08:31 PM
    JoeT777
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    Tom, et al:

    If ‘Standards’ are critical for assessing truth, then why must there only be One ‘Standard’. I say this considering that In the past you’ve asserted that one faith was as good as another (excluding Catholicism of course). Why not Catholicism as the One Faith. After commissioning Peter and the Church Christ prayed “And not for them only do I pray…That they all may be one, as thou, Father, in me, and I in thee; that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.”(John 17:20 seq) Is it not the prayer of Christ that we be ONE. If we were ONE after Christ rose from the dead, after the Temple was destroyed, after Constantine made Catholicism the state religion, after St. Thomas and after several hundred Vicars of Christ why then do we need to be the Tom’s one standard?

    JoeT

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    Do you mean why won't adding man's words (denominational teachings, adding books to the Bible, etc.) to God work? Because they are man's words not God's.
    You tell me, you’re the one that suggested that there must be only ONE ‘Standard’. I merely paraphrased your words so I could ask the question.

    JoeT
  • Apr 8, 2009, 08:33 PM
    Wondergirl
    Quote:
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    So, let me get this straight. God could inspired the books, but was completely helpless in deciding which books should be part of scripture.

    So then how did He know which books to inspire?
    My question is who decided which books to include in the canon that we use today?
  • Apr 8, 2009, 08:33 PM
    Tj3
    Quote:
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    My question is who decided which books to include in the canon that we use today?
    God. Clear enough for you?

    How many different times and different ways must I say it.
  • Apr 8, 2009, 08:33 PM
    JoeT777
    Quote:
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    Because, unlike the New Age teachers, Christianity believes that there is one truth, not many conflicting truths.



    Not only have I NEVER said that, I also have frequently spoken against such a belief. Interesting how people choose to mis-represent when the facts don't go their way.
    Oh, yes you did, in 2004

    JoeT
  • Apr 8, 2009, 08:35 PM
    Wondergirl
    Quote:
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    God. Clear enough for you?

    How many different times and different ways must I say it.
    Who was inspired by God to include Revelation but not the Gospel of Thomas?
  • Apr 8, 2009, 08:35 PM
    Tj3
    Quote:
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    Oh, yes you did, in 2004

    JoeT
    Show us the link.

    Joe, are we going to go down this road again? Must you lie?
  • Apr 8, 2009, 08:36 PM
    Tj3
    Quote:
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    Who was inspired by God to include Revelation but not the Gospel of Thomas?
    Many people. Do I know all the names, and where they lived? Do I care and if so why?
  • Apr 8, 2009, 08:37 PM
    Wondergirl
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    Many people. Do I know all the names, and where they lived? Do I care and if so why?
    Yes, you should care and know. This is important history.
  • Apr 8, 2009, 08:38 PM
    Tj3
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    Yes, you should care and know. This is important history.
    Really? Then you should go study it. I am satisfied to know that God is the source.
  • Apr 8, 2009, 08:39 PM
    JoeT777
    Quote:
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    God. Clear enough for you?

    How many different times and different ways must I say it.
    Does it say that in Scripture? Does it list the books? Where does it say that the Holy Spirit will bring us different Truths and we're to be tolerant of our individual faiths ? And how do we all have different individual faiths and still be One as John 17 requires. How many different 'standards' are there?
  • Apr 8, 2009, 08:41 PM
    Tj3
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by JoeT777 View Post
    Does it say that in Scripture? Does it list the books?
    Are you questioning or judging the Bible?

    Quote:
    Where does it say that the Holy Spirit will bring us different Truths and we're to be tolerant of our individual faiths ?
    Yes, where does it say that?

    Quote:
    And how do we all have different individual faiths and still be One as John 17 requires. How many different 'standards' are there?
    One standard. One faith.
  • Apr 8, 2009, 08:42 PM
    JoeT777
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Tj3 View Post
    Really? Then you should go study it. I am satisfied to know that God is the source.
    Do we have a 'standard' history according to Tom? I must’ve missed that verse.
  • Apr 8, 2009, 08:46 PM
    Tj3
    Quote:
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    Do we have a 'standard' history according to Tom? I must've missed that verse.
    Ah so now after mis-representation, then the lie, now it is going after me personally.

    How about dealing with the issue, Joe, or is that just too hard?
  • Apr 8, 2009, 08:46 PM
    JoeT777
    Quote:
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    Are you questioning or judging the Bible?



    Yes, where does it say that?



    One standard. One faith.
    I'm not judging Scripture; I've got an authority over me to validate the meaning for me. I'm questioning the gospels according to Tom.

    Where in Scripture does it say "one standard".
  • Apr 8, 2009, 08:47 PM
    Wondergirl
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by JoeT777 View Post
    Do we have a 'standard' history according to Tom? I must’ve missed that verse.
    He'll never admit who sat around and were inspired to select the books that made it into the Bible.
  • Apr 8, 2009, 08:51 PM
    Tj3
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Wondergirl View Post
    He'll never admit who sat around and were inspired to select the books that made it into the Bible.
    What is more important - Who? Or the fact that God inspired the Bible?

    Clearly we have two different views as to what is important.
  • Apr 8, 2009, 08:53 PM
    JoeT777

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Wondergirl View Post
    He'll never admit who sat around and were inspired to select the books that made it into the Bible.
    Tom dosen't even admit his own words.

    JoeT
  • Apr 8, 2009, 08:54 PM
    JoeT777
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Tj3 View Post
    What is more important - Who? Or the fact that God inspired the Bible?

    Clearly we have two different views as to what is important.
    It’s very important, especially if it going to deal with the disposition of my eternal soul.
  • Apr 8, 2009, 09:02 PM
    Tj3
    Quote:
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    It’s very important, especially if it going to deal with the disposition of my eternal soul.
    My faith for my salvation is in God's word and in my Saviour Jesus Christ, not in the men that God inspired.

    Choose as you wish.

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