You study the Scriptures? I'm surprised. I'm glad as well. If that is true, the Scriptures will lead you to Christ.Quote:
Originally Posted by ordinaryguy
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You study the Scriptures? I'm surprised. I'm glad as well. If that is true, the Scriptures will lead you to Christ.Quote:
Originally Posted by ordinaryguy
DeMaria,Quote:
Originally Posted by De Maria
I just can't go into things at the moment. I am so emotionally tired. Not so much from particapting in the different threads, but each day I leave my home, life just chips at my heart over and over and I am so very tired.
I am looking forward, so very much, to the weekend, being with my husband who loves me and being around people who love me.
I am sorry that this isn't much of a response back, but I am unfortunately the unhealthy over sensitive type ( again, nothing here on the sight, but life and all that gets aimed at me in the course of the day)
My heart is just broken, and it is heavy and cries, keep me in your prayers, and I will you and all others too.
I will heal, I just need to be around those that do love me and keep my heart safe.
May God bless and keep you,
Allheart.
May God bless you as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Allheart
Sincerely,
De Maria
That doesn't surprise me.Quote:
Originally Posted by De Maria
We've been on a first-name basis for years.Quote:
Originally Posted by De Maria
And I challenge that anyone who is not a Christian can't honestly even address and answer the question, since the question is "what makes somewhere a mature Christian, the question is not is there or is there not mature christians, the question is not is there really christianity, so anyone that does not merely list ways to be a mature christian is not addressing the question as stated but are in reality perhaps highjacking the thread for their own purpose perhaps.
So yes Credendovidis is correct, all posts should address the actual question as posted
That is kind of the point too, we all die eventually, the question is where will we be for eternity. If one does not believe in God and the saving grace of Jesus Christ, I know, they will not enjoy their life after death. Death is not the end, it's only the beginning.Quote:
Originally Posted by ordinaryguy
Faith is knowing that what I belive is true. What you believe is up to you. If you don't believe in God, why do you fight against Him so much and those that do believe?
Personally if I don't believe something, I do not feel the need to debate it. I don't understand so many people who say God does not exist, and yet they feel obsessed with debating His existance. Can you explain that?:cool:
For example, I don't believe two headed monsters exist...so if someone else does, I simply smile and ignore it.
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(I don't know how this happened, I was answering a different question and it showed up here.)
Can anybody give advice on what makes you a mature Christian?
A mature Christian walks in love. God is love, love is God. To love God and to love our neighbors as well as our enemies is a command. It is also the best way to grow as a Christian.
Reading the Word, spending time with God, praise and worship are great, but if after we have done all that, then go to the grocery store and are rude to the clerk, or don't put out cart back, or... you get the point, then all the other was lip service. Our service to God is to show His love to others by being an example. Love on purpose. Do what is right even when no one is looking. Faith without works is dead... the works as Christians are to love others as ourselves. That is a tall order and only comes with practice and more practice.
Self control is one of the fruit of the spirit given to us when we got saved, along with love, joy, peace, faith, meekness, gentleness... but those don't activate themselves, we have to submit to them. Fruit has to be tended to in order for it to grow and mature. God has given us all we need to grow into the image of Christ. It's a matter of making good choices.
Emotions are just that, they come and go, but disciplining ourselves to 'walk in love' will cause us to be more like Jesus and that is what a mature Christian is... like Jesus, who went about doing good and healing all where oppressed of the devil. Not just sick folk, oppression comes in many forms.
Even something as simple as smiling at someone who is having a bad day.
Tsila77 - Welcome to the site.Quote:
Originally Posted by tsila1777
I agree, love, embrace all that you wrote and believe. It touched my heart, made me smile and gave me great peace.
Thank you.
Love is the greatest gift. To love others is Gods purpose in our lives and is the greatest gift we have been given by God, and he does not want us to keep it for ourselves but to be an endless supply to others.
The love of being a parent, child, spouse, friend. It is endless what can be done in the world. Excellent thoughts on what it means to be a mature Christian, and thinking about it more, I think that is the best aspect. I also agree with Tsila77.
Take care everyone, and hope all is well with you all. All my American friends hope you have had an awesome celebration and enjoy your long weekend.
Joe
Joe, you have a beautiful heart, you are a beautiful man, and I am truly blessed to know you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jesushelper76
May God continue to watch over you and your precious loved ones.
Allheart
It should be hard to tell, since I haven't really said, at least not in this thread. The truth is, I believe some things and not others, so you're partially correct in inferring that I don't.Quote:
Originally Posted by tsila1777
One of the things I don't believe is that God is responsible and to be praised for all the miraculous good fortune that comes our way, but that it's Satan, or our own sin, or the sin of the world, or the sin of Adam, or some other non-God force that's responsible for any sickness, accident, or tragedy that befalls us. If absolutely everything doesn't come from God, then nothing does, is how I see it.
Well, see, for me, that is EMPHATICALLY NOT the question. For me, the important question is, "How will the beliefs and attitudes that I choose affect my most important relationships and the way I live this earthly life before the death of my physical body?" I figure if I can get that right, I can be content, in spite of not knowing what comes next. That's what I call faith.Quote:
Originally Posted by tsila1777
With all due respect, what you "know" about the afterlife is based on exactly the same evidence that is available to the rest of us, so what you believe is true for you, and those who agree with you--nobody else.Quote:
Originally Posted by tsila1777
Yes, we're all alike in that way.Quote:
What you believe is up to you.
I haven't said that I don't believe in God, but it is probably true that I don't believe in exactly the same God you do. Still, I don't see what we're doing here as fighting, do you?Quote:
If you don't believe in God, why do you fight against Him so much and those that do believe?
Since I'm not one of them, no.Quote:
I don't understand so many people who say God does not exist, and yet they feel obsessed with debating His existence. Can you explain that?
In that case I suggest this question to be transferred to the Christianity board.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fr_Chuck
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Have you actually met these "majority of believers who "do what has to be done", prefer to pick the cherries out of the bowl of life, and cut corners where ever possible" that you speak of so boldly? And so indecipherable?Quote:
Originally Posted by Credendovidis
Many of them. There seems even to be an entire colony of them here on this board !Quote:
Originally Posted by tsila1777
:D
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Originally Posted by Credendovidis
Yes correct wording seems to be :D
What an extremely retarded reaction ! That is why I precisely choose these words... I know how to express myself correctly, unlike so many theists who do not know the different between what they BELIEVE and what is REAL !Quote:
Originally Posted by N0help4u
:rolleyes:
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And I was agreeing with you... so what is the problem??
Don't lie. You were not.Quote:
Originally Posted by N0help4u
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Many of them. There seems even to be an entire colony of them here on this board
Yes correct wording seems to be
I agreed that to you there seems to be
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Originally Posted by Credendovidis
It could be lack of faith, God does nothing except by faith. He is a faith God, without faith it is impossible to please God. So instead of being angry with Him, perhaps you should humble yourself like a little child and ask, believing you receive when you pray, and He will restore. If you had faith the size of a mustard seed, He would do it.
One way to prove me wrong is to try it, if you really want to prove me wrong... let me know what happens.
That is just what you BELIEVE. Can you prove that to be so? No, is it not. At least not without more BELIEF !Quote:
Originally Posted by tsila1777
Angry? It has nothing to do with being angry. Not even on a so far never-proved-to-exist deity.Quote:
Originally Posted by tsila1777
I just state that so far no amputated human limb has ever regrown into a full new limb. But if you have any information on where that did happen , please post it here.
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Cred... this thread is about what makes one a mature christian. If you are not going/able to give an example of that then maybe you should not be responding on this question.
You do not seem to go by the same rules that you request of others on the threads that you start. Silly man.
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Originally Posted by bushg
N0help4u agrees: I second that!!
Greenie: :D
"That is just what you BELIEVE. Can you prove that to be so? No, is it not. At least not without more BELIEF !"
What she asks totally confused...
Yes, I can give you names, dates and places... I have seen with my own eyes miracles of restoration, healings, and many other miracles, but to tell you about them here would be a waste of my time and energy; a waste of space.
But for the one who asked about faith:
There is documented proof of people being raised from the dead.
My sister was given 6 months to live, that was 3 years ago, she is cancer free and it was by faith. She has given her testimony on tape to many and it has increased their faith to believe for their own healing. Because Faith comes by hearing and hearing by the Word of God.
I believed before I saw, therefore I am blessed, but since I have believed I have seen many things to confirm my faith... so many things... that could ONLY have been God.
Can one document a coincidence? I don't think so.
Skeptics just say that only proved you had power of positive thinking within your own self and nothing to do with proving God.Quote:
Originally Posted by tsila1777
Fortunately, skeptics matter so little to me, I scarcely notice them. If they saw for themselves a leg grow back from a stub, or a man raised from the dead, they still would not believe. It was the same in the time that Jesus walked the earth and did many signs and wonders, it will always be that way until He returns and then there will be no skeptics left. I can wait.
Ain't that the honest to God's truth!!Quote:
Originally Posted by tsila1777
Amen!!
In other words : actually you can not provide the evidence I asked you !Quote:
Originally Posted by tsila1777
That still does not support the religious wild claims !Quote:
Originally Posted by tsila1777
Can you prove your wild claims? I don't think so.Quote:
Originally Posted by tsila1777
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"How will the beliefs and attitudes that I choose affect my most important relationships and the way I live this earthly life before the death of my physical body?" I figure if I can get that right, I can be content, in spite of not knowing what comes next. That's what I call faith.
That's not faith dude, that's hiding your head in the sand.
With all due respect, what you "know" about the afterlife is based on exactly the same evidence that is available to the rest of us, so what you believe is true for you, and those who agree with you--nobody else.
Well, if I'm wrong, no harm done. But if you are wrong, there will be no mercy for your soul and you will be in Hell forever. :eek: Isn't it worth a second thought? I mean, just in case...................
I completely agree here and it was said on so many pages before. Sticking to the topic but rarely it ever happens. Especially on this thread because somebody is always to busy arguing.Quote:
Originally Posted by bushg
Also would like to add that the wording used by one of the members, the wording retarded response, that was uncalled for.
Can you give a responsive and respectful answer to the question, "What makes you a mature Christian?" I don't think so.Quote:
Originally Posted by Credendovidis
[quote=Credendovidis]In other words : actually you can not provide the evidence I asked you !
In other words you are not worth wasting my time on....
That still does not support the religious wild claims !
No? Are you really that nescient, or are you just ridiculous? I never tried to support religious claims anyway...I support relationship, and the power of God Who is LOVE.
Can you prove your wild claims? I don't think so.
I don't have to prove anything...I just have to wait, and you'll see. :eek:
That is YOUR conclusion. Why do you try to put words into my mouth?Quote:
Originally Posted by tsila1777
The problem with that is that you seem to demand from others that what you BELIEVE is the one and only truth. See the first part of my signature : you are a prime candidate to follow that suggestion !Quote:
Originally Posted by tsila1777
As to that "wait and see" : I am already decades beyond that type of nonsensical "Pascal's wager" remarks.
:rolleyes:
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Want to hear another cool story? My mailbox was on it's last legs. I was going to replace it, but the bolt holding it on was rusted. I would need two wrenches and a can of WD40 to get it loose, so I put it off. Then the guy across the street (mailbox is across the road) decided to cut the edge of his field so he could harvest his corn. He was using a sicklebar mower but went out of his way to hit my mailbox with it (box is about 3 1/2 feet above road, grass is 10 to 12 inches, ergo he needed to raise the mower to hit it.) So when I went back later my mailbox was neatly removed with no effort on my part and I put up the new one. Now here's the really cool part:The broken mailbox was shredded and landed in HIS field, where it went on to break the expensive blades on his combine, but enough shredded mailbox survived that to venture on to the feed mill where it clogged up the machinery and the mill where he sold his grain caught on fire and burned. Kind of an expensive act could easily all been avoided. Does anyone else see the hand of God? You go out of your way to mess with someone who's not bothering you, and the Creator smacks you one.
Originally Posted by tsila1777 In other words you are not worth wasting my time on...
That is YOUR conclusion. Why do you try to put words into my mouth?
What in heck does this question have to do with the comment?. it has NOTHING to do with the comment. And YES that is my conclusion. And even though it is so idiotic, I'll answer your stupid question:
Because you don't seem to be able to put any intelligent words in your mouth for yourself. So there!
As for the wait and you'll see... that still stands... you can't be past it, because it has not happened yet. Duh!
Yeah I was wondering how you not wasting your time is putting words in Cred's mouth:confused:
I agree with you - and even underline - that it has not happened yet. I even think that it never will happen. That is what you get when you believe in mythical entities and deities for which no objective supporting evidence has ever been provided : you believe in such an entity for year, hand-over the vicar or priest a lot of money, but when you die, you - just like I - will fall asleep without ever to awake again.Quote:
Originally Posted by tsila1777
No heaven , no hell , no "God", nothing. Well... : nobody has ever been able to prove that any of these really exist !
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All I see is human carelessness that resulted in tragedy. The fact that you see the result as God smacking him one says a lot about your concept of God, but not much about God. I don't think a mature Christian would assume that he went out of his way to mess with you by hitting your mailbox on purpose.Quote:
Originally Posted by wildandblue
Well you have not lived next door to him for 25 years either. Him firing bullets off a street sign in the front yard while you are mowing your lawn there is one example, also he sees no need to use a manure spreader, just opens up the drain on his manure lagoon and lets the thousands of gallons spill into the stream flowing through our horse pasture out front. And like I said, it's a little hard to knock the TOP off a mailbox if you are mowing 10 to twelve inch weeds on the ground.
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