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Originally Posted by Credendovidis

Nothing has changed with Tj3 but his handle, and his use of his engineering degree as a "science degree" (if that were true, I have 2 such "science degrees" !

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John, you are making your lack of knowledge of the qualifications for an engineering licence obvious.

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I wonder : many Christians here seem to be rather intolerant to deviating views.
However : I also note aggressive creationists who post about a 6000 year old universe, and who insist that "God" is the "Creator", and who attack every opposing view with creationist - unsupported - babble that claims to be scientific, but that is anything but scientific.

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'nuff said. Like I said, because you choose to ignore the scientific evidence when it is placed before you does not make those who put the evidence there intolerant. Indeed if refusal to accept scientific evidence is intolerant, would that not also apply to those who refuse to look at the scientific evidence for creationism?

Also as shown on here in the last few messages, and admitted by at least one participant, evolution is a matter of belief.

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Originally Posted by Tj3

John, you are making your lack of knowledge of the qualifications for an engineering licence obvious.

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And you make your lack of knowledge on the difference between a degree in electrical engineering and a "degree in SCIENCE" very obvious!

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Originally Posted by Tj3

... because you choose to ignore the scientific evidence when it is placed before you does not make those who put the evidence there intolerant.

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Tommy Smith : please note that Arcura clearly asked you to post your deliberate disturbing comments to the topic somewhere else. This topic is about Christian Integrity.

If you like to post about your lacking scientific evidence for creationism than I suggest you open such a topic.
If you like to post about evolution, than I suggest you open such a topic.

It seems to me that you are now deliberately trying to disturb other peoples topics, nearly identical to your approach on Answerway, before they suspended you there for your fanaticism, personal aggression, and intolerance...

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Originally Posted by Credendovidis

And you make your lack of knowledge on the difference between a degree in electrical engineering and a "degree in SCIENCE" very obvious!

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Really, John. And what would you call a "Bachelor of Applied Science" where science courses were an essential core part of the curriculum? Or maybe you don't think "science" means "science". Next you are going to tell me one can get an engineering degrees in high school :D

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If you like to post about your lacking scientific evidence for creationism than I suggest you open such a topic.
If you like to post about evolution, than I suggest you open such a topic.

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I will take this to mean that you have no response to my questions. BTW, you brought up the topic of evolution. I guess now you have regrets ;)

The point is, John, you keep attacking Christians with this false strawman claiming that we are somehow opposed to the scientific evidence, when in fact the truth is the exact opposite. In discussions over the topic, time and again, it is the Christians who bring forward the scientific evidence. You must know that it is a logic fallacy to bring forward an argument based upon an unvalidated premise. Attacking what you claim to be Christian integrity because Christians insist upon evaluating the facts at hand, and indeed including the scientific evidence, does absolutely nothing to enhance or validate your attacks against the Christian faith.

Tj3, this is the perfect example of lack of Christian integrity, the desire to push your religion on others. When asked to stop, even by a fellow Christian, you continue.

Fred started this thread, and yes, we've strayed off topic numerous times, but he specifically asked you to stop. Will you? No. Why?

If you really want to discuss evolution or other scientific findings, or the proof you claim to have, then please, feel free to start your own thread on the subject. I'm sure that many people would love to discuss this with you, but not here.

Please respect Fred's wishes to discontinue a discussion on evolution. If you have something to add about Christian integrity we'd love to hear it.

Thank you. :)

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Originally Posted by Altenweg

Tj3, this is the perfect example of lack of Christian integrity, the desire to push your religion on others. When asked to stop, even by a fellow Christian, you continue.

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There is a difference between defending scientific principles and "pushing" one's religion on others. So far I have said nothing in this thread about my religion, despite your efforts to bring the Bible into the discussion while I was discussing the scientific basis for creation. Also, attacking others personally is not permitted on here, which both you and John have done in this thread. Is that not important when one speaks of integrity?

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If you really want to discuss evolution or other scientific findings, or the proof you claim to have, then please, feel free to start your own thread on the subject.

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Interesting that you have said nothing to John about pushing his beliefs and bringing up the topic of evolution. I think that consistency is important. So if you think that evolution has no place on here (and you may have a valid concern there), then please feel free to let John know, as he is the one who keeps pushing this topic. I noticed that your focus was on me, and that you chose not to respond to my comments on Christian integrity. I am, please not, also not the topic on here.

If you would like to move the discussion towards a different focus, then by all means, please provide your input, but please do so respectfully without attacking others personally - deal with the topic, without attacking the integrity or faith of others.

If you took anything I said as a personal attack, then I apologize, I surely didn't intend it that way.

I did not see your comments on Christian integrity, that is why I didn't respond.

I am more than willing to discuss the original topic with you, but I will not get into a discussion about evolution on this thread as it is clearly against the OP's wishes.

I doubt this will matter for long though, I have a feeling this thread will be closed soon, it's gone downhill very quickly.

Fred, I enjoyed discussing this topic with you, I'm sure we'll get the chance to talk again. I thank you for starting this thread, I'm very sorry for the way it turned out. We did have some good discussion about Christian integrity, and I am grateful for that and the chance to hear other peoples take on the subject.

Peace. :)

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Originally Posted by Altenweg

If you took anything I said as a personal attack, then I apologize, I surely didn't intend it that way.

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When you attack a specific person's personal integrity, that is not dealing with a topic point, but, yes, that is a personal attack.

Apology accepted - let's move forward and discuss the topic.

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I am more than willing to discuss the original topic with you, but I will not get into a discussion about evolution on this thread as it is clearly against the OP's wishes.

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Actually, I do not believe he actually said that. In any case, it was not my intent either. John was making some clearly false statements about and attacking the Christian faith, so I responded to those comments. I would welcome your input in challenging John's efforts to change this into a discussion on evolution (and yes, John introduced it - see post #56, and then re-introduced it in post #80).

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Originally Posted by Tj3

And what would you call a "Bachelor of Applied Science" where science courses were an essential core part of the curriculum?

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You know I live in Europe, so I am nor familiar with your grading system.
You and I are both engineers. You are an electrical engineer, and I am an electronics and computer science engineer. But we are NOT scientists in the "true" sense of the word science. Lot's of my spare time goes towards science in general, the result of the 5 years I worked at the - at that time - biggest private scientific research facility in the world.

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Originally Posted by Tj3

I will take this to mean that you have no response to my questions. BTW, you brought up the topic of evolution.

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You were repeatedly asked by Fred to stop posting on evolution, and return to the topic.
How revealing that you refuse to do that for someone who always complained to others who did that, but does that now himself.
Note that upon Fred's request I returned to the topic here.

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Originally Posted by Tj3

.... you keep attacking Christians with this false strawman claiming that we are somehow opposed to the scientific evidence....

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Total nonsense, Tommy Smith ! I do not. All I say is that creation "science" is no science.

And if you want to discuss that, than please start a topic about that, and stop posting here about anything else than Christian integrity.

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