Donna,

I'm not implying it I'm saying it. And I'm talking about people who are really saved.. not people who have head knowledge. There is a diffence. I have willy nilly sinned and never lost my salvation. BUT I just couldn't stay in THAT sin because I was miserable... ALSO... I lived the consequencnes too. We never get away with anything...

You bring up an interesting point. Jesus does say to many in that day who claim to have done many wonderful works in his name... "depart from me you workers of inquity... i never knew you." Never means... he NEVER knew them. Not once upon a time they were close but then they strayed too far...

I also love that the Lord promises us he will NEVER leave us for forsake us. NEVER means that.

But this argument will continue until he returns. I don't think Christians will ever agree on it. I've settled in my heart that his blood cleansed me from ALL of my sin.

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I also love that the Lord promises us he will NEVER leave us for forsake us. NEVER means that.

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But we can leave Him.

WG,

De ja vue... think we have been around this mountain before...



The PROMISE.. if I read correctly is... HE will never leave me... there is NO condition.

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the PROMISE..if I read correctly is... HE will never leave me....there is NO condition.

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Right. But I can push Him away.

K. But what of HIS promise.?

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K. But what of HIS promise.???

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I said I agree; He is there waiting. But we have free will and can say no, or, if we had said yes, can change our mind and say no. God gave us free will at any time during our walk in this life. He's not going to force us to say yes or to be with Him when we don't want to be.

My husband just left for what he calls a wonderful camping trip to Utah. He goes there twice a year. I used to go, had always said yes, but my interests have changed, and I don't really care about camping in Utah any longer. He is sad that I have said no but won't force me to go.

The same with God and us. He offers us a wonderful thing called salvation -- even better than Utah. Some have experienced he joy that it brings, but their interests have changed, and they don't really care about salvation any longer. God is sad that they have said no but won't force them to be saved.

God didn't change; people changed and decided "Thanks, but no thanks." God won't drag them kicking and screaming to -- or back to -- salvation; it's a free gift that they can refuse.

So... did your hubby divorce you? Did he kick you out of the house? I didn't think so. :)