Then I pray that the LORD will bind the strategy of the enemy and allow this person to see!
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Then I pray that the LORD will bind the strategy of the enemy and allow this person to see!
But I see perfectly. And I see religious wild claims without any objective supporting evidence !Quote:
Originally Posted by savedsinner7
Never-the-less there are still many here who refuse to accept that all their religious views are based on what they BELIEVE and nothing else...
:rolleyes:
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That's true, and according to our belief, you're not seeing perfectly as you claim.
OH GEESH! Quit it, already. I don't want people insulting, trying to persuade or convert, telling other people that they're wrong, all of this nonsense... this really is not the place.
If you're not responding to my question, or to a post someone else wrote regarding my question, then please do not post here. Start your own thread.
I'm getting really sick of all the bickering and ego-trips and this was not my intent in posting this. I was looking for advice and information-
Anyone who has the authority to close this thread, please do so.. I think it has run it's course and has now come down to the usual crap that always goes on on these boards.
How can you look around at everything in this world and not know that there is a God? The birds, the trees, the ocean, the sunshine, the flowers, the sunsets... the mountains, volcanoes. How can these things not have God written all over them? Man made computers. Man did not make trees, name animals, fill the oceans... My mother was told that she had lung cancer. She was going into the hospital for some type of surgery. She walked around telling everyone that God was going to heal her. As it turns out she caught a cold from my boyfriend and the day she went in to the hospital for her surgery they told her they couldn't do it because she had this cold. A week later they did another scan on her and sure enough the cancer was gone. X-rays were totally clear. Even to me it was a little shocking. But to her it was expected. Because God said "ask and you will recieve". She prayed for healing and he gave it to her not once but twice. A yr prior to the lung cancer thing she was in the hospital dying and my dad prayed her back. It's a difficult subject to talk about with people. But I guess when you've experienced the power of God first hand and you've felt his presence you can't deny him. You may not see a body. But you feel him everywhere.
Ah, hi margog! Hope that you're doing fine with your research and that you'll find your answers soon, though I know that questions concerning your research brings up other questions! Bon Courage!
margog,
One last thing, study religions, look at the different ones, consider reading the Bible... you take time to read these posts... just for further research... read the gospel of John... or Mathew then read Eph. Or Revelations...
Look around at different beliefs that has been explained here, look at the one who doesn't believe in anything and only is here to cause trouble and show off and in your words "telling other people that they're wrong, all of this nonsense... this really is not the place." It seems the people who do believe in something are actually trying to help you to understand what and why they believe.
But you have to make a decision to believe in God or whatever you chose. I do hope you chose God, but if you don't, at least give Him a try and don't judge God by people... there are many who call themselves Christians who know nothing of the relationship it entails.
They are like babies who never grew up and that's how they act that way and they hinder other people who are sincere, like you, and want to know the truth.
You can't judge God by them...
Don't give up... maybe give up on this post... as it seems to have turned into a credendovidis hindrance. Which is his mission. The devil comes to steal, kill and destroy... cred wants to be combative to distract from the topic and hinder you from getting the answers you seek.
Don't let him win.
Reread the good answers you've gotten here the ones that tell of their beliefs and how they came to believe and why they continue to believe. Scroll passed the bickering and then armed with this information, look to other sources.
I hope you find the right answer.
Love and prayers go out to you.
Tsila
Sorry Mag... but I got to respond to this...Quote:
Originally Posted by Credendovidis
Cred, you say people are allowed to believe whatever they prefer... then I believe you to be an a**. In nine, ignorant, confused, unprofitable, uninteresting, childish bore. That's what I believe.
I'm starting a new thread, it's called Why do clueless people make comments about things they know nothing about, is it because they have no life or because their lives are so miserable they just need the attention. It's a fact that hurting people hurt people. If you have a 'comment' please post it there. I may read it, I probably won't. I do pray you find some contentment in your life and some peace and happiness.
Correct. That is my view.Quote:
Originally Posted by tsila1777
Nine? Nine WHAT ? ; unprofitable? Did I ever try to sell my ideas ?Quote:
Originally Posted by tsila1777
Do so! Better expect a lot of replies. By those who also post from a religious point of view on evolution and on the origin of the universe!Quote:
Originally Posted by tsila1777
Besides that I do not see any use for praying, please feel free to do anything that suits you. In the mean time I keep reacting to topics I feel worth a reaction. Note that I am already surrounded by peace , love , and happiness in my life. But feel free to do whatever you want! You are free to BELIEVE whatever you prefer !Quote:
Originally Posted by tsila1777
Now I have a question for you : what drives you to post such negative, almost hateful reactions ? Your Christian world view of love and forgiveness ? Or is it your personal level of tolerance ?
Those who play at bowls must look out for rubs...
:D ;) :p :rolleyes: :D
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Wow, sounds like every ones gone off to la-la land with out me, and took the white rabit too! Hahha. Oh well... (sigh) Guess I'll just have to follow an imaginary white rabbit, can't hurt can it?
Funny thing about imagination, I've read that if you imagine yourself exercising, you will actually increase in strength by about 22%, provided my scientific souce isn't a load, which I've yet to find out... Now, does any one "believe" that?? So if you do, and you haven't tested it yourself, does that not mean you have to have faith in something, on account you have not proven it yourself?? Hum?? Very interesting this idea of faith, not only does it apply to religion, but also to every day life. A wise man once said, "I know that I am intelligent, because I know that I know nothing." - Socrates. Indeed, we are all here, saying this and that, when in the end words are just words, meaningless and empty. How is it, so, well I imagine in the end, nothing that happened will matter, only the fact that it is the end will matter, so fair thee be warned, enjoy what is now, and pay no fear the history, before the mistory, and simply live the now, and recognise the life you are. Now, if you learn to do this, please tell me how.
Also, "...that which we call a rose by any other name would smell just as sweet..." Now think how that may indeed tie into your question of faith, for the only way to answer a question is to ask a question.
Once again good luck Margog85, and keep on him tsila1777, you'll gett 'im sooner or later. ;) peace my brothers and sisters.
And this is how a good christian treats others. So much for following the 'good book'.Quote:
Originally Posted by tsila1777
Cred said "Never-the-less there are still many here who refuse to accept that all their religious views are based on what they BELIEVE and nothing else... : Well duh! What else do we need? Is this not trying to 'sell' your BELIEF?
Cred said: Now I have a question for you: what drives you to post such negative, almost hateful reactions? Your Christian world view of love and forgiveness? Or is it your personal level of tolerance?
What was hateful or negative about what I posted? I simply stated my belief that you said I was entitled to have. And who said I had a 'Christian world view of love and forgiveness'? It's God who forgives, and why do you think you need my forgiveness? What have you said or done that you need me to forgive you? Are you asking for my forgiveness, if so, then I do forgive you.
You said people are allowed to believe what they want to believe<--Doesn't that to some point contradict what you just said above: many here who refuse to accept that all their religious views are based on what they BELIEVE and nothing else “? Are you not by that statement trying to change the way people believe?
Even Christians have a right to believe what they want, and telling the truth is not a sin. Nowhere have either of you, Cred and Needy, tried to give an honest helpful answer to Margog, all you've done is made hateful comments to and about the ones who were trying to help. Needy, your comment was more hateful than mine.
My 'good book', does say to love others, it does not say I have to stand back like a meek mouse and take anything they dish out and keep my mouth shut. And by the way Needy, I wasn't talking to you anyway, why are you always trying to defend other people against me?
I admit Cred does need some help, in understanding... I thought he would be smart enough to understand "A** in nine", It was a bit of humor, but apparently it went right over his head. Unprofitable... look it up in the dictionary, cred, that also went over your head. Ignorant has already been defined on here.
I guess people are allowed to believe what they want as long as it doesn't get to close to the truth about you.
You can say whatever you want on here, Cred, but I do not believe you, and you cannot prove it. I actually feel sorry for you. And nothing I said was hateful or mean. But to me your comments for the most part are boring and repetitive. You can look that word up to.
Jesus Himself called the 'people like you' vipers; He called some unprofitable servants as well. They were not trying to sell anything either. Jesus was the Image of God; He took a whip and ran the thieving moneychangers out, and overturned their tables.
Jesus called it like He saw it, I am to follow Him, and that is what a "good" Christian does. By the by there are no good Christian or bad Christians, either you are one or you are not. Again, it is not based on my behavior, but on what He did for me. I'm free from sin and judgment, especially the judgment of men/women. And Most especially from sinners/unbelievers.
Margog, this is just an example of the Christian life, it makes you free.
We had a lady from Russia at our church yesterday, she was telling of how they were spreading the gospel all over the country and endured horrible conditions to get to these places and lived in horrible conditions to spread the gospel, the good news. Once they had enough converts, they set up training groups in each village to continue the work.
She told through interpretation about another lady who had traveled with her to and she said "the promised land' meaning the 'states', she (I can't spell their names) the second lady, who could not speak English, told of how her 'other god' ruled by fear. But when she went to a Christian meeting and was healed, then told her mother who disowned her at first, but later came and was also healed, she came to know that God sets you free while man made gods rule by fear. I wish you could have been there. It was an awesome service.
The God I serve in spirit and in truth, does not rule by fear, He does not monitor my every action or word. (He forgives all my iniquities that means sins I commit unaware, I don't have to confess every sin to receive forgiveness, He forgives my iniquities) He doesn't tell me how to dress, only to be a lady, some of you will know what that word means. To be meek and humble in spirit does not mean to be a doormat. Meekness is actually a powerful weapon against our enemy.
There are just too many wonderful things I could say... but unless you are willing to be willing to believe then-------let me make that clearer. Some are called to do special works, others want to learn, dive deeper into the Word, but they are 'lazy', (not speaking of anyone on this board here). One teacher said, 'if you are not willing to go and do what God asks you to, then pray that He will make you willing to be willing.'
So, sometimes we have to be meek and humble unto God, and allow Him to make us willing to be willing to 'understand, or go to Africa, or read the Bible more, or not be mean to people on the internet... whatever.
I understand that you want to know how people can base their faith on something and be so confident that what they believe is true, perhaps Cred said it best... "Never-the-less there are still many here who refuse to accept that all their religious views are based on what they BELIEVE and nothing else... :
When Peter was walking on water... this is just an illustration, Margog... as long as Peter kept his eyes on Jesus he could walk, but when he took his eyes off Jesus and looked at the waves, other people, let other things come in, like you said: and I feel like if I'm going to understand what else is out there, I need to understand it in logical steps. Logic has nothing to do with spirit. Logic is of the mind. There is no religion or belief that can be explained by logic. When Peter took his eyes off Jesus, he began to sink, but when he called out to Jesus to save him, Jesus did.
We, Christians, must keep their eyes on Jesus and not let the world system in, via news broadcasts or what we see and hear in the workplace…we Must keep out eyes on Jesus, the One who Died for our sins, and was raised for our justification.
Logic is like Mr. Spock... without emotion... any emotion. Now we do not believe in or serve God by emotion. It is by faith, you say faith is a cop out... but without faith, it is impossible to please God. Faith is what pleases God. My God, the One I believe in was and is and always will be and He created the universe by the Words of His mouth. God the Father, God the Son, God the Holy Spirit; these three are One.
I do not understand that, but I believe it because something inside me says, "yes, yes that's true". And it's not an emotion, it's a witness, my new born spirit, born of God is reaching out to its Spiritual Father like a natural child reaches for its natural Father.
We believe we are spirit, born of God, we have a soul, which is mind, will and emotions and we live in a body. With the body, we contact this natural world, through the 5 senses, with the soul, we do battle... the will battles against emotions, and the Word of God renews the mind. The mind is the referee so to speak, if the emotion win, we ultimately lose... emotions change daily.
The will of a Christian is to please God, not man... the more the mind is renewed away from worldly things, the stronger the will is to do battle to overcome emotions and please God. Yet, we have been given a free will... we can do as we please... so one does not 'make up their mind' they make up their will.
You can willingly give in to emotions, you can willingly choose to believe God, and you can willingly choose to be ignorant of the things of God. You can willingly fight against something you do not believe exists. (that to me does not make sense and it not logical), but there are those who willingly chose to do that, perhaps it is based on emotions…negative emotions.
But the main thing is to be willing to be willing to believe…….you did once…you really did, I believe you still do…you are just going through a battle with emotions…logic has come to confound your mind and stop your will. You know there is a 'higher power'; your spirit knows it and it calling out for it. You want to believe again, or you would not have posted this question. This is my belief and this is what I believe because it is my belief and I do accept that my views are based on what I believe and nothing else.
Peace and love,
T
It is not about what you need to believe. It is about what you like others to believe.Quote:
Originally Posted by tsila1777
No, I have no religious belief to "sell". On your protected Christianity board you can do your "praise the Lord's" as often as you like. From me you may believe whatever you want. But the moment you tell people on any other board that their views are wrong, incorrect, up for review, or that your Christians views are "true" (in any format of true) you will see me reacting, because
WHATEVER YOU BELIEVE, YOU SHOULD PROVE THAT YOUR VIEWS ARE CORRECT, IF YOU WANT TO CONVINCE OTHERS !
This is a discussion board, and any topic posted here is open to comment and discussion, if you like that or not !
I am smart, and I ask people to explain when they post something I do not understand, because English is only my third language. You on the other hand have still not explained what the expression means. I wonder why. Are you not smart enough to do so ?Quote:
Originally Posted by tsila1777
And please : if you like to receive reactions : post short and few questions. I limit replies. I have also other things in my life to do...
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Faith and religion are very complexed matter if you really want to go deep inside. I am not trying to say that anyone should try getting away from that complexcity. What I am here trying to express is that it all depends onyour self and what you really do. Do believes in something but you are not sure about and you can't really digest it then that might be a kind of blind faith! One should not believe in something because there many out there who does and there are many who tells you to believe in... Real faith should come out from your insightness based upon your own experiences, visuals, researches, different religious aspects and don't ignore that scientific aspects. Everything is interdependent so one should compare all the things all the things that you heard, saw and felt.
All the best!
Great post Tsila!
Cred... how can proof be given! We can only give examples, and that's what Tsila had done. Jesus gave us the choice to believe nor not in Him and those who choose Him find a certain satisfaction, that I don't think you'll ever feel. You may be surrounded by all that you need, but you don't have God. You think that He's not important, and thus feel so. Just the same, you don't know how does it feels to know that you can count on Him, thus you cannot feel it. God only hopes that we make the good choice from the wrong one, and that, we should do it by ourselves, either accepting help from others or not.
Thanks Unk, :)
I didn't realize Cred was such a busy man that he couldn't answer a few questions. He seems to have plenty of time to make A** in nine comments.
Dear Cred, as* in nine means asinine, which means inane, which means mindless; repetitive, uninformative. Since English is just your third language, I guess that's why you do that and the reason you just don't understand what is being said here. Also the reason you can't answer the hard questions. Good excuse, Cred.:p
Unk, you said it all. All we can do is give examples, and with years of experience with God, and His Goodness I have so many examples. But that would not convince Cred, but I'm not here to convince Cred or anyone. I'm just here to tell what I believe is to be true. The gospel, the good news, Jesus died for our sins and rose again for our justification. It is the power of God unto salvation. I can't prove it is on this board, but no one can prove it isn't either.
I do hope Margog had time to read my post. Or maybe he's so tired of the back and forth bickering he has stopped checking in. Sorry Margog.
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Originally Posted by tsila1777 Cred said "Never-the-less there are still many here who refuse to accept that all their religious views are based on what they BELIEVE and nothing else... : Well duh! What else do we need? Is this not trying to 'sell' your BELIEF?
It is not about what you need to believe. It is about what you like others to believe.
yeah, Now I believe this is your third language...I don't understand what you mean here. It's not about what I believe? you said we refuse to believe that our religious views are based on what we believe............Yes I would like others to believe but that's not what your original quote said. You want me to stop believing so therefore you want me to believe the way you do in nothing...correct?
No, I have no religious belief to "sell".
but you want us to stop believing our religious views...right?
Seems like cred is misusing words because in a statement like
You said we refuse to believe that our religious views
Yet he insists believe is not to be used in the context he just used it in
And the word has to be accept not believe:rolleyes: :rolleyes:
Cred,
Is this short enough for you?
You said people are allowed to believe what they want to believe<--Doesn't that to some point contradict what you just said above: many here who refuse to accept that all their religious views are based on what they BELIEVE and nothing else “? Are you not by that statement trying to change the way people believe?
WHATEVER YOU BELIEVE, YOU SHOULD PROVE THAT YOUR VIEWS ARE CORRECT, IF YOU WANT TO CONVINCE OTHERS !
Why did you feel it necessary to yell at a southern lady?
DON'T YOU UNDERSTAND? ARE YOU REALLY SO DENSE? YOU CAN'T PROVE SPIRITUAL THINGS! BECAUSE THEY ARE SPIRITUAL! THEY ARE NOT NATURAL! YOU CAN'T SEE, SMELL, OR HEAR THEM. FAITH IS A SPIRIT. THE BIBLE SAYS THE SPIRIT OF FAITH.....YOU CAN'T SEE A SPIRIT! YOU CAN'T SEE ELECTRICITY, BUT YOU CAN FEEL IT, AND YOU CAN SEE THE RESULTS OF IT. YOU CAN FEEL THE SPIRIT OF GOD WHEN YOU HAVE A RELATIONSHIP WITH HIM. YOU CAN HEAR HIS VOICE, HIS STILL SMALL VOICE ON THE INSIDE OF YOU. AND YOU CAN SEE RESULTS OF FAITH.
So sorry, southern ladies do tend to yell back. We're just bred that way.
But that's what I meant my asinine. It's foolish to ask someone to prove what they believe by faith. That's like asking someone to prove they think you're stupid. How could someone prove that?
If you want proof, here's some proof, said this:
"Dear God, creator of heaven and earth. I am a sinner. I know and believe in my heart, and confess with my mouth that Jesus Christ is Lord. I receive Him now as my Lord and I ask Him to come into my heart and make Himself known to me. I want a relationship with You, so that I can be in Your Presence in eternity. In Jesus' Name amen."
Silas,
You scare me.
Cred said: This is a discussion board, and any topic posted here is open to comment and discussion, if you like that or not !
Where did this A** in nine question come from? Right out of the blue! Of course it's a discussion board that's why I'm commenting on here.
I was discussing the posted topic with you.
But my post was too long for you to comment on... so I broke it down for you in as simple English as I could.
And if didn't like it, I wouldn't keep coming back. Duh again.
Silas,
You scare me.
Needy, as the man said, "Are you talking to me?"
If so, how do I scare you sweetie?
I guess it's the swing between "sweetie" and yelling insults and demeaning people.
I see not much has changed with this post..
I think sometimes you have to realize some people are just not going to change their views because you think they are wrong.
Each perspective is correct to the one that owns it..
NEEDKARMA isn't going to believe in anything because you bring up Jesus, the bible or any other connotations that refer to religion. HE SIMPLY disagrees and doesn't believe..
LIVE AND LET LIVE...
Talking until your blue in the face and writing in anger won't make CRED see your views any differently. Faith cannot be proven and neither can God, therefore they do not believe.
THAT is not MY personal view, but I can accept those that differ from mine and understand the differences between us are simply that, DIFFERENCES..
Not that you have nothing valuable or worthy to say, just don't expect each person to view it the way you express it..
Yelling insults? Give me an example please. Cred yelled at me first anyway. What about that?
I agree with everything you say shattered soul, except that you seem to be implying that what is true for one, is not true for someone else. That may be the case in some areas, but in other areas it isn't. For example...
Either there once was a man walking around on this earth before a female ever existed, or there wasn't.
Either we share a common ancestor with an ape, or we don't.
Either there is an all-powerful Christian god who cares about us, can simultaneously hear billions of prayers, and sent himself to earth in order to be hideously tortured, or there isn't.
These are not matters of opinion. They either happened or they didn't. I see nothing wrong with trying to educate people in what science has to say about the veracity of such claims. I also see nothing wrong with a religious person trying to convince me otherwise. I do try and keep an open mind. But other than this, you are spot on and insults should always be avoided. But it is hard sometimes for both sides not to seem like they are talking down to each other. In the end, I see nothing wrong with good debate as long as it can be kept relatively cordial. What I HATE is when mods like Fr_Chuck shut down a thread simply because someone starts making a little too much sense! A mod's bias shouldn't be so obvious.
Well, that I do not recognize unknown-to-me abbreviations do not make me someone who just does not understand what is being said here. That is took two repeat questions in two different posts by me before you explained what you meant with that abbreviation shows more of your negativity than of my supposed lack of comprehension skills.Quote:
Originally Posted by tsila1777
Besides that : your various aggressive posts here also provide a perfect view of your religious intolerance!!
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I agree w/ you on 1 & 2, but science has nothing to say on #3. It's when someone tries to mix science and religion that the real arguments begin. While scientific methods can investigate some supernatural occurrences (like ESP, ghosts... ) an onmiscient and omnipotent deity like God is far beyond any science investigation.Quote:
Originally Posted by lobrobster
So, for me, #3 is a matter of opinion. I say it's irrational, believers say it's obvious. And never the twain shall meet...
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Can we respectfully delve into this a little deeper?Quote:
Originally Posted by WVHiflyer
I agree that it's not the purpose of science to explain whether any gods exist. But I disagree that the existence of god is a matter of opinion. Again, either a god exists, or it doesn't. And the Christian god requires an even much even bigger parlay than that, since they are claiming very precise attributes and claims for their god that are different from all other gods man does or ever has believed in.
I forgot who it was that said, "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence".
To this extent, many religions do in fact trespass directly within the boundaries of science. Things like virgin births, resurrections, surviving death, and turning water into wine, all violate scientific laws and science does have something to say about them. Do you disagree?
"...the existence of god a matter of opinion." Actually that's a tough one. Since there is no way to scientifically prove or disprove any god's existence, that makes it a matter of opinion. I consider such an entity's existence an irrationality that cannot exist. But since I can never have any proof of that, it remains my opinion.
As far as the artifacts, such as virgin births, etc, yes, science can provide explanation or disproof on the occurrence. Believers won't accept it, of course. When the Shroud of Turin was exposed, believers just claimed the science was faulty. And they're hoping, and some claim not, that when science cannot provide a reasonable explanation or can't agree on one, believers accept that as a failure of science and 'proof' of their 'opinion.'
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I can accept that, because I understand where you're coming from and I hold the same view. That is, I realize that neither I nor science can ever satisfactorily prove or disprove the existence of god. The fact remains however, that the truth DOES exist one way or the other. How you and I arrived at our respective belief was through personalized logical conjecture given what we think we know about science and reality. So I'll leave it alone. I think we're really only disagreeing on semantics.Quote:
Originally Posted by WVHiflyer
Lobroster - I was going to bring up the semantics, but decided to try and explain further instead. So much disagreement on this seems to be a matter of 'failure to communicate.'
So, yeqah. I agree <G>
Then it boils down to your judgement.Quote:
Originally Posted by margog85
If you have gotten to the point that you have accepted the evidence for the existence of God. And you have moved to the point of deciding which religion represents God best for you, then this is where your discernment comes in.
Which religion has the best evidence?
Which religion as the most wise teachings?
Which religion has the most impact on your life?
How sure can I be? At this point in my life, I'm absolutely certain that the Catholic Church is the true Church which God in His Wisdom placed here to guide us and to reveal His Will.
How sure can YOU be? I don't know.
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that you can't have proof,
Says who? Proof is the evidence which convinces YOU. I have proof. I reviewed the same evidence possibly which you rejected. For me, it was proof. For you it wasn't.
That doesn't mean that I don't have proof. That means that you don't have proof. I am thoroughly convinced.
Yes. They have faith in one set of facts. I have faith in another. And you have faith in another. That's free will.Quote:
you have to have faith, and they have the support of THEIR texts and THEIR believers. Do you see what I mean?
It's the same way that you can be so sure that the Big Bang happened or that evolution is true.Quote:
Each religion can have the same TYPES of 'proof' and ideas about faith and believing what you cannot see... but if no one can see anything they believe in, and it's just blind trust or faith or 'grace' or whatever you want to call it, how can you be so CONFIDENT that what you believe is right?
You are convinced by the evidence for those theories. I am convinced by the evidence for God's existence and for the truth of Catholic Teaching.
I'm not exactly sure what you mean. But I believe the Catholic Church teaches the fullness of truth. And I believe everyone who accepts the Catholic Church's teachings is doing the best they can for their souls.Quote:
Or do religious people just believe that what they believe is right FOR THEM because it works FOR THEM and that others don't necessarily have to believe in the same way as they do as long as what they are doing WORKS.
I also believe and the Catholic Church teaches, that each man has a free will to accept or reject either the whole truth or any part thereof. That means that people frequently accept and believe things which don't work and are wrong for them. But they prefer those beliefs to the truth.
That's because its easier. No person in their right mind would ever make up a religion like the Catholic Church. That speaks volumes to me that it is the true religion of God. Why make up a religion with such high moral and ethical standards?Quote:
That kind of view I'd have a much easier time understanding.
Why not a religion where we can party day and night and live for ourselves? If I was going to make up a religion, that's one I'd make up and did for many years. But now I prefer to accept the truth. And the truth is inconvenient for those who want a religion of self glorification.
You keep saying we don't have evidence. But we do.Quote:
But how can those who believe in something they cannot see or provide evidence for be so sure that their beliefs are so true and set in stone and definite that they then go on to try to convince others that their way is the only way, or the best way, or the 'truth'?
Once you accept that we have evidence, then it should follow logically that we can be sure enough to try to convince others of the same conclusions which we have drawn from the evidence.
I hope that helped.Quote:
That's what I'm trying to understand, partially.
I did so in message #90.Quote:
If anyone can break down their process of how they chose their particular religion and why it is the one they believe so whole-heartedly, I'd be very interested to hear about it. Because it just seems impossible to me.
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Sincerely,
De Maria
I've been curious about this for quite some time. Not just about you, but all Christians...Quote:
Originally Posted by De Maria
Why would you think God placed a Catholic church here? There is no mention of Christianity in the old testament. Jesus himself was born a Jew and died a Jew. His mother was a Jew. There is no reason to think he considered himself anything but a Jew. Or am I wrong about that? Christianity never would have existed if it wasn't for a disagreement over the divinity of Jesus. It just so happens that many Jews never saw his miracles or resurrection and didn't believe the few people who said they did.
Am I all wrong about this? If so, I'd appreciate if someone explained it to me. I never did understand how Christianity got started or why God would bless it, let alone give it to us (and I was raised Catholic myself). Thanks.
Read the bible and you'll find your answer there...
p.s. not all bible are the same... suggest something like the living bible
Are you answering my question? The OT has nothing to say about Christianity, and the NT was written by the few who disagreed over Jesus' divinity. So how can I expect to find the right answer there?Quote:
Originally Posted by 1300starlet
Like 1300starlet said if you read the Bible, especially Acts and Pentecost, it explains about the Church and 'first the jew then the gentile'. The OT is rich in what Christians believe.
I am not going through the whole thing but will try and answer more specific questions.
IF you are seriously wanting to know I found a link that explains SOME of it
The Bible & Archaeology - The Book of Acts: The Church Begins
Check the links at the bottom of that site too
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Originally Posted by lobrobster
Lobro ofcouse niether the New or the Old testament mension the word "Christianity" because this is a term that was coined in AD. To describe people who follow the teachings of Christ.
The Old testament is just pages upon pages of Prophesy about the coming of the Messiah (i.e Christ) who is to come and dies for the sins of the world. If you read Isaiah 53 of the old testament it is a wonderful example of how a man, Isaiah, who lived thousands of years before Christ, wrote and prophesied of Christ's coming. Isaiah describes every aspect of the Crusifiction of Christs hundreds of years before it happened. So the Old testament is consists of prophetic writing about the coming redemption in Christ.
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Originally Posted by N0help4u
Thank you. It looks long, but I'll read the whole thing if you think the answer to my question is there. Again, I'm specifically looking for reasons one can assume that God sanctions Christianity over Judaism (or any other religion). Since Christianity came after Jesus' death, I don't see how that's possible.
I imagine it's mainly through inferring that Jesus fulfilled the prophesies of the OT? But this doesn't explain why so many Jews who go by the same OT disagree. Surely, there is no reason to think that the few people who started Christianity were that much smarter than all the Jews? I'll read through the link. Thanks again.
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