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Many of the writings that did not agree with the main writings of the known Apostles were not included of course,
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Many of the writings that did not agree with the main writings of the known Apostles were not included of course,
Unless of course you are a christian, then you base all your actions on the bible.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeedKarma
The Worldwide Institute stated that "3 times as many people fell victim to war in the 20th century as in all the wars from the first century AD to 1899.Quote:
Originally Posted by Onan
More than 100 million people, and rising, have lost their lives as a result of wars just since 1914!
It doesn't matter how big our population is, don't you think this is a huge concern to mankind in general?
It has also been reported on our news channels recently that if humans carry on as they are environmentally speaking and increasing in numbers, within around 50 years the earth will not be able to sustain life any longer.
What then? Shouldn't we have started evolving into something better by now? After all it takes millions of years to become as clever as we are now! :rolleyes:
War is a horrible thing, my point was there have always been wars. There will always be wars. I guess what I'm trying to say is, how can they get worse, when it's a horrible thing already? Even if one man dies in a war it's a bad thing.Quote:
The Worldwide Institute stated that "3 times as many people fell victim to war in the 20th century as in all the wars from the first century AD to 1899.
More than 100 million people, and rising, have lost their lives as a result of wars just since 1914!
It doesn't matter how big our population is, don't you think this is a huge concern to mankind in general?
It's a bit longer than 50 years... lolQuote:
It has also been reported on our news channels recently that if humans carry on as they are environmentally speaking and increasing in numbers, within around 50 years the earth will not be able to sustain life any longer.
Humans probably won't survive, the dinosaurs didn't. The earth will still be here for whatever takes over when were gone. All it takes is the right astroid hit and were gone. It won't matter what religion we are, what kind of people we are, or where were from. I just hope I get answers to the questions I asked before that happens... lol
Things were handled during these concils by way of vote, yes even the divinity of christ was an issue voted on. I wouldn't feel very good about something like that.Quote:
The early church called a meeting of all of the major church leaders who presented various letters and writings.
Actually we have found out about many changes because of the dead sea scrolls. I can't remember off hand what book it was, but I think it was Mark that had a chapter added, and we learned this because of an earlier copy found in the dead sea scrolls. That's just one example I don't have time to look through my notes to find more.Quote:
We can compare those to writings found in the dead sea scrolls to know that there has not been change in these writings.
By the time these votes started there were no known Apostles. It was 300 to 400 years later. What was known was there was a lot of different beliefs from his birth to his divinity, life, teachings, etc, etc. Now being that it was the Romans taking care of this, they decided to take the stories that felt more like what they were used to, spruce them up a bit by making them sound more like their own beliefs,( which if you read anything about the Romans they come from a long history in believing in Demi Gods and what not) Presto change-o, you have a new religion to make everyone happy. I don't think a Jew had any part of what we read today as the NT. Why would they write about demi Gods when all of the Jewish writings that ended up as the OT did nothing but speak against this kind of thing? Why would a Jewish writer declare his own people Killed God? See what I'm saying here? The Romans believed in many Gods and demi gods, so doesn't it make more sense that they created this one as well?Quote:
Many of the writings that did not agree with the main writings of the known Apostles were not included of course,
If Rome was in control of the meetings it would be a consideration, but the Bishop of Rome was just one of many equals at these meetings. In fact from the Orthodox teachings it was there Bishop actually over the meetings Remember during these times the Church of the East and West had not divided yet and Rome had not yet come to power as it would latter.
And of course why would they write it, the truth perhaps, Iknow it may sound like a sily idea to someone not wanting to accept, but often the truth is told when you are writing things,
The history of man is one of conquer and convert. That's how the traditions are spread, and converts made. When you say bible you must be more specific, as there are a few versions, so which one are we talking about? I know, there is only one true bible, and that's the one true christians follow!
Good, what I have written I believe to be true, but that doesn't make those who disagree silly, does it? That would be a problem, as its up to us as individuals, what we accept or not, and that's the truth, as I believe it.Quote:
And of course why would they write it, the truth perhaps, Iknow it may sound like a sily idea to someone not wanting to accept, but often the truth is told when you are writing things,
So then there is a chance that one of the many earlier myths are true? They were written down.Quote:
And of course why would they write it, the truth perhaps, Iknow it may sound like a sily idea to someone not wanting to accept, but often the truth is told when you are writing things,
My point is that you seem to miss the real point. Things are definitely worse than before as it was foretold by Jesus at Matt 24:7 "Nation will rise against nation, kingdom against kingdom." This started in 1914 with Total War in that it was not just army against army but nation against nation - approx 93 per cent of the world was involved in that war.Quote:
Originally Posted by Onan
There would also be an increasing of lawlessness (vs 12). Today's moral breakdown is so bad children are becoming desensitized to horror, violence, swearing, sex, all in the form of entertainment, mostly. Are you saying that you don't care what happens to your children or grandchildren because there's no hope anyway?
God gives us hope in the scriptures. (Mic 4:3,4; Psa 37:10; Psa 46:9; Rev 21:3,4 etc etc) The only pity is that you do not take these seriously because God is a good "housekeeper" and it won't take him much to clean this place of his up. Also, he will never let it be destroyed by anyone or anything. (Isa 45:18; Eccl 1:4)
As I recall it, the news bulletin I saw mentioned the year 2050 as the time when earth would no longer cope - whether that was a scare tactic or not, you be the judge but that is not too far away! Maybe a different date or timeframe is given depending which part of the world you're in lol!
Onan, you're not really looking for answers... ;)
If you think children are getting desensitized now imagine how desensitized they must have been when they had to kill their own food and every Sunday the whole family got dressed up to go to the public hangings. Public executions use to be a family friendly event. The kids would gather round and throw rocks at the prisoners as they were lead to their death. Good moral fun, right?
By every measurable quality, life is getting better for the majority of the human race. Sure more of us have died in the last 100 years in war than ever have before but there are more people alive today than have ever lived on earth.
Judas hanged himself, apparently over a precipice somewhere. Something broke and he fell. What's so hard to understand here?Quote:
Originally Posted by Onan
Saul committed suicide. The Amalekite thought David would reward him if David thought that he had rendered David a service by dispatching king Saul. Wrong!!
Michal had 5 stepsons from her other husband, but none by David.
Josiah was succeeded by his son Jehoahaz, who only reigned 3 months, followed by another son, Eliakim. His name was changed to Jehoiakim. There was another Jehoahaz who was the 11th king of the ten tribes.
The word tempt is used many times in the same sense as to try. God does not tempt any man to do evil.
No man has seen God in His glory. Many have seen Him in human manifestation.
Hope this helps someone.
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Originally Posted by Galveston1
Matthew pretty much says he hung himself, nowhere does it say something broke and he fell, where you got that is from the other story of his death in Acts that saysQuote:
Judas hanged himself, apparently over a precipice somewhere. Something broke and he fell. What's so hard to understand here?
1:18 Now this man purchased a field with the reward of iniquity; and falling headlong, he burst asunder in the midst, and all his bowels gushed out.
1:19 And it was known unto all the dwellers at Jerusalem; insomuch as that field is called in their proper tongue, Aceldama, that is to say, The field of blood.
Matthew and Acts have two complete different stories about the death of Judas.
So tempting Abraham to sacrifice his son is not evil? Again we have a problem with the Bible saying two different things. God tempts, and he doesn't tempt.Quote:
The word tempt is used many times in the same sense as to try. God does not tempt any man to do evil.
Exod. 24:9,10; Amos 9:1; Gen. 26:2; and John 14:9, along with Ex. 33:23, Ex. 33:11 and Gen. 32:30 says different and it's not speaking of Jesus. Again the Bible saying two different things.Quote:
No man has seen God in His glory. Many have seen Him in human manifestation.
I didn't address 2 of them because we would argue forever over it.
The point I was trying to make, that really is kind of past us now, is the Bible is not without contradiction.
I don't think we've even begun to discuss the translation issues. Some of these problems are related to trying to get from ancient Hebrew to modern English. The difference in context is large as well and people frequently don't bother trying to get the real meaning.
For example, there is a passage in the New Testament that goes something like, "It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven." Most people who read that assume that since a camel can't pass through the eye of a sewing needle, rich folks are going south. The needle referred to in the passage isn't a sewing needle. Cities with walls back in biblical times had gates and they were pretty large. At night when the gates were closed, there needed to be access to the city. That access was through a small door built into the larger gate. The person sized door was called the eye of the needle. You could get a camel through it, but it wasn't easy.
What a great discovery! Through a little research, rich people don't automatically go to hell.
The miracle is when the red sea parted.
Just in time for the hebrews to flee the host of those trying to kill them.
Just in time did it close to kill those trying to kill them.
Actually it does. You need to learn more history.
People who do not know how to tell time, do not impress me.
If you studied the actual dynasties you would see that the timeline is wrong that many scholars presume, for example how can a ruler rule for 97 years-when they admit he died at 47? Many people died much younger then. Perhaps the 'scholars' who prepared your timeline counted months as years? As the people who thought there was a fountain of youth did.
Ptah-seeker-osiris is a description of a god who is the father-helper along side-son:
Creator of the universe and law giver-god of light-judge and resurrecter of the dead.
It is the way that it was understood who GOD is by the people who were not hebrew.
And it is another proof the bible is correct. The people who were not hebrew after they left while worshipping other gods may have made some type of incorrect worship, ancestor worship commonly called, instead of worshipping God.
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Originally Posted by Onan
I see you choose to remain in ignorance.
Did you do even a Google search to find these proofs?
Do you want to know the truth?
No, it is obvious you are just wrong, you choose to be wrong.
You cannot be right until you are willing to see that there is evidence.
Until you will examine the proof, you are only hatemongering.
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Originally Posted by Credendovidis
No.
The bible is actual facts. Actual events. Proof of every event that you have heard about in the bible has been given. You don't believe in science, you don't believe in proof.
The bible is already proven, legally, morally, scientifically, philosophically, reasonably.
You don't think it is. But you are wrong! You don't control the legal system, nor the moral system, nor the scientific system, nor the philosophical system, not the system of reason.
You onan only decide how ignorant you are by what you refuse to accept.
As does the person who asked this question. It is not belief, for you know in your heart that you are wrong, and hatemongering, but you attitudinal change program fails. The words convict you. The truth always wins out. You only bring more people to truth by harming yourself against the chief cornerstone. You cannot win, only lose. Sad that you do not know.
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Originally Posted by Onan
No.
Modern litertature proves when and where the bible was written.
You need to get up to speed on what universities now know is fact and teach in college.
I quoted this earlier, don't know why you don't believe modern atheists professors?
Perhaps you are a little bit behind the times?
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Originally Posted by talaniman
Personal attacks don't impress me, and neither do the credentials of those that repeat stories, and take them as fact, without proof.
Judas having a rope around his neck, that the rope was too long, fell to his death, where he bounced against the ground, spilling his insides out, cause of death. But he was wearing a rope connected to a tree. So technically he died because he was hanging himself
Self or others
If no twins or triplets or multiple births, then just one per time she was pregnant.
Unless she had a abortion, spontaneous or otherwise.
The one he choose
No God does not tempt. Not his job. Not in his nature.
And lived?
Provide more info, answer my questions.
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Originally Posted by Onan
No.
Modern literature has proven exactly when and where, and who wrote the bible.
You need to take more college classes. Atheists admit this. Why are you so backward?
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Originally Posted by Onan
Wrong. Jesus said when speaking of the rich man and lazarus of those in torment and those in abrahams bosum, and torment sounds like hell, so reread, and learn. Jesus did talk about hell
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Originally Posted by Moparbyfar
Where would you find a true christian? How can you tell a false one?Quote:
Only TRUE Christians follow and imitate Jesus example as set out in the bible
Not really.
No actually, not.
I don't recall any aspostles living to 300-400 ad, but the councils could only accept what they had. And modern college professors prove that only people trained in colleges and schools before 68ad could have written the bible, indeed rome outlawed certain education.
And it was not rediscovered until about 1880, these classic works, that are quoted in the bible, indeed college professors thought that the works were never quoted from 100 ad to the mid 1880s, but they were wrong, and proved so. And now they teach the truth about it
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Originally Posted by Onan
I apologize that people are mad at my answers. I do not want to tik you all off. But...
the question was: 'how can we prove the bible is true?'
my answer was "it already is proven".
some of you say you are offended at my words. Good.
the bible says only those offended can become believers.
only if you are shocked and outraged can see that maybe God is right.
only by becoming engaged in the discussion do you care enough.
only God can choose to draw someone to salvation. That christ is a scandalon or stumbling
block, only those who stumble can be saved. So only those who are offended that God says that God is the way,truth, and life. The only way to salvation, the only determiner of what is true, and the only life. We say we have a sex life, or a work life, but God says no there are not lifes, just part of existence. God wants us to be fruitful and multiply, so obviously wants us to marry and have kids. And studies show married people have more sex that single ones on average. So God does want us in marriage to have more sex for the purpose of having kids. And God wants us to work. Jesus said the job of man is to thank God. And certainly God wants to be thanked, but do not flatter.
prophecy - the foretelling of future events.
if the bible forecasts future events, and you see those events perhaps that proves its true?
of course many events were future when the bible was written, so perhaps you see already?
israel would return to their land, a nice prophecy, oh wait no one believed they would, after all that time, for them to come back together as a nation? Really? And just like the bible said they would. Amazing.
six step attitudinal change plan
Step 1. Some practice so offensive that it can scarcely be discussed in public is advocated by a RESPECTED expert in a RESPECTED forum.
Step 2. At first, the public is shocked, then outraged.
Step 3. But, the VERY FACT that such a thing could be publicly debated becomes the SUBJECT of the debate.
Step 4. In the process, sheer repetition of the shocking subject under discussion gradually
dulling its effect.
Step 5. People then are no longer shocked by the subject.
Step 6. No longer outraged, people begin to argue for positions to moderate the extreme; or, they accept the premise, challenging, instead, the means to ACHIEVE it.
how can we prove the bible is true? Sounds like you doubt it is true? But instead I state it is
already proven as true. And since a lot of people don't believe me, it becomes the focus of shock and offensive practice or statement, and as we move along the steps, more and more people believe me, and more and more they move toward my belief. You see saints know the bible is true and those who are not saints think it is not true already, so you waste effort if you are trying to do the steps, if you are genuine in your question then I believe I have stated a case that is reasonable, and any casual observer would believe me. But if not continue along the steps, and they will believe me. The steps can be turned on those who think they only work to make people believe less about the bible.
romans 1 - that people who choose to forget God exists become morons. That things are
spiritually discerned, so some will stay blind, and deaf. That there exist people who are not
going to understand no matter what is shown to them that the bible is true. Not everyone learns.
bible code - torah is exactly right down the letter choice in each word.
(see prophecy above.) if torah is correct down to the letter choice that proves it is right.
scientific method - if you make a hypothesis, and do an experiment, and its results are
repeatable then it is proven. Courts have maintained and the supreme court has not invalidated claims in courts that the bible is perfect, infallible, and otherwise beyond reproach. But allows other theories to be taught such as evoloution, if you overturn such cases then evolution cannot legally be taught, because it was only part of such cases.
quantum algebra, perfect mind, computer models of ancient astronomy correlations, anthropology, literature, history, et cetera all prove that no evidence exists to disprove the bible.
saint - those who are called of God are called saints. The term christian is a dirty word that
is on the same level as the n word, or caucasian. The n word comes from people who lived near the niger river in africa. Caucasian is for people who were from the caucus mountains.
christian means: christ-like. A christ like being is trying to act like christ through their
own effort, a saint is made perfect by God not the effort of the undeserving being that's is why it is called grace or unmerited favor.
gravity -we know from einsteins work that gravity effects of 'time' and decay of nuclear
material depend on how far from a gravity well it is. So 10^17 times as much matter, squared equals 10^34 times as much effect, and then the dark matter theory means approximately 10^72 times as much 'time' or decay of radioactive material at the creation point to the present as happens at this space/time point. So the billions of years that could occur in radioactive decay time, could actually be nothing more than thousands of years from the point of view of here. Time or radioactive decay occurs at different amounts depending on how close you are to more intense gravity. All matter was at point of creation or big bang, so a lot more matter there then, than is here now. My numbers are only rough approximations.
sorry you have lost another debate. But perhaps you can try harder. Or let me continue down the steps convincing more and more people. Either way I win. To argue won't make anyone right, it just helps bring more and more people to my way of thinking. Of course you can think you won. I don't mind you thinking that you won the debate or explained yourself or point of view better. It is history that will decide who presented a more valid or interesting point of view.
but that is the fun of such places as askmehelpdesk.com that we can reason together over what is ultimately valid and useful. What is true, and what is obviously false. So continue.
may you be as well, and may your questions help others, because there do exist some who do not ask questions, but want to know the same things as you, or I. be well, I hope that helps.
[QUOTE=eawoodall]I apologize that people are mad at my answers. I do not want to tik you all off. But...
"some of you say you are offended at my words. good.
the bible says only those offended can become believers.
only if you are shocked and outraged can see that maybe God is right.
only by becoming engaged in the discussion do you care enough."
I will repeat what I said in response to this post earlier:
Intimidation and control by repitition and instilling fear.
If you tell a child that the sky is green long enough and often enough, they will actually believe that it is green no matter what pfoof there is to the truth that it is blue.
People control = POWER!
Sorry ea, your post is disjointed and all over the place. It certainly does not offer the solid scientific evidence that the bible is true that you promised.
And you lost me at
LOL! You obvioulsy are not married and have had very little sex as a single person. :)Quote:
studies show married people have more sex that single ones on average
It certainly does make a great deal of sense.Quote:
Originally Posted by Credendovidis
Many people want to know whether they can have faith in the information presented in the Bible. With that in mind, it is easier to have faith in something which is proven factual than in something which is not.
For instance, do you believe that fairies exist? I don't because I have never come across any credible testimony. Any stories I have ever read on the subject have been labeled fiction.
However, I do believe that George Washington lived because his life is testified by multiple eyewitnesses. Therefore I consider that George Washington's life is factual.
By the same token, the informatiion in the Bible has been proven factual as to geography, political information, architecture and culture. Within the Bible, the life of Jesus Christ was testified by multiple witnesses with consistent descriptions of his life and deeds.
So, I have faith in the information presented in the Bible because it has been proven factual to my satisfaction.
Apparently you've never read the Bible. The history in the Bible, the architecture of the region and many more facts can be independently proven. Most of the information presented in the Bible is factual.Quote:
as there is no way anyone can prove the Bible is factual, simply because the entire Bible and the religion based on the Bible is based on BELIEF and nothing else.
:rolleyes:
However the Bible does include many forms of literary genre and some of that information is meant to convey a spiritual message using metaphors and parables.
So, you are wrong. The Bible is factual and the religion which is based on the Bible is a religion based on fact. That is why we can have faith in the information. Because it is true.
Sincerely,
De Maria
The Bourne Supremacy is a great book with lots of facts and correct architectures of regions. It is a factual story by your reasoning.Quote:
Originally Posted by De Maria
Are you saying that you have faith that Jason Bourne exists?Quote:
Originally Posted by NeedKarma
As I understand it, Jason Bourne is a fictional character in a work of fiction by Robert Ludlum. It is a work of fiction which is weaved into real world politics. But it is a work of fiction.
There are many fictional stories which mix fact and fiction to different degrees. In fact, I don't know any fictional story which doesn't mix fact and fiction to one degree or another. Even stories of fairies acknowledge the existence of towns, temples, statues, trees and grass and other facts of history, architecture, biology and geography.
In the case of historical books, they are intended as presentations of facts which can be verified by other independent observers. I have faith in those works of history which can be verified by independent observations and records.
In the case of the Bible, there are various genres represented. But those which are historical can be verified by independent records and by more than one testimony. And those genres which are fictional contain verifiable cultural and historical facts and communicate observable moral truths. And I have faith in the Bible because it can be thus verified in many aspects.
In the case of Jesus Christ, we have the most intimate historical biography testified by four independent eyewitnesses of any historical biography in the history of mankind. There is more evidence for his existence than for any other contemporaneous historical figure. The Gospels are also the most studied, the most tested, the most inspected texts in the history of mankind. They have passed every test with flying colors and therefore I have faith that Jesus Christ existed and exists and that He is the person represented in the Bible.
Sincerely,
De Maria
Its as factual as any cultural history book that tells the story of the people that wrote it. That would include cave drawings also.
Something to think about... Evolution(Darwin) vs Creation(Bible). Notwithstanding Christianity, I think it takes more faith to believe in Evolution than it does to believe Creation. At least Creation has a book to back up its beliefs. Another tidbit... do you realize that we've all been taught in school systems that Evolution is FACTUAL, when its still a "THEORY"? What is with that? If that isn't deception... what is?!
Hmmm, almost like Columbus discovered America.
You cannot scientifically PROVE the Bible is factual. You cannot scientifically prove anything. The point of science is to DISprove, and make educated guesses based on what possibilities have been ruled out and what fits with measurable and recordable information.
Regardless of how many prophecies and "facts" can be found in the Bible, scientifically, these can still be regarded as circumstantial.
The Bible cannot be proved to be true. And isn't the whole point of faith that the proof is found in your heart? You cannot share that with anyone, so why try to prove it? Say what you believe to be true, and don't be too downhearted if you fail. People can believe what they like, you shouldn't feel personally responsible for their immortal souls.
In the words of Douglas Adams, God said "Proof denies faith, and without faith I am nothing." Sure, Douglas Adams was very cynical about religion, but from the point of view of either a Christian or an atheist, that line has merit. No one should try to prove the existence of God, and so far, no one has managed to rule out the possibility of His existence. So why try?
Kal
There is so much I would love to add to this right now, but I don't know where to begin.
Eawoodall,
The predictions in the Bible are hit and miss just like any other person predicting things. Some that have come true(as someone else mentioned was wars nation against nation) would be the same as if I were to predict rain in spring. Wars between nations were a common thing and not something that started in 1914 as this person suggested. The Middle East has been at war forever. It is not some great prediction that no one ever thought would come true. Same with Israel, after thousands of years it was bound to come true. Hell, I predict the Arizona Cardinals will some day win a superbowl, now when that happens in a hundred years will I be looked at as some great prophet guided by divine inspiration? Of course not. I would also like to point out that there are still Jews scattered all over the world, so in order for that prediction to be fully settled they would ALL have to return.Quote:
prophecy - the foretelling of future events.
If the bible forecasts future events, and you see those events perhaps that proves its true?
Of course many events were future when the bible was written, so perhaps you see already?
Israel would return to their land, a nice prophecy, oh wait no one believed they would, after all that time, for them to come back together as a nation? Really? And just like the bible said they would. Amazing.
This is so far off. It's common knowledge with most scholars that there were tons of mistranslations and forgeries over the years concerning the Bible. Heck even the catholic Encyclopedia admits this. I don't know where you have received your information but I hope you didn't pay for it.Quote:
I don't recall any aspostles living to 300-400 ad, but the councils could only accept what they had. And modern college professors prove that only people trained in colleges and schools before 68ad could have written the bible, indeed rome outlawed certain education.
De Maria,,
First of all, no one really knows who wrote the gosples so we don't know for sure they were written by eyewitnesses, and second there are well over 80 other gosples written that tells other stories from supposed eyewitnesses.Quote:
In the case of Jesus Christ, we have the most intimate historical biography testified by four independent eyewitnesses of any historical biography in the history of mankind.
Are you kidding me? We have dug up Egyptian kings that at one time were thought of as just legend, but we have found no proof at all of a demi God who has once walked the earth. Hell there is more written about Zeus than there is of Jesus, does that make it proof that Zeus was a real being? Exactly what is this evidence? Where is this evidence?Quote:
There is more evidence for his existence than for any other contemporaneous historical figure.
Again this is false. An example of not passing every test.Quote:
They have passed every test with flying colors and therefore I have faith that Jesus Christ existed and exists and that He is the person represented in the Bible.
The NT claims that at the time Jesus was born,
Herod was king of Judea (Luke 1:5)
Quirinius was governor of Syria (Luke 2:2) and
Caesar Augustus ruled Rome (Luke 2:1)
Well,, there was never a time when these three spans overlapped. This is what is learned with history and what would be known by eawoodall if he really knew history as he claims to.
Something else that should be pointed out here is the decree of herod to have all males under 2 or at birth to be killed is a work of fiction as well. No where outside the NT is this story mentioned. Even Josephus Flavius, a renowned Jewish historian, who chronicled events during that very period in history, makes no mention of any such decree by Herod, much less any actual killings.
History records that Herod was hated during his reign, and many far less evil acts that Herod committed were carefully recorded in several historical sources. An act this evil and of this magnitude would never have been left out of any account in which Herod was involved.
If that wasn't convincing enough, According to Luke Herod was dead before Jesus was even born.
So during these "tests" how was this overlooked??
I agree with Onan. Personal beliefs aside, the Bible proves nothing. God being a widespread belief counts for no more than belief in dragons appearing in almost every culture. Does it prove that dragons exist?
More to the point, should it have to?
The Bible was written by men. Men make mistakes (even when directed by God, I'm sure). And the Bible has also been translated into several languages before English. If you believe, go on believing. But don't expect other people to share your faith based on an unreliable source.
There are plenty of books on evolution.Quote:
At least Creation has a book to back up its beliefs.
The deception comes from the people going around still calling evolution a theory.Quote:
do you realize that we've all been taught in school systems that Evolution is FACTUAL, when its still a "THEORY"? What is with that? If that isn't deception... what is?!
A little piece from the WIK
Today, nearly all biologists acknowledge that evolution is a fact. The term theory is no longer appropriate except when referring to the various models that attempt to explain how life evolves... it is important to understand that the current questions about how life evolves in no way implies any disagreement over the fact of evolution
Evolution as theory and fact - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Would any other evolutionists like to join me in writing a book about evolution so we can have a book like the creationists and have something to "back up" our beliefs? I mean, hell, if that's all it takes...Quote:
Originally Posted by buzzman
Oh wait! There are already a bunch of books about evolution! Huh. Guess this argument is a bit worthless...
And buzzman please learn the difference between "theory", "hypothesis" and "law" (when used in science) before you go getting all in a tizzy about some supposed "deception". Here's a tidbit for you - the definitons you think are right, aren't.
I agree... People will see what they want to see. That is why you must NOT engage in useless arguments. Use your time on people that are open to the truth, not people that want to hear what "They're itching ears want to hear". You know aas well as I do, there is no excuses in the end. Every man (We are not exclusive to any of this ruling either) has a choice to reject or accept the truth. It is human nature to seek those that agree with you in order to justify incorrect choices they full well know in their hearts to be true. It is only a temporary satisfaction, because it will never offer the true peace they are looking for.Quote:
Originally Posted by eawoodall
So you are saying that you believe in a Big Bang that apparently happened billions of years ago and allowed everything to perfectly fall in place in complete harmony. Good and Evil exist by its own accord and when you die it is then nothingness? I'm not asking you to even believe creation! I'm asking you to open your eyes to something that is even more unbelievable than Evolution!Quote:
Originally Posted by jillianleab
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