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I see sassyT just tries to re-write what she posted herself...

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Originally Posted by sassyT

You are just contradicting and reppeating yourself you are just starting to sound like an old broken record.

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Originally Posted by Credendovidis

And your posts are becoming dumber and dumber ....
Note that I do not "reppeat" myself. I do not even repeat myself.
You ran out of sane comments already a long time ago.
Now you seem to have run out of any argumentation also, sassyT !!!

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what argument??..lol all i am waiting for is evidence for your BELIEFS. I am getting tired of waiting. You havent given any O.S.E for your beliefs.

Your own lacking "arguments" for almost all your posts on this board, sassyT.

And note that I told you already umpteen times that I do not have religious beliefs. And also that one can not BELIEVE in science. One can accept or reject the scientific objective supporting evidence. Believe you can only in subjects that have no objective support at all, like religious based subjects.

But as before - so nothing new - you refuse to accept that, and babble further about belief in scientific subjects...
How sad that someone who claims to have a degree in Biology (a scientific subject) does not understand the basics on how science operates, and still expects ever to obtain a higher degree...

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Originally Posted by Credendovidis

I see sassyT just tries to re-write what she posted herself ....

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Your own lacking "arguments" for almost all your posts on this board, sassyT.

And note that I told you already umpteen times that I do not have religious beliefs. And also that one can not BELIEVE in science. One can accept or reject the scientific objective supporting evidence. Believe you can only in subjects that have no objective support at all, like religious based subjects.

But as before - so nothing new - you refuse to accept that, and babble further about belief in scientific subjects ....
How sad that someone who claims to have a degree in Biology (a scientific subject) does not understand the basics on how science operates, and still expects ever to obtain a higher degree .....

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Again a Big Bang that created the Universe is not Science, niether is a mythical one creature that crawls out of a soup and morphs into every living thing we see today. :)

Sassy you can not believe IN science you can believe science though and Cred does not even comprehend that
So why not make it easier and use his terminology rather than going round and round and round and round on a simple yet complex word that you two can not even come to terms on?

He also has told you many times he does not XbelieveX accept the big bang either. As long as you insist that IS what he believes you are not going to get anywhere either so...
Your wasting your typing fingers.

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Originally Posted by N0help4u

He also has told you many times he does not XbelieveX accept the big bang either. .

He insists he does not believe or accept the Big Bang, but if anyone says anything contrary to the BB theory he starts to freak out and get all defensive about it. So I have a hard time believing he does not believe in the Big Bang.
However, if he does in fact not believe in the Big Bang he needs to tell us how he figures the universe came into existence.
He is just quick to lable other people's opinions and ideas as "beliefs", but he forgets his opinion on origins is also a belief.. because no one has yet been able to prove origin of the universe.
So we are all in the same boat. We all have different Beliefs about how the Universe came into being. Credo just needs to come to terms with this reality and I am willing to do what ever it takes to help him accept this Fact.

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Originally Posted by sassyT

Again a Big Bang that created the Universe is not Science, niether is a mythical one creature that crawls out of a soup and morphs into every living thing we see today.

The "Big Bang" is a scientific thesis on the origin of the universe, and is supported by cross-supporting evidence from various fields. What we do not know is WHY it happened. But there is a good insight as to WHAT happened and WHEN.
And once more : there never was an explosion. That is just suggested by the popular name. The Big Bang was a short but extremely fast expansion of space-time about 14 Billion years ago.

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He insists he does not believe or accept the Big Bang, but if anyone says anything contrary to the BB theory he starts to freak out and get all defensive about it.

I accept the scientific findings that lead to the conclusion that there was a BB (see above for the description). And NO I do not freak out to anyone who likes to propose a scientific based alternative to the BB : feel free to do so. But do not try to propose a religious based belief claim as argument. I do object to hot air arguments.
You have been asked many times before to provide proper arguments, but so far you failed to provide any.

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Originally Posted by sassyT

However, if he does infact not believe in the Big Bang he needs to tell us how he figures the universe came into existance.

The thesis is open and free to see on thousands of websites and books. I have provided you with that information many times before. That you prefer your wild religious claims is not my problem.

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He is just quick to lable other people's opinions and ideas as "beliefs", but he forgets his opinion on origins is also a belief ... because no one has yet been able to prove origin of the universe.

Correct : nobody can prove that. There is no proof what-so-ever for the religious claim of creation. There is however a lot of objective supporting evidence for the basics of the BB thesis.

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Originally Posted by sassyT

We all have different Beliefs about how the Universe came into being. Credo just needs to come to terms with this reality and i am willing to do what ever it takes to help him accept this Fact.

Not correct : not a fact ! You have your belief. I have science at my side. Not the same thing.

And once more : you may BELIEVE whatever you like. But that you BELIEVE that does not make it a reality nor factual!!

:rolleyes:

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I have just looked up your supposed contradictions, they are not there, perhaps you should read the bible before you go quoting this nonsense.

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Originally Posted by Peter Wilson

I have just looked up your supposed contradictions, they are not there, perhaps you should read the bible before you go quoting this nonsense.

Please be more precise : which and who's supposed contradictions?

:rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Credendovidis

I accept the scientific findings that lead to the conclusion that there was a BB (see above for the description). There is however a lot of objective supporting evidence for the basics of the BB thesis.
Not correct : not a fact ! You have your belief. I have science at my side. Not the same thing.

And once more : you may BELIEVE whatever you like. But that you BELIEVE that does not make it a reality nor factual !!!

:rolleyes:

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Now HOW many times have you claimed that you do not go by the big bang theory?
:rolleyes:

Credo,I'm sorry, I meant to put your name on the post, next time I will be more specific, Cheers.:)

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Originally Posted by N0help4u

Now HOW many times have you claimed that you do not go by the big bang theory??

Too many, because she won't accept that answer...

:)

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Originally Posted by Peter Wilson

I have just looked up your supposed contradictions, they are not there, perhaps you should read the bible before you go quoting this nonsense.

Please be more precise : which supposed contradictions?

:rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Credendovidis

The "Big Bang" is a scientific thesis on the origin of the universe, and is supported by cross-supporting evidence from various fields. What we do not know is WHY it happened. But there is a good insight as to WHAT[/B] happened and WHEN.I accept the scientific findings that lead to the conclusion that there was a BB (see above for the description).

I don't care how much so called "evidence" you claim there is, the bottom line is, it has NOT been proven factual. That so called evidence has been scientifically refuted many times. So it is just a theory based on conjectures.. and refutable "evidence". So you believe that is what happened because you have FAITH in unproven theories.

Originally Posted by Credendovidis
I accept the scientific findings that lead to the conclusion that there was a BB (see above for the description). There is however a lot of objective supporting evidence for the basics of the BB thesis.
Not correct : not a fact ! You have your belief. I have science at my side. Not the same thing.

And once more : you may BELIEVE whatever you like. But that you BELIEVE that does not make it a reality nor factual!!

My point was that you seem to contradict yourself by now stating that you accept the BB theory. Maybe you mean as one of different theories but looks like a contradiction here.
:rolleyes: :confused:

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Originally Posted by Credendovidis
I accept (aka Believe) the scientific findings that lead to the conclusion that there was a BB (see above for the description). There is however a lot of objective supporting evidence for the basics of the BB thesis.
Not correct : not a fact ! You have your belief. I have science at my side. Not the same thing. ????
And once more : you may BELIEVE whatever you like. But that you BELIEVE that does not make it a reality nor factual!!

It is the same thing... lol
Religious claims on origins have not been proven
Big bang claims on origins have not been proven

So we are all in the same boat. Niether side can prove their claims as factual. So those who subscribe to either one, believe. I know it is hard for you to come to terms with this reality (why, I don't know) however I am going to remind you of this fact until you accept it. (even if it is never I will remind you anyway ;) )

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Originally Posted by N0help4u

My point was that you seem to contradict yourself by now stating that you accept the BB theory. Maybe you mean as one of different theories but looks like a contradiction here.

I know he just confuses me :confused:

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Originally Posted by Credendovidis

I accept the scientific findings that lead to the conclusion that there was a BB (see above for the description).

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Originally Posted by sassyT

I accept (aka Believe) the scientific findings that lead to the conclusion that there was a BB (see above for the description)
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It is the same thing ... Religious claims on origins have not been proven. Big bang claims on origins have not been proven.

With the "aka Believe" remark you deliberately inserted in your "QUOTE" of my post , you show that you can not be trusted... You may claim whatever you like, but if you change and/or add-on to quotations, you confirm my opinion stated already several times on this board that you are a very unreliable discussion party. Someone who better be shunned... Not for her message, but for her unacceptable and unworthy behavior... Earlier it was lying about your degree, and now you are changing quotations... What next ?

Besides that : religious claims CAN NOT and NEVER WILL be proved !
The BB scientific thesis carries already for a major part objective supporting evidence, even including cross-evidence from various different fields.

So "we" are NOT on equal par ! Only those who subscribe to wild unsupported subjective claims believe!!
And the only one who can not come to terms with this reality is you!!

:rolleyes:

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With the "aka Believe" remark you deliberately inserted in your "QUOTE" of my post , you show that you can not be trusted .... You may claim whatever you like, but if you change and/or add-on to quotations, you confirm my opinion stated already several times on this board that you are a very unreliable discussion party. Someone who better be shunned .... Not for her message, but for her unacceptable and unworthy behavior .... Earlier it was lying about your degree, and now you are changing quotations ..... What next ?

Besides that : religious claims CAN NOT and NEVER WILL be proved !
The BB scientific thesis carries already for a major part objective supporting evidence, even including cross-evidence from various different fields.

So "we" are NOT on equal par ! Only those who subscribe to wild unsupported subjective claims believe !!!
And the only one who can not come to terms with this reality is you !!!

:rolleyes:

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Credo like I said in the other thred, my work with you is done. You have already admitted to having BELIEFS so case is closed. I am not going to argue with you anymore ;)

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Credo like i said in the other thred, my work with you is done. You have already admitted to having BELIEFS so case is closed. I am not going to argue with you anymore

I have NEVER denied that I have beliefs. But religious beliefs are not one of these...

All you do is suggesting you "won" some kind of "match". Only problem with that is that there never was such a match!!

:D :D :D :D :D

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Originally Posted by Credendovidis

I have NEVER denied that I have beliefs. But religious beliefs are not one of these ....

All you do is suggesting you "won" some kind of "match". Only problem with that is that there never was such a match !!!

LOL I had to explain to you HOW many times that there is a difference in believing something as accepting and Believe IN and you still insisted you have no beliefs but you do accept
So where do you get that you have NEVER denied that I have beliefs. But religious beliefs are not one of these... distinction?? :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/religi...ml#post1148394 post #16 on...

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Originally Posted by Credendovidis

I have NEVER denied that I have beliefs. But religious beliefs are not one of these ....

All you do is suggesting you "won" some kind of "match". Only problem with that is that there never was such a match !!!

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Like I said before Credo, My work here is done... My only goal in going after you on these threads was to have you confess in writing that you do indeed have BELIEFS. And you have done that, so apparently you are just like everyone else, YOU HAVE BELIEFS.

SO now I hope you can stop harassing people and making condescending remarks about people having "beliefs" because as you confessed yourself, you have beliefs too. So there is nothing special about you. We are all in the same boat buddy. ;) We all have beliefs, and there is nothing about your beliefs that make them better than mine or anyone else's.
I am glad you have come out of the closet because it was starting to get ridiculous. :rolleyes:

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...so where do you get that you have NEVER denied ....

Thanks for this link : I repost it once more.

Religious Discussions » "Evolution" or "Origin of the Universe" and religion post 1148394 #16

There is NOTHING in #16 about any other belief than religious.
I have never stated that I have no beliefs : For instance I believe that Obama will be a much more interesting US President than Bush ever was. And I believe that Barcelona is a better soccer team than Real Madrid. I have no proof for either statement, still I believe that.

But I do not believe in religious wild claims. And there is nothing else supporting religion than wild unsupported claims. That is not what I believe, but that is a conclusion from the lack of any objective support for religious claims, and the sidestepping by active theists when called for objective support , EVEN when their bluff is called ! Like Tj3 and sassyT!!

:D :D :D :D :D

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I said #16 and on -meaning your posts and mine on the subject -->#16 ON
I specified I was not referring to religion and that I was referring to ANYTHING you believe and that it did not mean you believe IN whatever you believe but that you believe whatever as in accept. You still repeatedly denied that you have belief.

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One does not BELIEVE in science and it's findings. One accepts the scientific findings based on the objective supporting evidence on which these findings are based. So I say exactly the same as these "others".

I again made the distinction of believe/accept vs believe in as religion

And you denied it all the way through the thread.

I again

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I specified I was not referring to religion and that I was referring to ANYTHING you believe and that it did not mean you believe IN whatever you believe but that you believe whatever as in accept. You still repeatedly denied that you have belief.

No. I did not. Your quotation does not state that. Nor did any of my other statements.
Why don't you PROVE that claim by posting a quote as to where I have ever stated not to believe at all ? All my statements to not believing always referred to religion, directly or indirectly. And THAT I have stated repeatedly and clearly.

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You replied: One does not BELIEVE in science and it's findings. One accepts the scientific findings based on the objective supporting evidence on which these findings are based. So I say exactly the same as these "others".

WHERE in any of my statements did I explicitly state that I do not believe?
Repeatedly I have stated not to believe along religious lines, but never that I do not believe at all. That is perhaps one of your own silly conclusions.

:rolleyes:

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Like i said before Credo, My work here is done... My only goal in going after you on these threads was to have you confess in writing that you do indeed have BELIEFS. And you have done that, so apparently you are just like everyone else, YOU HAVE BELIEFS.

SO now i hope you can stop harassing people and making condescending remarks about people having "beliefs" because as you confessed yourself, you have beliefs too. So there is nothing special about you. We are all in the same boat buddy. ;) We all have beliefs, and there is nothing about your beliefs that make them better than mine or anyone else's.
I am glad you have come out of the closet because it was starting to get ridiculous. :rolleyes:

Many people do not wish to acknowledge that evolution cannot be validated by the evidence, and is therefore a faith.

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Many people do not wish to acknowledge that evolution cannot be validated by the evidence, and is therefore a faith.

Fortunately there is for the case of evolution ample support covering the great majority of all issues involving the theory. Only creationists are so far restricted in their own religious non-objective supported wild claims, that they can not bring themselves to accept that...

:D :rolleyes: :p ;) :D

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Fortunately there is for the case of evolution ample support covering the great majority of all issues involving the theory. Only creationists are so far restricted in their own religious non-objective supported wild claims, that they can not bring themselves to accept that ...

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Yes Credo we all know there is ample supported evidence for MICRO evolution of which Creation Scientists do not deny because it is an irrefutable fact. However there is NO , not even one piece, of evidence to support MACRO evolution which claims a mythical one cell creature which crawled out of soup is the mother of all living things. Meaning humans, fruit flies, carots, apples, grapes, hipos Girafes, corn, mice, palm trees, grass hoppers etc.. Are all cousins because we all share a common ancestor. There is no evidence that this is true. So it is by faith that people like you believe in Macro evolution. Unless you are willing to show me evidence that this pond and amoeba is the origin of all life on earth. Please feel free to provide evidence. ;)

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Many people do not wish to acknowledge that evolution cannot be validated by the evidence, and is therefore a faith.

That right.

IF you have never stated that you have no beliefs it is because you jumped around the issue with your evasive tactics and your word games and have NEVER came out and said that you believe anything.

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Originally Posted by Credendovidis

Fortunately there is for the case of evolution ample support covering the great majority of all issues involving the theory. Only creationists are so far restricted in their own religious non-objective supported wild claims, that they can not bring themselves to accept that ...

:D :rolleyes: :p ;) :D

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Odd - I have asked you many times in the past to provide the evidence that you claim exists, and every time you have ignored the request.

Are you now ready to post evidence of evolution? What is the strongest piece of evidence - post it here and let's have a look.

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Odd - I have asked you many times in the past to provide the evidence that you claim exists, and each and every time you have ignored the request.

Are you now ready to post evidence of evolution? What is the strongest piece of evidence - post it here and let's have a look.

Tjs3
He even did a post to cover that and then he turned it into just another battle of words without really answering.
https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/religi...on-236939.html

What If We All Just Agreed To Be Loving And Kind, Would It Matter If We Agree On What We Believe??

Christianity and Islam are both *political movements* and both are engaged in evil pursuits in the name of their god.

Decent people have to resist these two groups.

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Christianity and Islam are both *political movements* and both are engaged in evil pursuits in the name of their god.

Decent people have to resist these two groups.

Well then,count me as a not"decent" person because I believe in my beliefs and believe them to be true. I embrace my faith with all my heart and being.

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Christianity and Islam are both *political movements* and both are engaged in evil pursuits in the name of their god.

Decent people have to resist these two groups.

This is your subjective opinion, not fact.
So you are entitle to your own opinion.

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Odd - I have asked you many times in the past to provide the evidence that you claim exists, and each and every time you have ignored the request.

And I have asked you over the last ten years many times to provide me with that list you by now claimed to have provided over 20 times : that list you suggest to contain objective proof for the Christian basics : the existence of God, and for God being the Creator !
(All you ever posted was a lame list of subjective supported religious claims ! )

Once you really have provided the list you CLAIM you can provide, I will - with pleasure - provide the list you asked me to supply...

:D :rolleyes: :p ;) :D

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And I have asked you over the last ten years many times to provide me with that list you by now claimed to have provided over 20 times :

First, I never said anything about a list. I pointed out to you that you response to scientific evidence presented is always to deny that you have seen it, even when it is posted 20 times. Read more carefully!

If you would not admit seeing posts with scientific evidence, and iof you insist that magnetic compasses point East-West, then tell me why I should expect that you have changed?

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Originally Posted by Credendovidis

Another sidestep, Toms777 ! And you know that. You also know that you claimed - even on this board - to have posted 20+ times (somewhere else) a list with objective supported evidence for several religious dogma's.

Really, John? What list is this?

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Another lie for "the Lord", Tom Smith? Rather hypocrite to do so in your "spreading the word" activity...
And rather dumb from you to do so. After all these years I know you, so I kept a copy of my original words : very, very handy to show others your standard tricks...

Back into false accusations, John? I did not lie John. The question was whether a compas would point to North America from Israel, and you argued that it would. This has nothing to do with true vs magnetic north.

Since the rest of your post is just abusive, there is no need to respond further.

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