Ask Me Help Desk - How can you convince someone to believe in God?

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Originally Posted by sawsall02

But people don't want to be accountable, or have a God telling them what to do.

I consider myself accountable for my actions. No god tells me what to do. Does your god tell you all the actions you do and thoughts you have?

Sawsall. Please stop using the stupid comments feature to reply.

Also, could you please be a little respectful of the beliefs of others? Not everyone believes as you do.

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Originally Posted by NeedKarma

I consider myself accountable for my actions. No god tells me what to do. Does your god tell you all the actions you do and thoughts you have?

Apparently his god told him that he wants his wife's "kitty" shaved. :p

And STOP using the stupid comments feature to reply!!!!

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Originally Posted by J_9

Apparently his god told him that he wants his wife's "kitty" shaved. :p

Totally against what the bible says. I see he and his wife are cafeteria christians.

Let's talk about whatever You want J9! However your avoiding the issue! And your sinning before a Holy and Righteous God! TUT, you are getting closer.

By the way, Why did you delete my last answer J9? Can't or don't want to know the truth?

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Originally Posted by sawsall02

Let's talk about whatever You want J9! However your avoiding the issue! And your sinning before a Holy and Righteous God! TUT, you are getting closer.

How about you answer my question from post 161?

*Puts Broom Away*

Be careful with what you post as I'm watching ;)

I thought we ALL sinned before a MERCIFUL God?

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Originally Posted by sawsall02

Let's talk about whatever You want J9! However your avoiding the issue! And your sinning before a Holy and Righteous God! TUT, you are getting closer.

That only matters if you BELIEVE in that god.

I don't believe in your god. Or rather, I don't believe that your god is the ONLY god.

I'm NOT CHRISTIAN.

You haven't convinced me of anything in this thread---EXCEPT that I'm truly glad I got away from Christianity as soon as I graduated from high school. I'm glad that I don't have to deal with people as fanatic as you when I am worshipping my deity. I'm glad that I don't EXPECT others to worship as I do, and glad that there are truly wonderful people out there of ALL religions who don't EXPECT me to worship as they do.

Actually, all you have done in this entire thread is make me CELEBRATE that I am NOT a Christian, Sawsall. Of all of the religious people I have ever encountered, it is generally Christians that make me feel like they are rabid dogs that are just waiting to bite me to infect me with their fanatic disease.

Good job bringing people to the flock of Christianity (sarcasm). I can't speak for everyone of other religions following this thread, but I can state that for myself--you've pushed me even further away from your beliefs because you have no tolerance for the beliefs of anyone else.

What was your question again, NeedKarma? I don't know how to find post #161.

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Originally Posted by sawsall02

What was your question again, NeedKarma? I don't know how to find post #161.

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SouthAmerica, God is Merciful yes, This is why he sent his son into the world to die for us. But remember, he is, and has to be JUST. Let me ask this, If There is NO God, how do we know what's JUST? Is it what Needkarma says is JUST? Or Synnen? No offense to people that think they can do right, but to what standard? God has instilled these values in us,in our hearts. What this comes down to is do we want to believe in a God that has perfect values and is JUST. Or, Make ourselves into our own God's. For this is Idolotry! We want to do thing's our own way and pretend there is no God. But he does exist, and EVERY knee will bow, to a Holy and Righteous God! We will be accountable for everything we say or do. But if we put are faith solely on Jesus, His Blood will cleanse us of all sin. And make us Righteous before God. I know what most of you will say to this. But I will prove that the Christian faith is the one and only true faith.

So if it wasn't for your true faith you woudn't know not to kill people or rape children?

:)

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Originally Posted by NeedKarma

I consider myself accountable for my actions. No god tells me what to do. Does your god tell you all the actions you do and thoughts you have?

Sorry NeedKarma, No! God gives us "free will". However we will be accountable for what we think, say, or do. Unbelievers at "The Great White Throne Judgement" , and believers at "Christ's Judgement Seat".

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Originally Posted by sawsall02

Sorry NeedKarma, No! God gives us "free will".

But you said:

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But people don't want to be accountable, or have a God telling them what to do.

So does god tell you what to do or doesn't he/she?

Sawsall, the strength of a real Christian evangelist is to be willing to go to where others are in their beliefs and start from that point, rather than bludgeon them with his own version of truth. So far, all you are doing is bludgeoning.

And yes, I'm a Christian, so don't bother bludgeoning me.

Out of all the religions in the World, Christianity can be proven to be the one true religion. Jesus, for example had hundreds of Prophesies fulfilled about himself. He is the ONLY founder out of all the different religions in the World to still be alive. Where are all of the other founders? In the grave. Christ was the only one that could defeat even death.

I challenge anyone to disprove Christianity!

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Originally Posted by sawsall02

I challenge anyone to disprove Christianity!

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Originally Posted by sawsall02

SouthAmerica, God is Merciful yes, This is why he sent his son into the world to die for us. But remember, he is, and has to be JUST. Let me ask this, If There is NO God, how do we know what's JUST? Is it what Needkarma says is JUST? or Synnen? No offense to people that think they can do right, but to what standard? God has instilled these values in us,in our hearts. What this comes down to is do we want to believe in a God that has perfect values and is JUST. Or, Make ourselves into our own God's. For this is Idolotry! We want to do thing's our own way and pretend there is no God. But he does exist, and EVERY knee will bow, to a Holy and Righteous God! We will be accountable for everything we say or do. But if we put are faith solely on Jesus, His Blood will cleanse us of all sin. And make us Righteous before God. I know what most of you will say to this. But I will prove that the Christian faith is the one and only true faith.

Hate to point this out to you so publicly, but apparently you've never researched any other religion to know it:

ALL religions have nearly the same basic moral standards. Every last one of them says killing is bad, and that stealing is bad, and that you should honor your elders. Nearly all religions say that rape is bad (whether you phrase it as not taking something against someone's free will or you phrase it as not coveting what is not yours, they say the same thing). Nearly all religions that humanity follows have the SAME BASIC RULES for respecting others and living in peace.

Your god doesn't have a corner on the market for morality.

So sorry to break that to you so publicly, but you just do not understand that you are preaching intolerance, not love. You don't understand that while you may believe in only one god, not everyone believes in that same god--and the only way we can live in peace is to respect each others' religious teachings.

But it's really hard to respect you when you won't even ACKNOWLEDGE that you don't KNOW--you only BELIEVE.

O.K. Wondergirl, your probably right. But even if these people hear the truth, only God will turn them from there sins, by sending his Holy Spirit.

NeedKarma, Yes he gives us his word found in the Holy Bible. Does this answer the question?

Remember people I can't type! Be patient while I hunt and peck! LOL.

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Originally Posted by sawsall02

Out of all the religions in the World, Christianity can be proven to be the one true religion. Jesus, for example had hundreds of Prophesies fulfilled about himself. He is the ONLY founder out of all the different religions in the World to still be alive. Where are all of the other founders? In the grave. Christ was the only one that could defeat even death.

I challenge anyone to disprove Christianity!

REALLY? The ONLY one that can be PROVEN? I haven't seen "proof" YET!

And he's still alive? I mean, I heard he rose from the grave, but zombies do that too. He DIED. He's not any more alive than Gilgamesh. Or Osiris. Or the Horned God that dies every year to renew the world. Or Adonis, Persephone, Orpheus, Mithras, Tammuz, Krishna, Odin, Ishtar, or Inanna.

In fact, nearly all of your Christian myths are based on much older myths, and nearly all of your traditions are "borrowed" from other, older religions.

You have "proved" nothing to me---other than that you're a fanatic who doesn't even understand your own religion and how it relates to other religions.

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Originally Posted by sawsall02

O.K. Wondergirl, your probably right. But even if these people hear the truth, only God will turn them from there sins, by sending his Holy Spirit.

See, there you go again -- bludgeoning. If only I could give you a short course in how to do mission work... but you'd probably bludgeon even me.

Why can't you see that you are turning people off, rather than on, to God and Christianity? That is the worst kind of evangelizing and not what your God wants from you, to be such a poor witness. By turning people off to God and Christianity, you are doing the exact opposite of what you should be doing. Shame on you!

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Originally Posted by sawsall02

NeedKarma, Yes he gives us his word found in the Holy Bible. Does this answer the question?

No it doesn't. You dance around posting oft-used standard preaching phrases but it never seems to directly answer a question. Oh well...

Synnen, While many claim to be God's or Goddess's, they are only human, and they die. Christ, however was not only fully human, but fully God as well. Thus, a person of the Godhead. See Hebrews 1:3 (NIV).

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Originally Posted by sawsall02

Out of all the religions in the World, Christianity can be proven to be the one true religion. Jesus, for example had hundreds of Prophesies fulfilled about himself. He is the ONLY founder out of all the different religions in the World to still be alive. Where are all of the other founders? In the grave. Christ was the only one that could defeat even death.

I challenge anyone to disprove Christianity!

You still don't get it, do you. I can no more "disprove" Christianity, than you can prove it. Just as I can't prove Judaism, Islam, Hindu, etc. But then you can't disprove them either. Religion is a matter of faith and belief, NOT fact, NOT truth. Until you understand that you are going to be nothing more than a fanatic.

And where is Christ still alive? He may have risen from the dead, but not to be alive as we we know it. So there is another of your arguments that is just plain ridiculous.

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Originally Posted by sawsall02

Synnen, While many claim to be God's or Goddess's, they are only human, and they die. Christ, however was not only fully human, but fully God as well. Thus, a person of the Godhead. See Hebrews 1:3 (NIV).

Oh really?

You're telling me that MY god, the Horned One, who is killed every year and reborn is dead, or just human?

Or that the Hindu god Krishna is nothing but a human?

Based on YOUR guidelines, Jesus was only human too.

Do you even know ANYTHING about any other religion?

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Originally Posted by sawsall02

TUT, you are getting closer.

Hi Sawsall,

I'm not sure what you mean by 'getting closer' I thought I handled the thermodynamics debate rather poorly. I would do it differently if I had to do the whole thing again. But thanks anyway.

Tut

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Originally Posted by sawsall02

By the way, Why did you delete my last answer J9? Can't or don't want to know the truth?

I didn't delete your answer hypocrite, an Administrator did because you misused the comments feature. ;)

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Originally Posted by J_9

I didn't delete your answer hypocrite, an Administrator did because you misused the comments feature. ;)

We are all Hypocrites before God!

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Originally Posted by sawsall02

We are all Hypocrites before God!

Speak for yourself!

J9, Why did you come to this post? Have I heard anything from you about whether God exist's or not? No, seems like you came to pick a fight! So Leave!

I don't believe god exists. No, you have no authority to tell anyone on this site to leave a thread.

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Originally Posted by sawsall02

No, seems like you came to pick a fight! So Leave!

I believe you are unclear about how internet forums work. This isn't like your church - all views are accepted.

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Originally Posted by NeedKarma

I believe you are unclear about how internet forums work. This isn't like your church - all views are accepted.

To add, while we may not agree with someone's view, we try to respect their right to have that view. This is what you have not exhibited throughout this thread. If anyone should leave, it would be you. Not that I'm telling you to leave, as noted you have a right to post here as long as you follow our rules. Just as we have the right to express out views and show what a zealot and fanatic fool you are. In some cases I would admire someone who is sticking to their guns and continuing to defend their position. But in your case, your positions is mostly unsupportable. The rug has been pulled out of most of your arguments time and time again.

Wondergirl, I am brandishing a spiritual sword, not a physical one.

As Christians we should defend the faith. Although I ask myself at times, how would Christ handle this? I think after enough, he would turn them over to their sins.

So with that, I will leave this thread and look at other questions.

Good-bye all.

Wondergirl, God Bless You!

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Originally Posted by sawsall02

I think after enough, he would turn them over to their sins.

He likely wouldn't. You might want to re-read this thread and see for yourself how many sins you have committed.

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Originally Posted by sawsall02

Wondergirl, I am brandishing a spiritual sword, not a physical one.

As Christians we should defend the faith. Although I ask myself at times, how would Christ handle this? I think after enough, he would turn them over to their sins.

So with that, I will leave this thread and look at other questions.

Good-bye all.

But why brandish a sword at all? I don't think anyone has attacked Christianity. We have defended your right to believe in Christianity, but we have also defended our right to believe what we want.

As to how Jesus Christ would have handled this, I think he was more concerned with the type of life people led, not how they worshiped.