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Originally Posted by xxariesxx

Yes you do have to believe in your culture to follow it.

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But once again, you see your culture - that is not a matter of faith.

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Yes you do have to be of a specific culture to be a Christian.

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Christianity exists in many different cultures around the world, and exhibits itself in many different ways, but always with one and the same faith. In the Bible we see expressions of Christianity within the Jewish culture and today in the Western world, we see a much different expression, but the very same beliefs and faith.

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Originally Posted by classyT

Cred,

Got to call you out on this one..if you are living by the "golden rule" then you could have fooled me. You had never had a conversation with me before but one of your first comments to me was rude and judgemental...and all because I called myself a Christian. TSK TSK.....

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... So you herewith ADMIT you are one and the same as sassyT... something you denied earlier... I call that deliberate deception...

No dear : it was you with your sharp tongue (tone) who provoked me to react the way I did : stating that you were posting "steer-dung".

And I remember very well that this started you on your way to your infamous lies about your educational level (having a degree in biology) - which you had to redraw later on...

I have always used the golden rule towards other peoples religious beliefs.
Towards their beliefs. Not towards their ridiculous and unsupported additional claims that what they BELIEVE has any validity towards reality.

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Originally Posted by Credendovidis

... So you herewith ADMIT you are one and the same as sassyT... something you denied earlier... I call that deliberate deception...

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This comment proved exactly what she said about your behaviour, Cred.

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No dear : it was you with your sharp tongue (tone) who provoked me to react the way I did : stating that you were posting "steer-dung".

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It seems that every single Christian must, as you say "provoke" you. Indeed it seems that simply existing and daring to disagree with you, or express our Christian faith "provokes" you, which usually results in your making abusive comments about those who dare to disagree with you, such as:

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And I remember very well that this started you on your way to your infamous lies about your educational level (having a degree in biology) - which you had to redraw later on...

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I have always used the golden rule towards other peoples religious beliefs.

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Except your golden rule seems to be:
"Do unto others BEFORE they do unto you". :p

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Originally Posted by Tj3

The Golden Rule comes from the Bible, and it is nto and certainly never has been a standard by which atheists live, and you pointed out an excellent example.

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Total nonsense!!

The golden rules was wellknown long before the first letter was ever started on the first bible chapter.
The golden rule is NOT some form of property of Christianity.
Atheists have - just as all other people - used the golden rule to live a proper , prosperous, and safe live.
What Atheists did not was - unlike christians - abuse the golden rule for their own religious delusions.

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Originally Posted by Credendovidis

Total nonsense!!

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Starting with the usual comment.

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The golden rules was wellknown long before the first letter was ever started on the first bible chapter.

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It was known in ancient Israel in the law given to the Jews by God:

Lev 19:18
18 You shall not take vengeance, nor bear any grudge against the children of your people, but you shall love your neighbor as yourself: I am the LORD.
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But if course you know that Jesus was and is the Jewish Messiah who Christians follow as Lord.

Now, Cred, tell us really, what is the standard that atheists follow?

I doubt there is a Santa Claus living at the North Pole, with elves and Mrs. Claus.
Is my lack of belief a belief or faith?

I admire Gromitt's post. I try to live ethically. In my youth, I did so because that was the way I was raised. As I get older, I feel increasingly that it is something I choose to try to do, no matter how often I fail. I Believe that this is the right thing to do. I cannot prove it is right. I feel that my values are essentially christian, so it always seems odd that a few christians condemn me not for my behavior or values but for a failure to pay homage to something that is invisible to me, and, from my perspective, non existent. God had not revealed Himself to me.

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As ever degenerated into mud slinging.