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Originally Posted by Synnen

PS--the Bible wasn't completed 2000 years ago--not even CLOSE. The first Bible transcriptions weren't really put in place until the middle ages--somewhere around 400 CE, if I remember correctly. Before that, there were MULTIPLE oral traditions, but no one "Bible". And even then, they didn't include ALL of the oral traditions into the Bible....or even some of the written. That's what the Catholic Apocrypha are--and the Dead Sea Scrolls as well. So--closer to 1600 years, not 2000. And if you tell me that 400 years doesn't make a difference, I'll start REALLY doubting your ability to predict any date.

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Well, yes and no. The earliest complete copy of the NT we have dates from about AD 350, but we have examples of collections of books from much earlier than that, including portions of the gospels from the second century. The actual canon was finalized in the fourth century, but all the writings themselves were completed before the end of the first century.

That said, I quite agree with you about HSB's methodology (or lack thereof, as the case may be). Here's an old example that you may or may not have heard of:

"Judas...went away and hanged himself." Matt. 27:5

"Go, and do thou likewise." Luke 10:37

"What you are about to do, do quickly." John 13:27

A prophetic message for Camping's followers??

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Originally Posted by dwashbur

Mine would have been June 14

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Flag Day.

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Originally Posted by Wondergirl

Flag Day.

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Yup.

I don't get my 20 week ultrasound until June 3rd. THEREFORE, since no god is cruel enough to send Judgment Day before I get to see the gender of my baby, and NEITHER is that god cruel enough to end the entire world four days before my due date---I don't believe it.

It took 10 years to get pregnant, and I'm fully convinced it was a miracle. NO WAY is the world ending before I can hold my baby.

WHEN those people are eating their hats on May 22, I hope they realize that they have been led astray by false prophecies and look into their hearts to find the true way to their god.

Syn...
When the end comes I hope I will be in my garden worshipping nature and know exactly where my son is at that particular time, or preferably have him by my side. I don't think he and I would be far apart if we knew something was going to happen. There will be warnings, I am sure.

My heart tells me you will be holding your baby, see him/her grow up and have as much pleasure as I have in my son. Past tense is not in my vocabulary; I come from a long maternal line of women who believe life goes on no matter what.

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Originally Posted by tickle

Syn....
When the end comes I hope I will be in my garden worshipping nature and know exactly where my son is at that particular time, or preferrably have him by my side. I dont think he and I would be far apart if we knew something was going to happen. There will be warnings, I am sure.

My heart tells me you will be holding your baby, see him/her grow up and have as much pleasure as i have in my son. Past tense is not in my vocabulary; I come from a long maternal line of women who believe life goes on no matter what.

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Don't worry you'll still be here on this earth worshiping your god, mother nature. According to the bible only those who's hearts are firmly in accordance with the God of the universe will be snatched away in the twinkling of an eye. That means there will be no warning for those both taken or left behind.

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Originally Posted by 450donn

Don't worry you'll still be here on this earth worshiping your god, mother nature. According to the bible only those who's hearts are firmly in accordance with the God of the universe will be snatched away in the twinkling of an eye. That means there will be no warning for those both taken or left behind.

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Wow, you all put a heck of a lot of importance on one book.

Most of you are saying that this May thing is bull, others are saying it's true, then there are the holier then thou that think only they'll be saved, so it's no big deal.

If the nutcases are right and the world ends this year, well, not much you can do. If the God of the bible is as cruel as some of you seem to think, then I guess only a few people will end up in heaven, the rest of us will burn. If those people are right I think they'll be in for a big surprise when they find out they aren't as righteous in the eyes of their God as they seem to think they are.

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Wow, you all put a heck of a lot of importance on one book.

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Actually, it's only one VERSE, and very vague at that.

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Originally Posted by 450donn

Don't worry you'll still be here on this earth worshiping your god, mother nature. According to the bible only those who's hearts are firmly in accordance with the God of the universe will be snatched away in the twinkling of an eye. That means there will be no warning for those both taken or left behind.

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I had once considered Wiccan, and actually joined a group of women, thank god they were all women who appreciate nature in all its glory under the sun. In the old age, all tribes were matriarchal. Native northern tribes are still matriarchal. Which means basically that all natural gods were worhsipped, gods of the earth, sky, water and air. I think that is a wonderful way to worship the universe. I don't impinge on any one's worship, whatever they choose to do, am ambivalent regarding that aspect of our god laws. Whatever way one wants to live, and under what god is perfectly up to them.

Tick

Why worship the creation when you can worship the creator

Why do you have to worship nature to appreciate it? I'm curious... do you actually think "nature" is an intelligent personality... or are you just overzealous about your appreciation for it?

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Originally Posted by hauntinghelper

Why do you have to worship nature to appreciate it?

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I guess the same can be said for any god.

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Originally Posted by HeadStrongBoy

TUT
There are other issues involved besides the specific numbers of the 'date.'
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Hi HSB,

Yes, there are other numbers besides number relating to .'the date'.
I found the website NK provided which relates to 21st May 2011.

Under the first heading of "Absolute Proof" is the "one day is a thousand year" quote. As I said in earlier posts taking this literally creates all sorts of problems and inconsistencies.

The next 'proof' presented appears to be related to God's purpose and the number 3.

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The number 3 signifies God's purpose when the Bible writes about Christ being crucified, the number 3 is featured about 15 times: 3 crosses, 3 apostles, 3 denials by Peter, etc .All of these are emphasizing that it was absolutely God's purpose that Christ be crucified.

The number 3 was also significant in my formulation, but from my point of view 3 has nothing to do with purpose. When the Bible talks about Christ being crucified it is talking about doubt and uncertainty in the first instance.

(1)"Why has thou forsaken me?"
(2) 3 denials by Peter
(3) The rooster crowing 3 times before the dawn.

The problem with Mr. Campings and my formulations is they BOTH lack proof.

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Why do you have to worship nature to appreciate it? I'm curious...do you actually think "nature" is an intelligent personality...or are you just overzealous about your appreciation for it?

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Ummm, are you directing your post at mine regarding worshipping nature? You didn't quote so I am wondering if it is me.

If it is, as a mature woman, no I don't think nature is an intellgent personality. They are only plants coming up and dying off in their order of the seasons. Not overzealous of my appreciation of nature, just thankful that we have four seasons to appreciate all that it offers.

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Yes, it was directed to you. I don't know how to do the "quotation" of people's posts.

Don't read into my question too much... I was really just curious about how you really view nature.

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Originally Posted by hauntinghelper

Yes, it was directed to you. I don't know how to do the "quotation" of people's posts.

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Did we tell you how to get off that skin and onto the friendlier one we are on?

So I wonder if the night of May 20th, they will set their alarms to get up, or just sleep in knowing there is no reason to get up since the world is going to end.

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Originally Posted by Fr_Chuck

So I wonder if the night of May 20th, they will set their alarms to get up, or just sleep in knowing there is no reason to get up since the world is going to end.

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I plan to sleep in, because it's a Saturday. :)

Hopefully by then all this damn snow will have melted and I can finally enjoy the great outdoors again.

I have to get some yard work done, I have company coming in June. AMHD company. I'm giddy.

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So I wonder if the night of May 20th, they will set their alarms to get up, or just sleep in knowing there is no reason to get up since the world is going to end.

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I think it will be a Saturday, so at least they won't miss work.

I have read all posts and would like to say a few things.

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I am not religious so I am not partial to either side of any argument.

I can say; without a doubt, I see a lot of people here who care. I also, see a lot of argument regarding beliefs and a lot of superfluous topics to disregard the OP's topic, whether for fun or for boredom of the topic stance.

HSB, you dodge questions with cunning counters and well thought out phrases to throw the topic. You have yet to answer a question regarding your beliefs and how they came to be. You acknowledge them; which in noble, but you dance around them (like a coward).

Depressed in MO, you seem like a loving parent and a very caring individual. You need to believe in that that has gotten you were you are today. Do not indulge yourself into the sayings and blabbering of an individual who cannot; for the life of him, explain himself. Go with what you know. Go with what you believe. Do not waste your time with the rest.

My thoughts are superfluous to the topic, as I stated before, I am not religious. May 20th just gives me another reason to drink and enjoy my life!

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ITstudent2006]... HSB, you dodge questions with cunning counters and well thought out phrases to throw the topic. You have yet to answer a question regarding your beliefs and how they came to be. You acknowledge them; which in noble, but you dance around them (like a coward).

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Your observation may well be accurate. I do not look at my answers here as an opportunity to display my personal beliefs. I am not any kind of an authority. My mission is to point people into the Bible as the authority. And to warn them that May 21, 2011 will be the Day of Judgment.

I leave evaluation of personal issues to those who are wiser and more powerful than I.

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Y I do not look at my answers here as an opportunity to display my personal beliefs

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And to warn them that May 21, 2011 will be the Day of Judgment.

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Your first quote clearly says you are not here to spread your belief and that your answers should not be sought after as such. However, your second quote (which closely followed the first) clearly states your personal opinion/belief.

So please, enlighten me. You have talked yourself into a huge circle I am ever more excited to see you dance out of! Dance puppet... dance!

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Depressed in MO: Furthermore, if it is indeed going to end then, how do you know YOU are going to be accepted by God??

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The answer to this particular question is... I don't know for sure whether God will accept me. But my knowing my personal status with God is not the issue.

The really important thing is what does the Bible say about how we can become saved.

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ITstudent2006: So please, enlighten me. You have talked yourself into a huge circle I am ever more excited to see you dance out of! Dance puppet... dance!

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Let me be even more explicit. I do not intend to enlighten anyone. I am not a guru or a spiritual leader of any kind. But I do have a sense of mission. The Bible gives ample reference, and many passages, that when understood in a particular way... clearly point to May 21, 2011 as the Day of Judgment. I do not see it as my mission to convince you at all. God does all the convincing, or not.

However, to the best of my ability I'll try to answer any specific question you may have about the Bible, and references in it that point to May 21, 2011. There are many.

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Your observation may well be accurate. I do not look at my answers here as an opportunity to display my personal beliefs.

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But you HAVE displayed your personal beliefs. What we all would like to know is why did you discard what you used to believe and decide to embrace those new beliefs?

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Your observation may well be accurate. I do not look at my answers here as an opportunity to display my personal beliefs. But you HAVE displayed your personal beliefs. What we all would like to know is why did you discard what you used to believe and decide to embrace those new beliefs?

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Thanks for your interest. Much as I'm flattered, I'm not about to begin writing my auto-biography here. The important thing is... how does the Bible show that May 21, 2011 will be the Day of Judgment ? And how can I escape God's wrath ?

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Thanks for your interest.

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Your quoting system is messed up.

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Depressed: The way I was always taught, no one knows/will know when the end is near, where do you and your people get the facts? What do you base it on?

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Ecclesiastes 8:5 says:"Whoso keepeth the commandment shall feel no evil thing. And a wise man's heart discerneth (shall know) both time and judgment." These words are from the mouth of God Himself. Though He gave them to Solomon who turned out to be an unsaved person at the end of his life. The controversy, as I see it, centers on the issue of whether "time and judgment" can be applied to May 21, 2011 or not.

The answer is that it can because that verse does not stand by itself. There are many other passages that support that kind of interpretation.

Wondergirl: "Your quoting system is messed up."

You have a right to your opinion.

Actually I have not specified that I'm following a particular system of quoting the Bible. But there are some explicit principles (rules from the Bible) that I do try to follow. I'd be happy to enumerate them for you, should you wish to see them.

Your quoting of posts on this site is messed up.

Oh... did you mean quoting the previous posting ? Yes. I made a technical error.

Not this:

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Your observation may well be accurate. I do not look at my answers here as an opportunity to display my personal beliefs.

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But you HAVE displayed your personal beliefs. What we all would like to know is why did you discard what you used to believe and decide to embrace those new beliefs?

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As you've noticed I also made some spelling errors lately. I did ask the admins for a spell checker, but some other members are actually proud of their improper spellings.

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Oh....did you mean quoting the previous posting ? Yes. I made a technical error.

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It's good to correct our errors. May 21st is fast approaching.

Click on your browser's spellchecker.

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Wondergirl: It's good to correct our errors. May 21st is fast approaching.

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I agree. And it's true that I have expressed my beliefs before. But I think that my beliefs should not be the focus, or center of attention anymore. I am trying to turn over a new leaf. I would like to be as faithful as possible to the Bible, the whole Bible, both Old Testament and New Testament. Following the rule of comparing "spiritual things with spiritual." That means accepting no doctrine without looking at all parts of the Bible that relate to it.

I did it again. I don't think my browser has a spell checker. If it does, I don't know yet how to activate it.

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Originally Posted by HeadStrongBoy

Thanks for your interest. Much as I'm flattered, I'm not about to begin writing my auto-biography here. The important thing is....how does the Bible show that May 21, 2011 will be the Day of Judgment ? And how can I escape God's wrath ?

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"Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give the reason for the hope that you have." 1 Peter 3:15

So, since the Bible says it's a good idea, please answer the question.

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Originally Posted by dwashbur

"Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give the reason for the hope that you have." 1 Peter 3:15

So, since the Bible says it's a good idea, please answer the question.

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What was the question?

Oh, yeah, something about why he forsook his previous beliefs (and what were they?) and embraced Camping's teachings. What was it about Camping's teachings that enthralled him?

He's offline right now and is on the East Coast, so he might have disappeared to eat his bedtime snack and put on his jammies. That's what I'm going to do now.

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Wondergirl: Oh, yeah, something about why he forsook his previous beliefs (and what were they?) and embraced Camping's teachings. What was it about Camping's teachings that enthralled him?

Dwashbur: "Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give the reason for the hope that you have." (1 Peter 3:15) So, since the Bible says it's a good idea, please answer the question.

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What were they ? I was confirmed in the Lutheran Church Missouri Synod at the age of about 13. I attended a public (secular) high school and stopped attending church regularly. Though I still counted some former parochial classmates as friends, and I still attended services but only once or twice a year. My personal philosophy during high school leaned toward agnosticism and science. In college I majored in Physics/Pre-Engineering, and I became intrigued by the teachings of Herbert W. Armstrong and his Worldwide Church of God, among others. After graduation my spiritual life fell apart completely, and I had some intense episodes of social and emotional disconnect. While searching for my niche in the world I continued to be interested in other points of view for example Christian Science, Krishna Consciousness, Rosicrucianism, martial arts, and the charismatic movement. Years ago, probably in the mid 80s, one of my sisters was a regular listener to Family Radio. At that time many of Mr. Camping's teachings were still recognizable as mainstream Christianity. And because she listened continually, I became interested whenever I visited her. As time passed and I was busy making a living I too would occasionaly tune into Family Radio. I found that as I listened particularly to the Open Forum, I would almost always identify with a particular question that some caller would ask. And the answers that Mr. Camping gave, always from the Bible, were not only informative but invariably accurate (true to the Bible - I checked). That is, in a nutshell, my spiritual pilgrimage to date.