Ask Me Help Desk - Science is now catching up with what God already established thousand of years ago

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Originally Posted by sassyT

Such miracles happen all the time! I was in healing service once where i witnessed a blind eyes open, a paralytic healed, and i also witnessed with my own eyes a child who had one leg shorter that the other, his leg grew 2 inches right before our eyes. Miracles happen all the time, the dead are even raised! But ofcourse to you that is all fake.. go figure :rolleyes:

Why is there no solid evidence of such feats?

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Originally Posted by sassyT

and i also witnessed with my own eyes a child who had one leg shorter that the other, his leg grew 2 inches right before our eyes.

So how come you never hear of an amputee get their limb back no matter how hard they pray?

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Originally Posted by sassyT

what are you asking me for? i am not God. Ask Him.

If you can't answer even a simple question like that how are we suppose to believe that you know anything about god at all. With your god your allowed to make up answers for questions like this and you can't even make up an answer that works. Doesn't that strike you as odd.

On a side note I think it is apparent who has a job where they stare at their email all day long.

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Originally Posted by michealb

On a side note I think it is apparent who has a job where they stare at their email all day long.

Haha, actually it's the end of the day for me, my hobby is staring at my e-mail :p

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Originally Posted by Galveston1

God created free moral agents. If you are free, you can choose wrong. Anything else is merely a robot.

Angels are free moral agents too, and we have a long history on one of them who chose wrong.

So no, (in the sense you use it) God did not create evil. He created beings that can choose to be evil.

That's right.. Well Said. :)

sassyT,
I also went to a healing service conducted by Father DeOrio and saw what he said the Holy Spirit was doing.
People I knew were healed for various problems plus some others, many were not.
I was not.
The Holy Spirit chose who would be healed.
I had to accept that.
I have seen other miracles.
Peace and kindness,
Fred

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Originally Posted by Capuchin

Why is there no solid evidence of such feats?

Just watch one episode of the Benny Hinn Healing Crusades and there is your evidence. If it is not sufficient for you then I can help you. I am not here to convince you of anything. Your believing me or not has no material effect on the fact that God does miracles and I have witnessed them. :)

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Originally Posted by michealb

If you can't answer even a simple question like that how are we suppose to believe that you know anything about god at all. With your god your allowed to make up answers for questions like this and you can't even make up an answer that works. Doesn't that strike you as odd.

No actually it doesn't. There are a lot of things I don't know about God and why He does certain things. My human mind can not even begin to comprehend an omnipotent omniscient, omnipresent Being who has no begging and no end, so how can I even claim I know everything about Him?
What I do know about Him is sufficient for me. So if you have questions about Him that I can not answer, you can ask Him yourself by developing a relationship with Him. I talk to Him every day and He reveals a lot of things to me. So I urge you to ask Him any questions you may have.

sassyT
Very good responses.
Fred

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Originally Posted by arcura

sassyT,
I also went to a healing service conducted by Father DeOrio and saw what he said the Holy Spirit was doing.
People I knew were healed for various problems plus some others, many were not.
I was not.
The Holy Spirit chose who would be healed.
I had to accept that.
I have seen other miracles.
Peace and kindness,
Fred

Yes that right Acura. My Brother had full blown AIDS and weighted 80lb on his Death bed and God Healed him. He is fully recovered, no trace of the HIV. A true modern day miracle!

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Originally Posted by sassyT

Just watch one episode of the Benny Hinn Healing Crusades and there is your evidence. If it is not sufficient for you then i can help you. I am not here to convince you of anything. Your believing me or not has no material effect on the fact that God does miracles and i have witnessed them. :)

I mean, why are no scientists invited to these healing sessions to write up evidence to publish in journals? This would be a huge scientific breakthrough.

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Originally Posted by Altenweg

Well, that's a bit mean of him, isn't it?

In other words, he gave us free will but it is our job to find the right way, to find God, to worship him? Why so many options? It really isn't fair to create free moral agents, give them all these options and then condem them if they make the wrong choice.

Its very fair! You just have to make the right choice. It's that simple.. lol
Jesus said " I put before you life and Death, choose life"
It is amazing how many people choose death.

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Originally Posted by Capuchin

I mean, why are no scientists invited to these healing sessions to write up evidence to publish in journals? this would be a huge scientific breakthrough.

Lol.. Scientific break through?? You are joking right?
The things of God are have nothing to do with what human "science".. these are supernatural miracles...
Just so you dong get it twisted let me school you on something...
In case you were not aware of this, Science is the study of natural phenomena, therefore science can never be used to explain or study the supernatural. ;)

Meaning it doesn't work on a regular basis and that if you actually study it. The people weren't really healed and the people that were healed were not healed anymore than a control group. Isn't that what your saying by it being beyond study because if we could study it then it and show that this was not the case then it would be a break through. In your own words though it can never be studied because it is made up or supernatural.

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Originally Posted by sassyT

lol.. Scientific break through??? you are joking right?
the things of God are have nothing to do with what human "science".. these are supernatural miracles...
Just so you dong get it twisted let me school you on something....
Incase you were not aware of this, Science is the study of natural phenomena, therefore science can never be used to explain or study the supernatural. ;)

Increased rate of healing (or even naturally impossible healing) would be a completely observable phenomenon. Why could it not be studied? If something happens in our world, then it's natural and worthy of scientific enquiry.

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Originally Posted by Credendovidis

For Smoked + Galveston1 + De Maria + Arcura + whoever else agrees with the topic header .

Actually the topic header is :

I have the following disagreements with that header :

"God"?? "God" is a CLAIMED to exist deity.
There simply is no OSE for "God's" existence.

Cred, yes, this is what you BELIEVE regarding the existence of God.

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And - surprise surprise ! - there is not any OSE for "God" to have established anything at all.
So neither is there is any OSE for "God" to have established anything

Again, this your belief regarding God.

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Besides that there is no OSE for "God's" existence, nor for "God" having established anything at all , nothing really noteworthy happened to earth for the last 63 MILLION years (other than perhaps a "homo sapiens" investation, that currently is threatening to destroy the environment of the planet).

Again Cred this is what you believe.

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... "thousands of years" is a preposterous statement, that has to be seen in the light of the creationist's claim that the earth etc. is only approx, 6.400 years old (a total ridiculous claim in view of the science supported fact that earth + solar system is already 4,6 BILLION years old.

Again cred this is your opinion and belief on the matter

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Besides that there is no OSE for "God's" existence, nor for "God" having established anything, nor for "God's" claimed creation to be thousands of years old, there is one more point that is ludicrous :
Science is not in some sort of match against "God". As far as REAL SCIENCE is concerned there is no "God".

Again These are your Beliefs regarding Science and God.

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Science is not catching up at all. How can you catch up with a wild claim without any OSE support ? So far as I know there is no OSE for god/gods at all, so it remains with that BELIEF ONLY.
Therefore science has overtaken and corrected anything that ever has been religious claimed. That includes anything irrespectful of specific religious belief..

Yes this is what you Believe.

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NOTE 1 : Science demands that claims are supported by OSE.
NOTE 2 : Science demands that any Theory or Thesis is frequently checked against the latest findings and possible mistakes - thereby correcting itself and insuring that the data is as near to reality as possible.

Yes! This is the only factual statement you have made in this entire post.

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Unlike religion, where there are only CLAIMS combined into a story and rules (called DOGMA) that is beyond any scrutiny, it even is beyond any real discussion. You simply has to accept it (You have to BELIEVE it).

However these are just your Beliefs regarding religion.

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So back to the topic header :

"Science is now catching up with what God already established thousand of years ago"

A totally unsupported and preposterous wild claim : nothing else!!

This is your opinion based on your Atheistic beliefs. :)

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Originally Posted by sassyT

Just watch one episode of the Benny Hinn Healing Crusades and there is your evidence.

Like this?

Actually when you have evidence for things they stop becoming beliefs and become facts. When you don't have evidence they are beliefs. You can believe something other than the facts but that doesn't make the facts beliefs.

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Originally Posted by Capuchin

Increased rate of healing (or even naturally impossible healing) would be a completely observable phenomenon. Why could it not be studied? If something happens in our world, then it's natural and worthy of scientific enquiry.

Oh Okey, I see.. if you are talking about the kinds of studies that can be done as Michealb said above then these studdies have already been done.
Check these articles out.

Researchers Look at Prayer and Healing
HowStuffWorks "Can prayer heal people?"
Prayer and Faith Healing, Proof that prayer works
Scientific Evidence of Prayer, Miracles, God and Christianity

The bottom line is miracles happen everyday. Like I said I have witnessed my own brother healed from full blow AIDS by the power of God. Now my brother travels the world preaching the gospel sharing his testimony with the world. I don't need science to prove God does miracles, because I have seen them first hand in my own life.
If you choose to believe you can experience the same miracles yourself. Nothing is impossible to them that believe! :D

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Originally Posted by michealb

Actually when you have evidence for things they stop becoming beliefs and become facts. When you don't have evidence they are beliefs. You can believe something other than the facts but that doesn't make the facts beliefs.

Yes, I am yet to see Cred prove that his belief that God is a myth, is an actual Fact. Until he proves it.. it remains another one of his many BELIEFS.

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Originally Posted by sassyT

Oh Okey, i see.. if you are talking about the kinds of studies that can be done as Michealb said above then these studdies have already been done.
Check these articles out.

Researchers Look at Prayer and Healing
HowStuffWorks "Can prayer heal people?"
Prayer and Faith Healing, Proof that prayer works
Scientific Evidence of Prayer, Miracles, God and Christianity

The bottom line is miracles happen everyday. Like i said i have witnessed my own brother healed from full blow AIDS by the power of God. Now my brother travels the world preaching the gospel sharing his testimony with the world. I dont need science to prove God does miracles, because i have seen them first hand in my own life.
If you choose to believe you can experience the same miracles yourself. Nothing is impossible to them that believe! :D

Those links all confirm that there is scant scientific evidence for intercessory prayer providing any benefit.

It's quite easy to show that miracles happen everyday. If you define a miracle as an event that has a 1 in a million chance of happening, and assume that the average person witnesses one event every second, then the average person should expect a miracle once every 30 days. Miracles are normal without God. Statistical anomalies are to be expected - we live in a statistical world.

God is a negative. You can't disprove a god. Until he is proven he remains a negative and it is a fact that he doesn't exist. Just as I have no evidence that a teapot doesn't orbit between here and mars but it's still a fact that there is no teapot in orbit between here and mars. That is the way you have to address things in a logical world to do other wise is fantasy.

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Originally Posted by Capuchin

Those links all confirm that there is scant scientific evidence for intercessory prayer providing any benefit.

It's quite easy to show that miracles happen everyday. If you define a miracle as an event that has a 1 in a million chance of happening, and assume that the average person witnesses one event every second, then the average person should expect a miracle once every 30 days. Miracles are normal without God. Statistical anomalies are to be expected - we live in a statistical world.

Like I said before, your believing or disbelieving in miracles has not material effect on the fact that God does miracles in my life and many other Christians everyday. I am not here to convince or convert you, so I am not going to argue with you. So if you believe miracles don't happen, good for you, that is just your opnion on the matter. So lets just leave it at that. ;)

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Originally Posted by sassyT

I am not here to convince or convert you

So why did you start this thread?

Have you ever seen magma? No? But yet, you claim to KNOW it exists. Sure, you say, others have seen it and proved it. But not YOU. Others claim to have seen God and KNOW Him to be true. Why would it be true for one thing but not true for the other?

To say that it is fact that God doesn't exist because His existence hasn't been proven my our limited minds is just ignorant.

sassyT,
Science HAS investigates and confirmed MANY miracles. Most of them were healings.
Just like your father.
He had HIV killing him now he does not.
Science conformed that the healing to place.
Such healing have taken place in recent years in many places around the world.
And science confirmed that they did take place.
Those are fact of science.
Peace and kindness,
Fred

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Originally Posted by michealb

God is a negative. You can't disprove a god. Until he is proven he remains a negative and it is a fact that he doesn't exist. Just as I have no evidence that a teapot doesn't orbit between here and mars but it's still a fact that there is no teapot in orbit between here and mars. That is the way you have to address things in a logical world to do other wise is fantasy.

God is a negative to you yes because you don't know Him. I know Him so he is not a negative to me.

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Originally Posted by DrJizzle

Have you ever seen magma? no? but yet, you claim to KNOW it exists. Sure, you say, others have seen it and proved it. But not YOU. Others claim to have seen God and KNOW Him to be true. Why would it be true for one thing but not true for the other?

To say that it is fact that God doesn't exist because His existence hasn't been proven my our limited minds is just ignorant.

That true.. lol these athiests should speak for themselves. Just because they have not had the opportunity to encounter God, they think that means he does not exist. :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by DrJizzle

Have you ever seen magma? no? but yet, you claim to KNOW it exists. Sure, you say, others have seen it and proved it. But not YOU. Others claim to have seen God and KNOW Him to be true. Why would it be true for one thing but not true for the other?

To say that it is fact that God doesn't exist because His existence hasn't been proven my our limited minds is just ignorant.

Your mind might be limited. I however am one of the smartest beings in the solar system perhaps the universe. If I don't believe in magma and want proof I can go see magma. If I want to see god, I can't go see him. It's more like bigfoot people claim to see and know bigfoot and if you ask the general population they will tell you he is real but he really doesn't exist.

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Originally Posted by DrJizzle

Have you ever seen magma? no? but yet, you claim to KNOW it exists. Sure, you say, others have seen it and proved it. But not YOU. Others claim to have seen God and KNOW Him to be true. Why would it be true for one thing but not true for the other?.

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Originally Posted by michealb

Your mind might be limited. I however am one of the smartest beings in the solar system perhaps the universe. If I don't believe in magma and want proof I can go see magma. If I want to see god, I can't go see him. It's more like bigfoot people claim to see and know bigfoot and if you ask the general population they will tell you he is real but he really doesn't exist.

Well, 2nd smartest being at best ;)

And you are correct. If you want proof that magma exists, you can go see magma. But of course, you first must be open to the possibility that magma exists in the first place.

And if you want proof that God exists, you can go see God. Of course, you first must be open to the possibility that God exists in the first place.

And of course, you would need a clear definition of what both magma and God really are.

The general populations opinion does not concern more nor does it have an effect on what I know to be true.

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Nice magma video dude! What did they use? CGI? Lol

Check it out! BigFoot!

YouTube - BigFoot sighting

It seems to me that with this thread religion starts now catching up with the possibility that God is no longer surely established after thousand of years ago because of science...

:D :D :D :D :D :D

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And if you want proof that God exists, you can go see God. Of course, you first must be open to the possibility that God exists in the first place.

Where do you keep him? If you can prove god to everyone like you can magma why are there so many religions? Surely if god speaks to those that listen some one is being told wrong information. Which means either there are multiple gods telling different people different things or people think they are talking to god and really only talking to themselves. I know my answer.

Michaelb,
God does exist for billions of people. They know Him and pray to Him. He answers many of their prayers and yet today still performs miracles.
That is enough proof for me and many millions of others.
As far as I am concerned He save my life during the Korean War and has answered many of my prayers.
That and more has established my religious faith.
A religious faith is much more that JUST belief.
It is belief plus trust and a knowing.
I know that God exist and my savior lives.
I am very comfortable with that.
I just though that you might like to know.
Peace and kindness,
Fred

God does exist to billions of people
God also doesn't exist to billions of people
Also billions of people believe in a different god.
Who all feel that god is speaking to them but god says different things to different people.
So either there are multiple gods or someone is wrong. If someone is wrong that means everyone is likely to be wrong.

michealb,
I do not agree with your conclusion.
The God of all deals with His children His way not to our way of thinking.
Peace and kindness,
Fred.

So do you believe that all religions are equally true? Even the new ones and that they all are inspired by the same god he just tells them to do different things?

So even people that worship Zeus worship your god they just don't know it because your god told them something different?

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Originally Posted by michealb

Where do you keep him? If you can prove god to everyone like you can magma why are there so many religions? Surely if god speaks to those that listen some one is being told wrong information. Which means either there are multiple gods telling different people different things or people think they are talking to god and really only talking to themselves. I know my answer.

I keep Him in my pocket. Luckily for me, He can shrink from infinite-size to pocket-size... for easy travel.

Maybe I should state that I am not exactly a Christian... and I would certainly not try to prove that God exists by referencing the Bible or reciting clichés.

And also, I didn't say that I can prove God to you or anyone other than myself. What I said was if YOU want to go see God, YOU can go see God... but first, you must be open to possibility that God exists... which it's clear, you're not.

Where were we going with this?

Oh yeah... that.

I'm pretty sure God is NOT the white-bearded dude sitting in a golden chair that floats on top of the clouds. I'm pretty sure that no one can quite fathom just what God is... but the simple fact, there is no better word to refer to God other than God... and at the same time, there is no worse word.

The problem is that man doesn't have the vocabulary to explain God... we don't even have the wisdom/knowledge to understand God.

We use words like "spoke into existence" because we had no other way to try and describe whatever it was that happened.

We ARE created in His image... but so is everything. It's like saying that atom created the molecule in Its image... well duh. God is me, God is you, God is ice cream, God is AIDS, God is Life and God is Death, God is Buddha, God is Christ, God is Allah, God is the Devil (I know some of you are just loving this right now)... simply put, God is.

But the last place you want to look for God is in Religion.

I understand that Science tries to rebuke God but really, the battle is between Science and Religion. God is not hard to prove, if you are willing. Religion, on the other hand, is impossible.

</ramblingsofamadman?>

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Originally Posted by arcura

The God of all deals with His children His way not to our way of thinking.

Remember Pascal's Wager, Fred : if you believe in the wrong "God" you are damned...
But nobody can prove that he/she believes in the right "God".
And nobody can prove that there is a right "God/Gods".
So is/are there (a) right "God/Gods". Or is that BELIEF BASED ONLY??

On what OSE can Christians base their BELIEF that they have "right" "God"?

:rolleyes:

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