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Originally Posted by marriaget

THERE IS NO PROOF THAT THERE IS A GOD.
NO PROOF. NO PROOF. NO TRUE REAL PROOF.
HE IS SOMETHING YOU CAN BELIEVE IN.

No one knows how anything started in the world, thats why there is the evolution theory.....the Big Bang theory....and the god thing.

No proof of god. I still hope and pray there is a god, if there wasn't it would suck. Sadly there's no proof of a lot of things, too bad.
Stop arguing with me about there is good proof, no there is NO REAL proof.

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Hey, here is a thought. While you are HOPING and PRAYING why not ask GOD? THEN why not pick up the Word and ask him to reveal himself to you in HIS word. If I were on a quest to know if he actually existed I would want to read the word of God myself. The bible is such a cool book. It was written by many different men with different backgrounds but all of it was inspired of God. I can't prove to you that it is truth.AND that there is a GOD. But I think the proof is in the pudding. The Bible and its' prophecies are 100 percent accurate. ( there are SOME things still to be fulfilled) but the ones that have been have been on the money. Cred's only explanation is that it was written after the fact but that is because he is ignorant of the Word. And besides he is on a quest... he THINKS he has the market cornered on wisdom and logic... ( yawn) he posts the same ol sorry stuff over and over. He deosn't realize he thinks like a carnal, fleshly man. But that is his problem.

Take the Jew. If you read about what God said would happen to them and their nation it IS 100 percent accurate. Did you know that Word said that Israel would be destroyed and the people scattered... BUT that Jews would come back into the land again? It took almost 2000 years but it happened. Not ONLY that, but the fact that the Jews even know who they are is a miracle. People scattered all over the earth for almost 2000 years and they never lost their identity. WOW. What are the odds? Then the bible says that Israel would become a nation again in ONE day. Check out what happened on May 14, 1948? The Bible is accurate. I can't get into a science and debate because I am not a science kind of girl.. but I can debate the WORD... it is TRUTH... ABSOLUTE TRUTH. God cannot lie.

If you are on a quest for truth... ask God. Whether you believe he exists or not and then Pick up the Word and find out. Don't listen to Cred... don't even listen to me. LISTEN TO GOD. You know... the ONE I can't PROVE exists. He WILL reveal himself if you ask him to. :)

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Originally Posted by Credendovidis

You seriously suggest that I start debating with you on your list of evolution queries in a topic named "what is truth"??

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Cred, I don't expect you would even try to engage the topic at all. You never have before (not even when you started on thread on that topic), so why start now.

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Tommy : are you out of your mind?? You are the one who attacks almost everyone else when he/she posts anything that can be construed to be off-topic.

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What colour is the sky in your world, Cred?

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My belief? I hold no religious beliefs. And I NEVER claimed that "God" does not exist.

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So you concede that God does exist? Because for years you have argued vehemently against the existence of God.

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Originally Posted by inthebox

Good question.

First question is why does truth matter?

If I do not believe in a God - and believe in only evolution, or the reductionist principal that we are just part of nature or only the product of organic chemicals, one without a soul, why does truth even matter. I would be the result of random chance - all my words, thoughts, and actions are determined by my genes or whatever culture's or society's genes.

We, even those who do not believe in God, believe that truth is good and lies and falsehoods are bad. Why is that?

Which brings another question. Why do we think of things as good and evil or truth or lies?

Do dogs or cats or monkeys or snails think the way we do? Are they concerned about absolute truth?

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Inthebox,

Interesting. I enjoyed your thoughts.

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Originally Posted by inthebox

Do dogs or cats or monkeys or snails think the way we do? Are they concerned about absolute truth?

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Cred,

I figured it out... You are a monkey! THAT is why you don't believe in absolute truth. LOL LOL LOL... (yes, I think I am hilarious.) What can I say GOD gave me a great sense of humor!! :D

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Originally Posted by Tj3

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Originally Posted by credendovidis

My belief? I hold no religious beliefs. And I NEVER claimed that "God" does not exist.

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So you concede that God does exist? Because for years you have argued vehemently against the existence of God.

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More innuendo? More deliberate mis-suggestions ?

As I stated in my previous posts to you :

"My belief? I hold no religious beliefs. And I NEVER claimed that "God" does not exist. You are fully aware of that, and therefore your question is a lie, it is hypocrite, and it is innuendo.

I have stated here and in other topics on this board many times : the existence of "God" has never been proved so far, and I do not think it ever will. Therefore there is no need to prove the negative : the non-existence of "God".
Besides that : I have no need to prove that negative. I accept that people BELIEVE that "God" exists, and respect their views. All I refute are the wild claims that the BELIEF in the existence of "God" is a reality.".

That I never claimed that "God" does not exist does not mean that I concede that "God" exists. As you very well know I ignore the wild religious claim as that "God" exists.

Now please stop posting your BS , start getting on-topic, and react on the topic question : "What is truth"?

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Originally Posted by Credendovidis

As I stated in my previous posts to you :

"[I]My belief? I hold no religious beliefs. And I NEVER claimed that "God" does not exist. You are fully aware of that, and therefore your question is a lie, it is hypocrite, and it is innuendo.

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Cred,

My memory is not so bad as you assume. I have watched and read your messages for years, so we know that you have promoted the belief that there is no God.

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I have stated here and in other topics on this board many times : the existence of "God" has never been proved so far, and I do not think it ever will.

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I am positive that unless you change your approach, the existence of God will never be proved to your satisfaction because you refuse to look at or consider any evidence put before you. That alone is evidence that you believe that there is no God and refuse to consider the possibility that God exists. Indeed it appears that you fear the possibility that God may exist.

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Originally Posted by classyT

Cred, i figured it out....You are a monkey! THAT is why you don't believe in absolute truth.

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It's not that I don't believe in absolute truth : seeing the total lack of OSE there is no "absolute truth" !

As to your suggestion that I am a monkey :

I have no court record that needs to get expunged...
I do not require the use of smartmouth...
I doubt that my ashes will require more than one single urn...
I do not need to slim my butt...
I do not have a problem with twitching...
I did not favor McCaine...
I have nothing against Roman Catholics. I am married to one already 39 years...
I think calling a sewage plant after George W. Bush is an excellent way to remember him...
I am not 15 pounds overweight...

So why should I be called a monkey ?
When was the last time you looked in a mirror ?
And do you like my type of reverse-humor?

:D :D :D :D :D :D

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Originally Posted by Tj3

My memory is not so bad as you assume. I have watched and read you messages for years, so we know that you have promioted the belief that there is no God.

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Another one of your lies, Tommy ! Is lying now included in your "package" to force your religious views through other people's throats? Is lying now a standard fixed part of your personal version of "spreading the word"?

Are the people of the Christian Discernment Resources, the Last Days Bible Conference, and the Signs of Scripture Conference aware that lying seems to be a big part of your approach ?
I think I should post to these three organisations and provide them with some information of your "develish" unChristian behavior.

So : for the umpteenth time : will you now return to the topic, to the question : "What is truth" ?

So far all you have shown here is what "truth" is not...

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Originally Posted by Credendovidis

Another one of your lies, Tommy !

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Same old, same old, Cred. Denial and falsely accusing others is the standard line with you.

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Are the people of the Christian Discernment Resources, the Last Days Bible Conference, and the Signs of Scripture Conference aware that lying seems to be a big part of your approach ?

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Why don't you email then with your accusations? Or are you afraid of being found out.

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I think I should post to these three organisations and provide them with some information of your "develish" unChristian behavior.

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I think that you should indeed!

Of course I bet you don't because you know what the truth is!

Monkeys and apes are, like us, big into fairness issues. For example, capuchin monkeys will turn down a food treat if they feel they are getting ripped off.

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Pairs [of monkeys] were placed next to each other and trained to exchange with human handlers a small granite rock within 60 seconds to receive a reward, in most cases, a piece of cucumber.

... Partners of capuchins who made the swap either received the same reward (a cucumber slice), or a better reward (a grape, a more desirable food), for the same amount of work or, in some cases, for performing no work at all.

... Brosnan said the response to the unequal treatment was astonishing: Capuchins who witnessed unfair treatment and failed to benefit from it often refused to conduct future exchanges with human researchers, would not eat the cucumbers they received for their labors, and in some cases, hurled food rewards at human researchers.

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Monkeys Show Sense Of Fairness, Study Says

I'm proud of my primate heritage. :)

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Originally Posted by Credendovidis

It's not that I don't believe in absolute truth : seeing the total lack of OSE there is no "absolute truth" !

As to your suggestion that I am a monkey :

I have no court record that needs to get expunged ...
I do not require the use of smartmouth ...
I doubt that my ashes will require more than one single urn ...
I do not need to slim my butt ...
I do not have a problem with twitching ...
I did not favor McCaine ...
I have nothing against Roman Catholics. I am married to one already 39 years ...
I think calling a sewage plant after George W. Bush is an excellent way to remember him ...
I am not 15 pounds overweight ...

So why should I be called a monkey ?
When was the last time you looked in a mirror ?
And do you like my type of reverse-humor?

:D :D :D :D :D :D

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LOL LOL LOL... ooooh cred. You sure did get the GOODS on me! I DID like your reverse humor! Why should I call you a monkey?. because I think there is OSE that you are. But I won't hold that against ALL monkeys.. just you!

P.s. I'm disappointed you forgot to add the Montezuma's revenge to my list of problems... oh well. I forgive you for not being completely right... you haven't been yet.

That is vary to just because some one believes one thing doesn't mean we all do but I have a question for all of you that see this I live with my mom and I hate it there because I have never had the oprtouedy to be with my dad and I won't to move with him so what would I have to do and how old would I have to be to do this

Jeez people.

Well, how could I ask him to appear before me? I mean, then of COURSE I would believe him... I mean I want to talk to him... and ask questions... and other stuff... this world is so weird, and everything is so amazing. I wish one day, I could see&talk to him... or her or whatever god is lol.

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I don't know what to believe...
I guess I don't believe it till I see it.

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Originally Posted by classyT

I'm disappointed you forgot to add the Montezuma's revenge to my list of problems...

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The sh*t was already covered in the line about calling a sewage plant after George W. Bush...
No need to overdo it !

:D :D :D :D :D :D

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Originally Posted by Tj3

Same old, same old, Cred. Denial and falsely accusing others is the standard line with you.

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The difference between us is that I always support my references. You just lie about it. You just blow hot air...

What a sad person you must be...

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Originally Posted by marriaget

jeez people.

well, how could I ask him to appear before me? I mean, then of COURSE I would believe him...I mean I want to talk to him...and ask questions....and other stuff.....this world is so weird, and everything is so amazing. I wish one day, I could see&talk to him...or her or whatever god is lol.

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God came to earth as a man, God gave us His word in the form of the Bible, and He has opened a way for all of us to be reconciled to Him and to talk with Him.

What are you waiting for?

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Originally Posted by Credendovidis

The difference between us is that I always support my references. You just lie about it. You just blow hot air ...

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Really Cred? The record on this and the last board was the reverse. I will be most interested to see you actually validate a claim.

My suggestion to you - don't talk about it - just do it!

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Originally Posted by Tj3

Really Cred? The record on this and the last board was the reverse. I will be most interested to see you actually validate a claim.

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Always lying. Always hypocrisy. Always a Pharisee... And all that apparently in the name of "spreading the word"...

No wonder Atheism is growing worldwide...

The topic is named : "What is truth?" What you post Tj3 is certainly NOT the truth...

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Originally Posted by Credendovidis

Always lying. Always hypocrisy. Always a Pharisee .... And all that apparently in the name of "spreading the word" ....

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Hey Cred, in your last post you said that you always validate your claims - I see no validation of your false accusations here. You just proved me right!

BTW, have you sent emails to LDBC and CDR yet?

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Originally Posted by Tj3

I see no validation of your false accusations here.

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You may BELIEVE that. You may not have seen that.
But everyone else following this lead has seen it.
They have seen who is the bullsh*tter here and who is not.

They also have seen that I repeatedly tried to get the discussion back on-topic, and you are the one who - seeing your posts - refuses to do so.

All that this all shows is that whatever the truth is, it will not come from your posts...

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